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  • Asher1_1Asher1_1 Member Posts: 1,141 ★★★
    edited March 10

    So ??
    - BG will get updated probably after 9.2(april)
    - Youtubers cried so what ? They cry or complain most times than complain
    - serpent didn't got a slight nerf else with so many counter he will a potato now

    - a whale says he would stop spending so what ?if a customer says they would stop spending will u call a meeting as 1 person out of 100k active player ?? Yeah he spends a lot but that's dumb

    - u want to get better reward for better AQ or nightmares raids expecting better reward at same level LOL

    -plat track hold way better value it's just that u get used to it & now u want even more better reward.

    - even many who are not happy they are chilling in Mysterium + Celestial . What are u whining about ??

    Main pain is all the whinning but
    - ""Nobody , not even the Youtubers ever talk about balance of the game so the game would last longer.""

    They just want better better reward everytime fast.
  • Gentsy12Gentsy12 Member Posts: 201 ★★★

    PT_99 said:

    CrashOut said:

    I don't quite get why everyone is just coming here to argue?

    The fact is the rewards across the game are out dated, they're not being looked at often enough and the forum team aren't easing the player base.

    A simple post from Kabam giving a real response is all im hoping for, a guarantee to clean up forums, respond to major repeating issues properly with strong/direct response and a plan going forward to say they expect to update rewards every 3-6 months or something sort of time scale because right now

    BG rewards have no update in site

    EQ update will drop Valaint when the next title is released

    AQ updates are multi years down the line

    If nothing is going to change, that's fine I'll stop playing and maybe pick this back up in a year or maybe never I don't know. I just want to know how much more time I have to waste waiting for Kabam to catch up and will they ever keep up

    Nah don't worry about it, you're arguing with forum MEMEbers,
    Genuine concerned players are with you and anyone who calls out Kebem for their lack of updates.
    You'll notice I didn't argue about buffing rewards. I argued that there isn't a simple way to do as people think there is.

    I agree with the sentiment that buffing rewards isn’t the easiest thing to do and I think that’s where a lot of the frustration is coming from.

    Crashed’s banquet recap talked about how they started planning for 2024 banquet in 2022 and had major milestones over those two years. He also mentioned having a roadmap of horizontal and vertical progression for the entire 7* lifecycle and that both horizontal and vertical progression happened much quicker than planned which required adjustments to the roadmap. (Now alternatively, it could be that kabam has just been sitting on their hands with their ears plugged for months and decided we don’t care about certain game modes but I doubt that).

    As Kabam is a business they need to make money, which comes through sales. (This next statement is a hypothesis but would like to assume it’s somewhat educated based on my history in leading software organizations and driving growth) - as a result, I’m assuming the sales and content roadmaps (seasons of suffering, epoch, carinas, etc.) went largely unchanged with rewards updates in regular content (eq, sq, aq, bg) being the lever they pulled to recalibrate (i.e., slow down) the progression rate.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 23,370 ★★★★★

    Buttehrs said:

    PT_99 said:

    CrashOut said:

    I don't quite get why everyone is just coming here to argue?

    The fact is the rewards across the game are out dated, they're not being looked at often enough and the forum team aren't easing the player base.

    A simple post from Kabam giving a real response is all im hoping for, a guarantee to clean up forums, respond to major repeating issues properly with strong/direct response and a plan going forward to say they expect to update rewards every 3-6 months or something sort of time scale because right now

    BG rewards have no update in site

    EQ update will drop Valaint when the next title is released

    AQ updates are multi years down the line

    If nothing is going to change, that's fine I'll stop playing and maybe pick this back up in a year or maybe never I don't know. I just want to know how much more time I have to waste waiting for Kabam to catch up and will they ever keep up

    Nah don't worry about it, you're arguing with forum MEMEbers,
    Genuine concerned players are with you and anyone who calls out Kebem for their lack of updates.
    People are allowed to have a difference of opinion
    This sounds more of a self advice.
    And the purpose of this comment is what exactly? He's absolutely correct In this statement. Some of yall really do be commenting just to get another number on the forums. Ever remember the saying, if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all? Words to live by.
    No I don't have any personal vengeance or anything against anyone. And I literally don't care bout digital reactions, trust me, literally no one above 15 and has a life do care bout these reactions/forum points/whatever. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy. Demozy is one of those guys who consistently undermined the experiences, criticism and feelings of multiple(in the 100s) of players even when their feelings are kind of genuine. It's funny to see him saying "People are allowed to have a difference of opinion" Because afaik he mostly never entertained difference of opinions. Is he correct? Absolutely. Does he have to take his own advice? Yes imo.
    Go and look at my comments. I don't hide my profile. We can have debates. I'm all for debating problems and deficiencies in the game because there plenty.

