Next Batch Champion Update in August... Is Kabam okay?

Dkaptain · March 19

First of all, and that's a personal rant, still no Daredevil HK buff mention, even though he is being sold right now. Second... We're going to wait nearly 6 months MORE for the next set of buffs, which is going to be Patriot, Modok and Yondu. This will be nearly a year after a Patriot release, and we've been waiting for his announced buff for nearly three months already..

This is not an April 1st joke by the way, I'm speechless. This kind of thing immediately makes me question why I ever bought anything with real money in MCOC... Batch updates for a Live Service games are an absolute necessity, and what we have now is surreal levels of dung eating.

Yodabolt21 · March 19

Kraven was also sold and received no buff. Stop whining please. These posts are pointless

myanswer · March 19

Actually, Patriot launched in July 2024. Almost a year for buffing Patriot.

Dkaptain · March 19

Yodabolt21 said:
Kraven was also sold and received no buff. Stop whining please. These posts are pointless

The fact that Kraven was sold with no buff does not make doing it again okay. And he was a part of a track with a lot of other rewards in between.

Dkaptain · March 19

myanswer said:
Actually, Patriot launched in July 2024. Almost a year for buffing Patriot.

Oh yea, more than a year since the release then lol...

Buttehrs · March 19

Dkaptain said:

Yodabolt21 said:
Kraven was also sold and received no buff. Stop whining please. These posts are pointless
The fact that Kraven was sold with no buff does not make doing it again okay. And he was a part of a track with a lot of other rewards in between.

Because kabam is obviously happy with the way Kraken or DD perform or else they would buff them. There's more pressing buffs and tune ups they are working on according to what they feel is more important. It'll never stop them from selling a champ. Regardless if it needs a buff or not.

WednesdayLength · March 19

Why on earth would they give word on buffing ddhk when they haven't got plans to right now 🤡

Herbal_Taxman · March 19

The lesson here, don’t be a sucker for some champ just cause you like them in the comics.

RIP DDHK bros.

Revan0607 · March 19

Herbal_Taxman said:
The lesson here, don’t be a sucker for some champ just cause you like them in the comics.

RIP DDHK bros.

Disappointed but since kabams pushing for more “do over” or “second” buffs like Yondu, I’ll take that as a good enough sign that hopefully by end of this year- early next year. @KabamDORK did say to me that a DDHK buff is not off the table but that they have a queue so that he’s in the back of the line. So with this new batch system, if DDs in the next batch or two, I’m willing to wait and see

ChuckD05 · March 19

Yodabolt21 said:
Kraven was also sold and received no buff. Stop whining please. These posts are pointless

This post is far from pointless. Kabam sold new champs stating they had a balance team and an update regiment. Patriot was included in that.

They have now pushed his buff back twice. You prob don’t but some spend good money on this game and want to know what they’re paying for is what they’re getting. In this case, they are not.

Patriot is not far from being good either , he needs an infuriate , less debuffs neeeded for non science , and a fury boost + maybe some boost before he gets the furies. Not a lot at all. It’s really not a good look imo.

BringPopcorn · March 19

I like how they said to stop the DDHK buff post spam and they managed to plug it on other one.. well played.

peixemacaco · March 19

Daredevil Hells Kitchen need a Buff, lets work together in a campaign!

0100 · March 20

Batch 1 and Batch 2 Close to December for Banquet = 💰💸💵💵💵💱💱💱🤑🤑🤑.
They know exactly what they're doing...
But, I agree - Patriot shouldn't be in these Batch groups.

Toproller89 · March 20

That’s wild, takes Kabam a year to buff a champ when it should take 5 minutes, how hard is it? He better be nothing less than stellar when he finally gets buffed

Chobbly · March 20

Toproller89 said:
That’s wild, takes Kabam a year to buff a champ when it should take 5 minutes, how hard is it? He better be nothing less than stellar when he finally gets buffed

It won't take five minutes. Any change has to go through impact analysis, peer review, multiple environments, rounds of testing, QA processes and other stuff besides development.

