I like her a lot, but I find there’s so many nodes now that make defenders stun immune that you can’t chain the heavy and makes her a lot harder to play
Just curious because I don't have one ranked, but what matched would wolf be better for? Asking because either have one, just haven't invested, but looking at his kit I just see being able to apply some alright ruptures through block as his only beneficial gimmick right?
I like her a lot, but I find there’s so many nodes now that make defenders stun immune that you can’t chain the heavy and makes her a lot harder to play
^This. Also the problem with Silk. Simple stun immune node knocks them down a couple pegs.
I like her a lot, but I find there’s so many nodes now that make defenders stun immune that you can’t chain the heavy and makes her a lot harder to play
^This. Also the problem with Silk. Simple stun immune node knocks them down a couple pegs.
But silk can be played without stunning the opponent, you deal little less damage. Chavez is pretty useless without heavy chaining
Ehh, PERSONALLY, being a Serpent counter is not enough reason to make me rank up spiral, there's really nothing I need her for. I'd rather invest in a number 2 option which can take 15 more fights than a number 1 option which can take 3 more fights (those 3 fights being maestro, Hyperion and sersi).
Obviously an exaggeration but people aren't gonna remove chavez from their decks for spiral lmao.
Eh I’m in m1/c6 and I don’t really see Chavez all that often anymore. I have a r3 sig 100 Chavez and I don’t have her in my BG deck. She is considerably slower than a lot of the other mystics to justify running her in for competitive reasons.
Name the mystics who are faster than her? I'm genuinely curious.
I'm pretty sure spiral is not faster than Chavez outside serpent matchups.
Ehh, PERSONALLY, being a Serpent counter is not enough reason to make me rank up spiral, there's really nothing I need her for. I'd rather invest in a number 2 option which can take 15 more fights than a number 1 option which can take 3 more fights (those 3 fights being maestro, Hyperion and sersi).
Obviously an exaggeration but people aren't gonna remove chavez from their decks for spiral lmao.
Eh I’m in m1/c6 and I don’t really see Chavez all that often anymore. I have a r3 sig 100 Chavez and I don’t have her in my BG deck. She is considerably slower than a lot of the other mystics to justify running her in for competitive reasons.
Name the mystics who are faster than her? I'm genuinely curious.
I'm pretty sure spiral is not faster than Chavez outside serpent matchups.
Shathra, Kushala, Hood, Longshot and Juggy
Hood requires sig 200, even then he isn't as versatile as chavez, kushala has nearly the same speed as her. Other 2 are faster but again less versatility than chavez.
Still my most used mystic by far. When the choice arises in BGs, I still select her over Spiral, Shathra, or Kushala to counter Serpent. It feels like the hype on a lot of other mystics has made folks chase them and forget that Chavez is as good as she is. I am not top tier by any means, but her utility covers so much she will be my first mystic R4 when I have the catalysts.
There are a few champs that fell off. Star Lord and Blade are the 2 biggest examples that came to mind. And though I personally don't really play Chavez because I dislike her playstyle, I can see how effective she still is in the game today. She definitely did not fall off
Ehh, PERSONALLY, being a Serpent counter is not enough reason to make me rank up spiral, there's really nothing I need her for. I'd rather invest in a number 2 option which can take 15 more fights than a number 1 option which can take 3 more fights (those 3 fights being maestro, Hyperion and sersi).
Obviously an exaggeration but people aren't gonna remove chavez from their decks for spiral lmao.
Eh I’m in m1/c6 and I don’t really see Chavez all that often anymore. I have a r3 sig 100 Chavez and I don’t have her in my BG deck. She is considerably slower than a lot of the other mystics to justify running her in for competitive reasons.
Name the mystics who are faster than her? I'm genuinely curious.
I'm pretty sure spiral is not faster than Chavez outside serpent matchups.
Shathra, Kushala, Hood, Longshot and Juggy
Hood requires sig 200, even then he isn't as versatile as chavez, kushala has nearly the same speed as her. Other 2 are faster but again less versatility than chavez.
Hood faster and it’s not close. Also I just strongly disagree with everything you just said. Hood is one of the most versatile champs in game and can do a lot of fights outside of the cosmic class. Here a video from Trap just cooking all sorts of defenders proving he a lot stronger than you give him credit for.
The only fights Chavez has “similar” speed to Kushala is some cosmic fights. Chavez is heavily reliant on defender having buffs and needs to crit sp2. The champs I mentioned don’t have these handicap as they don’t rely on RNG. Which makes them consistent from fight to fight. I suggest looking into some of these champs a bit more. Chavez is still a great champ but towards the top of bgs and even in my tier of BGs she almost non-existent.
Tigra is about to join here in a couple of weeks and she another champ that’ll make Chavez look mid. Also some fight I’ve seen from Mordo and Sosu (Sorcerer Supreme) I would take over Chavez. They’re doing Serpent/Thanos fights in getting 50k + scores. They’re actually pretty insane, look up my guy Scorpii mans out here cooking hard with them.
Ehh, PERSONALLY, being a Serpent counter is not enough reason to make me rank up spiral, there's really nothing I need her for. I'd rather invest in a number 2 option which can take 15 more fights than a number 1 option which can take 3 more fights (those 3 fights being maestro, Hyperion and sersi).
Obviously an exaggeration but people aren't gonna remove chavez from their decks for spiral lmao.
Eh I’m in m1/c6 and I don’t really see Chavez all that often anymore. I have a r3 sig 100 Chavez and I don’t have her in my BG deck. She is considerably slower than a lot of the other mystics to justify running her in for competitive reasons.
Name the mystics who are faster than her? I'm genuinely curious.