    I argue against stuff that doesn't need to be said. Bad mouthing the mods, bad mouthing the company. Pointing out things that aren't true like how Kabam is a cash grab company etc.. but it's a never ending circle here. Reward bumps are never enough. They'll update them then they'll be out of date the next month. The community wants comments from mods that they don't have any updates on and then trash them for bad communication. We ask for road maps and then get mad because we don't understand what a road map is.
  • GrabmeMCOCGrabmeMCOC Member Posts: 202 ★★
    Ahhhh yes. Someone else that gets it. Don’t bother arguing with these forum rats mate. They just rinse and repeat kissing Kabams backside.

    The game is borderline unplayable. But not because of bugs, but because it’s pointless.

    Theres no benefit to progressing.

    90% of BG rewards are achievable with medium size account.

    90% of AW rewards are achievable just by participating.

    ALL story and event and Everest content is able to be 100% cleared with 6* and 7r2.

    There is simply no need to try

    It’s very very simple. Make the game harder, increase the difficulty, complexity and diversity requirements and buff the rewards.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 37,678 ★★★★★
    CrashOut said:

    Buttehrs said:

    PT_99 said:

    CrashOut said:

    I don't quite get why everyone is just coming here to argue?

    The fact is the rewards across the game are out dated, they're not being looked at often enough and the forum team aren't easing the player base.

    A simple post from Kabam giving a real response is all im hoping for, a guarantee to clean up forums, respond to major repeating issues properly with strong/direct response and a plan going forward to say they expect to update rewards every 3-6 months or something sort of time scale because right now

    BG rewards have no update in site

    EQ update will drop Valaint when the next title is released

    AQ updates are multi years down the line

    If nothing is going to change, that's fine I'll stop playing and maybe pick this back up in a year or maybe never I don't know. I just want to know how much more time I have to waste waiting for Kabam to catch up and will they ever keep up

    Nah don't worry about it, you're arguing with forum MEMEbers,
    Genuine concerned players are with you and anyone who calls out Kebem for their lack of updates.
    People are allowed to have a difference of opinion
    This sounds more of a self advice.
    And the purpose of this comment is what exactly? He's absolutely correct In this statement. Some of yall really do be commenting just to get another number on the forums. Ever remember the saying, if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all? Words to live by.
    No I don't have any personal vengeance or anything against anyone. And I literally don't care bout digital reactions, trust me, literally no one above 15 and has a life do care bout these reactions/forum points/whatever. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy. Demozy is one of those guys who consistently undermined the experiences, criticism and feelings of multiple(in the 100s) of players even when their feelings are kind of genuine. It's funny to see him saying "People are allowed to have a difference of opinion" Because afaik he mostly never entertained difference of opinions. Is he correct? Absolutely. Does he have to take his own advice? Yes imo.
    Go and look at my comments. I don't hide my profile. We can have debates. I'm all for debating problems and deficiencies in the game because there plenty.

    I argue against stuff that doesn't need to be said. Bad mouthing the mods, bad mouthing the company. Pointing out things that aren't true like how Kabam is a cash grab company etc.. but it's a never ending circle here. Reward bumps are never enough. They'll update them then they'll be out of date the next month. The community wants comments from mods that they don't have any updates on and then trash them for bad communication. We ask for road maps and then get mad because we don't understand what a road map is.
    So, the point you're trying to make is don't buff rewards because they'll just be out dated straight away either way, it's too much for a customer base to expect a genuine response from a business and you shouldn't put out a road map because you can't adhere to it?