MrSakuragi · March 20

Chobbly said:

Toproller89 said:
That’s wild, takes Kabam a year to buff a champ when it should take 5 minutes, how hard is it? He better be nothing less than stellar when he finally gets buffed
It won't take five minutes. Any change has to go through impact analysis, peer review, multiple environments, rounds of testing, QA processes and other stuff besides development.

They can test champs but not the consistently bugged content

Chuck_Finley · March 20

Chobbly said:

Toproller89 said:
That’s wild, takes Kabam a year to buff a champ when it should take 5 minutes, how hard is it? He better be nothing less than stellar when he finally gets buffed
It won't take five minutes. Any change has to go through impact analysis, peer review, multiple environments, rounds of testing, QA processes and other stuff besides development.

I keep rereading this hoping it’s sarcasm… have you played MCOC after any monthly update?

SirGamesBond · March 20

Yodabolt21 said:
Kraven was also sold and received no buff. Stop whining please. These posts are pointless

Op god Civil warrior.
I know, nobody remembers him. Rofl

Toproller89 · March 20

Chobbly said:

Toproller89 said:
That’s wild, takes Kabam a year to buff a champ when it should take 5 minutes, how hard is it? He better be nothing less than stellar when he finally gets buffed
It won't take five minutes. Any change has to go through impact analysis, peer review, multiple environments, rounds of testing, QA processes and other stuff besides development.

That’s good to hear, I see when they release a new champ they obviously circumvent all of that testing, can I find the peer reviewed double blind studies on pubmed? lol

Gogi · March 20

I usually don't complain, simply because Kabam does not do enough.

They say they are "listening" (sure but it takes almost 1 year to increase ex rewards which are outdated since long..

I love Krasched but he is blind.. he just refers to "data" and says it's OK. No. It's not. Traders outpost? Kabam: It's good, literally everyone else forums, reddit, streamers etc says NO. BGs? champions buffs etc nothing is done and ignored saying: we know, is not enough.
Releasing Epoch and Ordeal is not enough, especially Epoch which is copy paste -.- (except Ares) (Sure some like it, more hates it).
You really need to get your stuff together.

altavista · March 20

Looking at their post on Batch updates (https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/384097/updates-to-the-champion-balance-program) there is a section on the reasoning. I ultimately feel like neither will be true.

The first reason being more freedom of Dev Timeline. Moving the Champions to be in a more open timeline lets us remove a good portion of the month-to-month stresses that the current Re-Balance Process puts on the team, and use that time won back to focus on Overhauls, or supporting other content like Alliance War, Battlegrounds, Everest content, etc.

I know its early, but I don't really see any of the payoffs of less "month-to-month" stresses. The Batch update change was announced in Dec, with Patriot being the first one subject to this. We've now experienced three months of Patriot-free developer time and.... no Overhauls, and people are still complaining about AW and BGs (and AQ Raids). Maybe the Ordeal and Epoch is where this developer time is going? Because otherwise, there is no noticeable improvement as a result of "supporting other content".

The second being releasing a “Batch” puts a bigger spotlight on these changes. One of the biggest things we’ve noticed with the current Re-Balance process, is that often the player's tone of a Champion does not change, even if they are in a much better position post-Re-Balance. We feel that bundling the changes together, and looking into the possibility of supporting them with other content, will help put a bigger spotlight on these Champions' refreshed kits, breathing new life into them.

While they have a point that a lot of players still think Luke Cage is trash despite the buff, I don't think an extra 6-months is gonna change anything. Most players are gonna end up forgetting that there is a buff to be expected and still consider Patriot trash.

Additionally, a Batch release dilutes the focus on any particular champion buff. Now Patriot has to contend with Yondu and Modok getting the spotlight, as opposed to having the spotlight all to himself or sharing it with one other.

