Rebalance changes

Wolf911Wolf911 Member Posts: 976 ★★★★
in General Discussion
as we got the rebalance update of Scream and Jack

it mentioned the rebalanced Patriot, modok and yondu will be added in AUGUST

so if a new champ is not meeting the expectations of the balance team, we have to wait a full year to get the changes?

use the mid/below average champ for over a year???

that’s really really BAD

Comments

  • ButtehrsButtehrs Member Posts: 7,312 ★★★★★
    First off, it's not over a year. It's not even a full year. Secondly, it's far far better than waiting several years like cyclops or groot someday.
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 8,956 ★★★★★
    Buttehrs said:

    First off, it's not over a year. It's not even a full year. Secondly, it's far far better than waiting several years like cyclops or groot someday.

    Ur wrong on the date he would be over a year since release when he gets buffed
  • ButtehrsButtehrs Member Posts: 7,312 ★★★★★
    Aight fine. A year from release to buff though I could've sworn he was newer than that. Still though, look how long it took to buff cyclops. Look as who were voting for atm, all are 2 years+ older champs. 1 yr ain't so bad in that context.
  • Frumpy_geezerFrumpy_geezer Member Posts: 147 ★
    Wolf911 said:


    or is it only for Patriot this time? and others will be quicker?

    I think it's only for him as he was the first to enter this pool and the timing just didn't work. But some will have 9ish months if they fall just right and need the rework. I would think May and December would be the ones that would take 9 months (3 months initially then 6 months until the next rework date). But I could be wrong and it could end up being 15 months....

  • Wolf911Wolf911 Member Posts: 976 ★★★★
    Buttehrs said:

    Aight fine. A year from release to buff though I could've sworn he was newer than that. Still though, look how long it took to buff cyclops. Look as who were voting for atm, all are 2 years+ older champs. 1 yr ain't so bad in that context.

    Arcade and Northstar

    released June 2024

    rebalance changes live in game January 2025

    that’s 6 months as opposed to a full year for patriot
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 8,956 ★★★★★
    Wicket329 said:

    Buttehrs said:

    Aight fine. A year from release to buff though I could've sworn he was newer than that. Still though, look how long it took to buff cyclops. Look as who were voting for atm, all are 2 years+ older champs. 1 yr ain't so bad in that context.

    But that’s not a fair comparison point. The fair comparison point is with other champions going through the tuning process. And that’s always been a six month turnaround. I understand Kabam wanting to change their cadence for workload purposes, but Patriot getting caught in it like this sucks.

    If this announcement had been for three older champions, I don’t think there’d be any complaints about us not seeing them until August. We have no sense of schedule when it comes to old champion buffs, they’re just a nice treat we get from time to time, and so they are appreciated as bonuses when they come. But new champ tuning, until now, had been on a consistent, reasonable schedule. And it sucks to see that get thrown out for exactly one champion.
    Getting 2 old champs is quite nice and moving the non used to hopefully useable as these have to also be a 7 viable
  • Wolf911Wolf911 Member Posts: 976 ★★★★
    edited March 19
    Just realized this

    IF and that’s a big if any of Dazzler or Spiral are not meeting the expectations and are subject to rebalancing

    their rebalance will go live in January 2026?

    there will always be some champ or other caught in the crossfire like Patriot
  • ButtehrsButtehrs Member Posts: 7,312 ★★★★★
    Wolf911 said:

    Just realized this

    IF and that’s a big if any of Dazzler or Spiral are not meeting the expectations and are subject to rebalancing

    there rebalance will go live in January 2026?

    there will always be some champ or other caught in the crossfire like Patriot

    I mean, it's just the nature of the beast. They obviously don't have manpower to push out reworks overhaul buffs and rebalances month after month while also creating content. Even if they did hire more people, you then run the problem of too many cooks in the kitchen.
  • Wolf911Wolf911 Member Posts: 976 ★★★★
    Buttehrs said:


    I mean, it's just the nature of the beast. They obviously don't have manpower to push out reworks overhaul buffs and rebalances month after month while also creating content. Even if they did hire more people, you then run the problem of too many cooks in the kitchen.

    I agree they don’t have the manpower

    2 new champs every month and monthly content ( sq, eq, bgs, wars, etc. ) and any new content, bugs that are there every update and in general some interactions that need looking into

    but what they were doing before the change was good

    6 months for the rebalance if any was required ( tune up an old champ if no rebalance was needed )

    1 old champ overhaul every saga

    6 champs tune up during banquet

    1 summoner choice rework in a year

    that was sufficient is what I think

    but what kabam developers and planners are thinking I have no clue
  • ButtehrsButtehrs Member Posts: 7,312 ★★★★★
    Wolf911 said:

    Buttehrs said:


    I mean, it's just the nature of the beast. They obviously don't have manpower to push out reworks overhaul buffs and rebalances month after month while also creating content. Even if they did hire more people, you then run the problem of too many cooks in the kitchen.