    Sounds like a terribly run business, which Kabam is not at all, they're making a killing at what they do; just imagine if they actually kept the player base happy
    No, the point he's making is as much as they need to be revisited, people will still be asking for more. The expectations are seldom met. It's also a continual process of balancing, so it's always going.
    Do they need to be updated? No one is debating that here. It's also worth pointing out that some people tear through anything they put out, and it's impossible to make everyone happy. You do the best you can to account for as many Player demographics as possible and maintain some sort of organic pace for progress, for the majority of Players.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 37,678 ★★★★★
    It also stands to point out that with the introduction of R3s, the large amount of Rewards over Christmas, and the introduction of R4s, the game has gone through some large growth spurts. It will take time to catch up.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 37,678 ★★★★★

    It also stands to point out that with the introduction of R3s, the large amount of Rewards over Christmas, and the introduction of R4s, the game has gone through some large growth spurts. It will take time to catch up.

    But it shouldn’t though should it. They knew they were accelerating progression. But end game players have been bored for over a year. Necro and Epoch were short term, long form content. The game needs long term, short form content. BGs was and is that. But has been neglected.
    Yes, it should. You can't just add Rewards and call it a day. The entire game needs time to balance and catch up.
  • Gentsy12Gentsy12 Member Posts: 201 ★★★

    It also stands to point out that with the introduction of R3s, the large amount of Rewards over Christmas, and the introduction of R4s, the game has gone through some large growth spurts. It will take time to catch up.

    But it shouldn’t though should it. They knew they were accelerating progression. But end game players have been bored for over a year. Necro and Epoch were short term, long form content. The game needs long term, short form content. BGs was and is that. But has been neglected.
    Yes, it should. You can't just add Rewards and call it a day. The entire game needs time to balance and catch up.
    As I said in my previous post, Kabam is in a tough situation that doesn’t have a simple solution. The 7* horizontal and vertical progression has been much quicker than they thought, crashed admitted to this in his banquet recap, and kabam has continued to put out Everest type content (seasons, epoch) meaning they likely had to slow the influx of materials in EQ, BG, AQ.

    Now with that said, it will be super telling to see what spring cleaning deals look like. If they flood the game w AG shards and t7b to entice players to spend and still don’t update eq and BG rewards that will be very telling. But there’s no point in speculating at this point just have to wait and see.
  • GrabmeMCOCGrabmeMCOC Member Posts: 202 ★★

    It also stands to point out that with the introduction of R3s, the large amount of Rewards over Christmas, and the introduction of R4s, the game has gone through some large growth spurts. It will take time to catch up.

    But it shouldn’t though should it. They knew they were accelerating progression. But end game players have been bored for over a year. Necro and Epoch were short term, long form content. The game needs long term, short form content. BGs was and is that. But has been neglected.
    Yes, it should. You can't just add Rewards and call it a day. The entire game needs time to balance and catch up.
    No it shouldn’t. Most people DONT ONLY want rewards. They want a reason to play. I’ve not asked for better rewards. Better content to use my hard earned champions. They need to revamp multiple game modes AND rewards. You’ve even got people asking for outdated rewards to come back because they have nothing better to do. People want t1 dust. Lower catalysts. People want 3/4* BGs. People want new arenas to grind for new champions. New EQ, Kabam can’t even be bothered to change the nodes on EQ let alone the layout and difficulty.

  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 23,370 ★★★★★


    It’s very very simple. Make the game harder, increase the difficulty, complexity and diversity requirements and buff the rewards.

    They tried that with Act 6 and variant one. And we can all see how that turned out.
  • BosleyBosley Member Posts: 582 ★★★
    edited March 10
    It may actually be that KABAM is decreasing the diversity requirements of the game.

    With all these stacked nodes coupled with specific defender abilities you often can only use a small number of viable attackers. the more specific the content, like the Variants for example, the worse this has become.

    There may not be gates in the game anymore, but KABAM ha effectively created the same result.
    (Edited cause I can't spell)
  • ViperOfChampionViperOfChampion Member Posts: 937 ★★★

    KabamDORK said:

    CrashOut said:

    The username checks out. I agree that the game rewards need a boost, but specifically calling out Dork when he has been super active the last few days (which was the weekend btw), seems a bit unnecessary. There’s a way to communicate how you feel without calling out specific people who have been very clear they want to improve on how much they communicate and improve the game

    I could have said Community team, but Dork is the head of the team so either way I'd be calling him out.