Evidence for this can be seen with the Glorious Guardians reworks. With a batch of 6 buffed champions, 1 or 2 buffed champions stole the spotlight while the rest were mostly forgotten. BPCW buff would have been forgotten already if he wasn't an Ordeal defender. Purgatory is great but a vast majority of players probably don't know much about what changed. And even though I read through Sentinel's buffed kit, the only thing I know about the buff is that he is an annoying defender in the last 15% health.

Chobbly · March 20

Chuck_Finley said:

Chobbly said:

Toproller89 said:
That’s wild, takes Kabam a year to buff a champ when it should take 5 minutes, how hard is it? He better be nothing less than stellar when he finally gets buffed
It won't take five minutes. Any change has to go through impact analysis, peer review, multiple environments, rounds of testing, QA processes and other stuff besides development.

I keep rereading this hoping it’s sarcasm… have you played MCOC after any monthly update?

I have, and perhaps I should have said "in theory". I'd rather leave it ambiguous though

But that said, I'm a little confused by the Yondu buff. He'd not bad and actually quite effective in some specific matchups - he's just not very interesting to play, to me at least.

It's his second buff though, so there's hope for the likes of Civil Warrior and DDHK.

WednesdayLength · March 20

ChuckD05 said:

Yodabolt21 said:
Kraven was also sold and received no buff. Stop whining please. These posts are pointless
This post is far from pointless. Kabam sold new champs stating they had a balance team and an update regiment. Patriot was included in that.

They have now pushed his buff back twice. You prob don’t but some spend good money on this game and want to know what they’re paying for is what they’re getting. In this case, they are not.

Patriot is not far from being good either , he needs an infuriate , less debuffs neeeded for non science , and a fury boost + maybe some boost before he gets the furies. Not a lot at all. It’s really not a good look imo.

They haven't pushed his buff back twice, it was announced as happening in the second half of the year and it's happening in the second half of the year

WednesdayLength · March 20

Toproller89 said:
That’s wild, takes Kabam a year to buff a champ when it should take 5 minutes, how hard is it? He better be nothing less than stellar when he finally gets buffed

You have no clue how this process works lmao

WednesdayLength · March 20

altavista said:
Looking at their post on Batch updates (https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/384097/updates-to-the-champion-balance-program) there is a section on the reasoning. I ultimately feel like neither will be true.

The first reason being more freedom of Dev Timeline. Moving the Champions to be in a more open timeline lets us remove a good portion of the month-to-month stresses that the current Re-Balance Process puts on the team, and use that time won back to focus on Overhauls, or supporting other content like Alliance War, Battlegrounds, Everest content, etc.

I know its early, but I don't really see any of the payoffs of less "month-to-month" stresses. The Batch update change was announced in Dec, with Patriot being the first one subject to this. We've now experienced three months of Patriot-free developer time and.... no Overhauls, and people are still complaining about AW and BGs (and AQ Raids). Maybe the Ordeal and Epoch is where this developer time is going? Because otherwise, there is no noticeable improvement as a result of "supporting other content".

The second being releasing a “Batch” puts a bigger spotlight on these changes. One of the biggest things we’ve noticed with the current Re-Balance process, is that often the player's tone of a Champion does not change, even if they are in a much better position post-Re-Balance. We feel that bundling the changes together, and looking into the possibility of supporting them with other content, will help put a bigger spotlight on these Champions' refreshed kits, breathing new life into them.

While they have a point that a lot of players still think Luke Cage is trash despite the buff, I don't think an extra 6-months is gonna change anything. Most players are gonna end up forgetting that there is a buff to be expected and still consider Patriot trash.

Additionally, a Batch release dilutes the focus on any particular champion buff. Now Patriot has to contend with Yondu and Modok getting the spotlight, as opposed to having the spotlight all to himself or sharing it with one other.

Evidence for this can be seen with the Glorious Guardians reworks. With a batch of 6 buffed champions, 1 or 2 buffed champions stole the spotlight while the rest were mostly forgotten. BPCW buff would have been forgotten already if he wasn't an Ordeal defender. Purgatory is great but a vast majority of players probably don't know much about what changed. And even though I read through Sentinel's buffed kit, the only thing I know about the buff is that he is an annoying defender in the last 15% health.