    I agree they don’t have the manpower

    2 new champs every month and monthly content ( sq, eq, bgs, wars, etc. ) and any new content, bugs that are there every update and in general some interactions that need looking into

    but what they were doing before the change was good

    6 months for the rebalance if any was required ( tune up an old champ if no rebalance was needed )

    1 old champ overhaul every saga

    6 champs tune up during banquet

    1 summoner choice rework in a year

    that was sufficient is what I think

    but what kabam developers and planners are thinking I have no clue
    That's where the difference is. It was sufficient for players. Obviously it wasn't sufficient for kabam or else it would've stayed that way.
  • Wicket329Wicket329 Member Posts: 3,752 ★★★★★
    Wolf911 said:

    Buttehrs said:


    I mean, it's just the nature of the beast. They obviously don't have manpower to push out reworks overhaul buffs and rebalances month after month while also creating content. Even if they did hire more people, you then run the problem of too many cooks in the kitchen.

    I agree they don’t have the manpower

    2 new champs every month and monthly content ( sq, eq, bgs, wars, etc. ) and any new content, bugs that are there every update and in general some interactions that need looking into

    but what they were doing before the change was good

    6 months for the rebalance if any was required ( tune up an old champ if no rebalance was needed )

    1 old champ overhaul every saga

    6 champs tune up during banquet

    1 summoner choice rework in a year

    that was sufficient is what I think

    but what kabam developers and planners are thinking I have no clue
    The group of six at the end of the year was absolutely not a thing we should get used to or expect in the future. That was specifically a part of the ten year anniversary celebration where Kabam went all out, and asking the devs to put together six big reworks like those all at once is too much.

    I also think that we’ll continue to see surprise buffs throughout the year as dev workload allows. I’m not worried about the old champ buff cadence. That will be messy, as it has always been, but that’s fine. It’s the tuning portion that worries me. Timelines on these new champs are getting really lengthy and I don’t love it.
  • dr2wsdr2ws Member Posts: 1,083 ★★★★
    I can’t wait for a Yondu and Modok buff.

    Kabam if you’re reading this, you should totally update his occasional offensive verbal abuse, a bit more up to par with 2025 you know..
  • Wolf911Wolf911 Member Posts: 976 ★★★★
    Wicket329 said:


    The group of six at the end of the year was absolutely not a thing we should get used to or expect in the future. That was specifically a part of the ten year anniversary celebration where Kabam went all out, and asking the devs to put together six big reworks like those all at once is too much.

    I also think that we’ll continue to see surprise buffs throughout the year as dev workload allows. I’m not worried about the old champ buff cadence. That will be messy, as it has always been, but that’s fine. It’s the tuning portion that worries me. Timelines on these new champs are getting really lengthy and I don’t love it.

    forgot about the 6 champs being 10th anniversary special thing

    but the timelines before were good 3 months to know if any changes are being made and 3 more for those changes to go live

    now if by chance they make a champ that’s way too overpowered on attack ( doubt it will ever happen given the recent champs ) and in 3 months we get to know that they will get tuned down

    then we have to wait 6-9 months just to see the changes that will be made ( and if the nerf is just too bad making that champ unusable resulting in demand of RDT’s … ignore it’s just me overthinking )
  • WednesdayLengthWednesdayLength Member Posts: 2,455 ★★★★★
    Wolf911 said:

    Buttehrs said:


    I mean, it's just the nature of the beast. They obviously don't have manpower to push out reworks overhaul buffs and rebalances month after month while also creating content. Even if they did hire more people, you then run the problem of too many cooks in the kitchen.

    I agree they don’t have the manpower

    2 new champs every month and monthly content ( sq, eq, bgs, wars, etc. ) and any new content, bugs that are there every update and in general some interactions that need looking into

    but what they were doing before the change was good

    6 months for the rebalance if any was required ( tune up an old champ if no rebalance was needed )

    1 old champ overhaul every saga

    6 champs tune up during banquet

    1 summoner choice rework in a year

    that was sufficient is what I think

    but what kabam developers and planners are thinking I have no clue
    It was good on the consumers side of things but not the people that actually have to do it
  • Gentsy12Gentsy12 Member Posts: 90 ★★
    Copying here from another post I started.

    With the Scream / Jack rebalance announcement today, it finally makes sense why it will be ~9-12 months before new champs enter the basic pool, it's to coincide with their rebalance go-live dates. Patriot's buff will go live more than a year after his release, Kabam is using the extended timings (of both the rebalancing program and titan pool rotations) to diminish the value of the titan crystal.

    Titans will always have new champs and why increase the value of the crystal by having the new champs buffed while still in the crystal. I have to say that it's a brilliant move 🙄🙄

    It’s almost as if you’re trying to annoy the player base.
  • ChuckD05ChuckD05 Member Posts: 178 ★
    Nemesis_17 said:

    Very game accurate Patriot buff date. This way the time it takes for the buff to go live is proportionate to how long it takes him to finish fights.

    His damage isn’t that bad if you block bait and do his heavy reverse thing. I took r4 photon on 42 in t1 war with my r2 comfortably so he’s got something going for him at least.

    But…. He def needs a buff and It’s really not cool how long patriot is taking to buff. They damaged once to June and now it’s two more months ??? Why???!!??

    He’s not far off from being good , he doesn’t need much, kinda missing the window to make it desirable taking this long tho.
  • peixemacacopeixemacaco Member Posts: 4,893 ★★★★★
    M.O.D.O.K. please....
    I will R5 him
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