    I love that he wants to improve, but what does that look like? He hasn't given us anything, that's like you're Mrs cheating on you and saying she'll do better in the future, do better by not doing it or by hiding it 😂 i don't know, I like clear messages not hopes and wishes
    Much of the the sentiment around improvement was finding where the discrepancy lies from the players point of view. While I personally haven't been posting on the forums as much as I'd have liked to over the last few months, I still see them, communicate them to my team and they execute when I can't. Increasing my personal presence here is an improvement we're figuring out how to make a little more permanent or at least more consistent now that things are more stabilized than when I started.

    To be clear, the circumstances of my situation here is no ones problem but my own. I only aim to provide a little context and transparency. If you all aren't happy, no amount of curtain peeling is going to solve that.

    While we've made some improvements over time, it's clear though to us that there are some more substantial improvements to be made, and we will update you soon on how we plan on doing that. First order of business however, was to take some time and listen.
    Boom. And this is what we want to hear. We want to know that you’ve heard us and are acting. DDD the legend
    Dorky "Diggidy" Dave?
  • SandeepSSandeepS Member Posts: 1,341 ★★★★
    I agree with what the OP was trying to say. The point about not knowing what you are buying is an important one. I paid for BRB, never used him. Did the deathless thanos chase, was fun and he is decent too. Some are hit and others are miss. Since then, I'm now less inclined to push myself to get or pay for a champ I'm not sure of.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 23,370 ★★★★★

    KabamDORK said:

    CrashOut said:

    The username checks out. I agree that the game rewards need a boost, but specifically calling out Dork when he has been super active the last few days (which was the weekend btw), seems a bit unnecessary. There’s a way to communicate how you feel without calling out specific people who have been very clear they want to improve on how much they communicate and improve the game

    I could have said Community team, but Dork is the head of the team so either way I'd be calling him out.

    I love that he wants to improve, but what does that look like? He hasn't given us anything, that's like you're Mrs cheating on you and saying she'll do better in the future, do better by not doing it or by hiding it 😂 i don't know, I like clear messages not hopes and wishes
    Much of the the sentiment around improvement was finding where the discrepancy lies from the players point of view. While I personally haven't been posting on the forums as much as I'd have liked to over the last few months, I still see them, communicate them to my team and they execute when I can't. Increasing my personal presence here is an improvement we're figuring out how to make a little more permanent or at least more consistent now that things are more stabilized than when I started.

    To be clear, the circumstances of my situation here is no ones problem but my own. I only aim to provide a little context and transparency. If you all aren't happy, no amount of curtain peeling is going to solve that.

    While we've made some improvements over time, it's clear though to us that there are some more substantial improvements to be made, and we will update you soon on how we plan on doing that. First order of business however, was to take some time and listen.
    Boom. And this is what we want to hear. We want to know that you’ve heard us and are acting. DDD the legend
    You're excited about something we've always been told..... Lol.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 23,370 ★★★★★

    It's so funny to me how the multiple complaints about the current state of BGs and rewards in general always come from different forum users nobody has ever heard off for the most part, but the comments defending Kabam always come from the same apologists everyone already knows lol to anyone reading any replies from Demonzfyre GW or Buttehrs, do yourselves as well as everyone else a favor and just ignore them. They desperately derail threads and turn them into wars so they get closed down, it's all they do, zero constructive criticism or logic in anything they say.

    You can kick rocks too. You, PT_99 and private rogers. So sick at tired people like you thinking you can say anything you want and no one can disagree with you. Nothing I've said in years has ever shut a thread down. Probably been 5 years but you sit here acting like it's a daily occurrence. Most of you don't know what constructive criticism even is. You think yelling about how bad rewards are or how bad a game mode sucks is constructive.

    Even in this thread, it's hardly constructive. It's just bringing up topics that have already had many threads and many with mod comments. I'm going to continue to be me. I'm going to voice my opinion and respond how I want. Especially because I know it bothers you so damn much.
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