I mean are you just ignoring the phoenix buff and the Cyclops overhaul?

Revan0607 · March 20

Chobbly said:

Chuck_Finley said:

Chobbly said:

Toproller89 said:
That’s wild, takes Kabam a year to buff a champ when it should take 5 minutes, how hard is it? He better be nothing less than stellar when he finally gets buffed
It won't take five minutes. Any change has to go through impact analysis, peer review, multiple environments, rounds of testing, QA processes and other stuff besides development.

I keep rereading this hoping it’s sarcasm… have you played MCOC after any monthly update?
I have, and perhaps I should have said "in theory". I'd rather leave it ambiguous though

But that said, I'm a little confused by the Yondu buff. He'd not bad and actually quite effective in some specific matchups - he's just not very interesting to play, to me at least.

It's his second buff though, so there's hope for the likes of Civil Warrior and DDHK.

Honestly after DDHK, civil Warrior was next on my list. I think a change for him is just to let his furies be permanent or just fall off one at a time like Howard , wouldn’t mind lowering his amount from 50 to around 30, he’d still be great, but the mechanic of constantly dashing back/ holding block after every combo is annoying

Chobbly · March 20

I totally agree with Civil Warrior @Revan0607 - even if the Furies fell off in blocks of 10 it would be better. It's the cliff-edge which really hampers him. Unfortunately his play style does get a bit monotonous after a while, to me at least.

Wicket329 · March 20

Revan0607 said:

Chobbly said:

Chuck_Finley said:

Chobbly said:

Toproller89 said:
That’s wild, takes Kabam a year to buff a champ when it should take 5 minutes, how hard is it? He better be nothing less than stellar when he finally gets buffed
It won't take five minutes. Any change has to go through impact analysis, peer review, multiple environments, rounds of testing, QA processes and other stuff besides development.

I keep rereading this hoping it’s sarcasm… have you played MCOC after any monthly update?
I have, and perhaps I should have said "in theory". I'd rather leave it ambiguous though

But that said, I'm a little confused by the Yondu buff. He'd not bad and actually quite effective in some specific matchups - he's just not very interesting to play, to me at least.

It's his second buff though, so there's hope for the likes of Civil Warrior and DDHK.
Honestly after DDHK, civil Warrior was next on my list. I think a change for him is just to let his furies be permanent or just fall off one at a time like Howard , wouldn’t mind lowering his amount from 50 to around 30, he’d still be great, but the mechanic of constantly dashing back/ holding block after every combo is annoying

Civil Warrior is a champ that is less than the sum of his parts. He has so many cool individual mechanics, but they contradict each other. He gains resistance/immunity for maintaining a certain number of armor buffs, but if you want to deal any damage then you have to consume those armor buffs. You have to stay aggressive to build your buffs, but you also need to frequently dash back and hold block or else you’ll lose your ramp completely. He’s so close to being a great champ, but his playstyle is like chewing glass and his kit undercuts itself left and right.

dr2ws · March 20

WednesdayLength said:
Why on earth would they give word on buffing ddhk when they haven't got plans to right now 🤡

OP: Petition to get 7* DDHK
-Kabam makes 7* DDHK-
OP: Buff him now please.

Revan0607 · March 20

dr2ws said:

WednesdayLength said:
Why on earth would they give word on buffing ddhk when they haven't got plans to right now 🤡
OP: Petition to get 7* DDHK
-Kabam makes 7* DDHK-
OP: Buff him now please.

Who’s OP

WednesdayLength · March 21

Revan0607 said:

dr2ws said:

WednesdayLength said:
Why on earth would they give word on buffing ddhk when they haven't got plans to right now 🤡
OP: Petition to get 7* DDHK
-Kabam makes 7* DDHK-
OP: Buff him now please.
Who’s OP

You

Next Batch Champion Update in August... Is Kabam okay?

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