I'm pretty sure spiral is not faster than Chavez outside serpent matchups.
Kushala I guess. She's really really fast. My Chavez is unakwned and it takes at the very least two special two kill an opponent
Ehh, PERSONALLY, being a Serpent counter is not enough reason to make me rank up spiral, there's really nothing I need her for. I'd rather invest in a number 2 option which can take 15 more fights than a number 1 option which can take 3 more fights (those 3 fights being maestro, Hyperion and sersi).
Obviously an exaggeration but people aren't gonna remove chavez from their decks for spiral lmao.
Eh I’m in m1/c6 and I don’t really see Chavez all that often anymore. I have a r3 sig 100 Chavez and I don’t have her in my BG deck. She is considerably slower than a lot of the other mystics to justify running her in for competitive reasons.
Name the mystics who are faster than her? I'm genuinely curious.
I'm pretty sure spiral is not faster than Chavez outside serpent matchups.
Shathra, Kushala, Hood, Longshot and Juggy
Hood requires sig 200, even then he isn't as versatile as chavez, kushala has nearly the same speed as her. Other 2 are faster but again less versatility than chavez.
Hood is pretty dang versatile, especially with FAM coming as a 7* he’ll be even better now
But disagree with OP, I don’t use Chavez as much anymore for sure but I still use her quite a bit and she’s reliable for a lot of battlegrounds stuff. She’s always been crit reliant though
Ehh, PERSONALLY, being a Serpent counter is not enough reason to make me rank up spiral, there's really nothing I need her for. I'd rather invest in a number 2 option which can take 15 more fights than a number 1 option which can take 3 more fights (those 3 fights being maestro, Hyperion and sersi).
Obviously an exaggeration but people aren't gonna remove chavez from their decks for spiral lmao.
Eh I’m in m1/c6 and I don’t really see Chavez all that often anymore. I have a r3 sig 100 Chavez and I don’t have her in my BG deck. She is considerably slower than a lot of the other mystics to justify running her in for competitive reasons.
Name the mystics who are faster than her? I'm genuinely curious.
I'm pretty sure spiral is not faster than Chavez outside serpent matchups.
Shathra, Kushala, Hood, Longshot and Juggy
Hood requires sig 200, even then he isn't as versatile as chavez, kushala has nearly the same speed as her. Other 2 are faster but again less versatility than chavez.
Hood is pretty dang versatile, especially with FAM coming as a 7* he’ll be even better now
But disagree with OP, I don’t use Chavez as much anymore for sure but I still use her quite a bit and she’s reliable for a lot of battlegrounds stuff. She’s always been crit reliant though
alright maybe I was wrong, hood is very versatile sure but he does need sigs to ramp faster and nuke, and they aren't the most abundant resource in the game currently, also not to mention he is basically a short fight merchant where chavez can also take long quests and necro fights, but I get your point.
Ehh, PERSONALLY, being a Serpent counter is not enough reason to make me rank up spiral, there's really nothing I need her for. I'd rather invest in a number 2 option which can take 15 more fights than a number 1 option which can take 3 more fights (those 3 fights being maestro, Hyperion and sersi).
Obviously an exaggeration but people aren't gonna remove chavez from their decks for spiral lmao.
Eh I’m in m1/c6 and I don’t really see Chavez all that often anymore. I have a r3 sig 100 Chavez and I don’t have her in my BG deck. She is considerably slower than a lot of the other mystics to justify running her in for competitive reasons.
Name the mystics who are faster than her? I'm genuinely curious.
I'm pretty sure spiral is not faster than Chavez outside serpent matchups.
Shathra, Kushala, Hood, Longshot and Juggy
Hood requires sig 200, even then he isn't as versatile as chavez, kushala has nearly the same speed as her. Other 2 are faster but again less versatility than chavez.
The only fights Chavez has “similar” speed to Kushala is some cosmic fights. Chavez is heavily reliant on defender having buffs and needs to crit sp2. The champs I mentioned don’t have these handicap as they don’t rely on RNG. Which makes them consistent from fight to fight. I suggest looking into some of these champs a bit more. Chavez is still a great champ but towards the top of bgs and even in my tier of BGs she almost non-existent.
Tigra is about to join here in a couple of weeks and she another champ that’ll make Chavez look mid. Also some fight I’ve seen from Mordo and Sosu (Sorcerer Supreme) I would take over Chavez. They’re doing Serpent/Thanos fights in getting 50k + scores. They’re actually pretty insane, look up my guy Scorpii mans out here cooking hard with them.
Tigra is another sig hungry and very skill demanding champion which is one the leading factors based on which players make their rankups, she can also be slightly ai reliant to get her openings and lesser utility than chavez. Chavez is very capable of doing sub 50-60s fights in most matchups and metas, any champion can get limited by different metas dosen't mean they're falling off in the particular gamemode. Also who is using sorceror supreme in bgs lol? she's barely relevant in gamemodes she was meant to be used, Mordo I can understand he's very underrated and has some great damage when used properly.
also here is Nick's showcase of best mystics to fight serpent along with time, chavez is still one of the safest serpent counters and has alot to offer aswell. Sure she isn't the fastest mystic but by no means she can be considered "fallen off", she's very much relevant in every gamemode including bgs and does have speed in other matchups like onslaught, korg etc, she can be slowed down in very tanky and buff-less defenders like sassy or rintrah but every champion has their weak matchups. Getting back to longshot and juggs, they literally can't be used in alot of matchups due to alot of factors like debuffs in case of juggernaut and immunities in case of longshot, and thats coming as a owner of both r3 juggs and longshot. In BGs along with speed and health, versatility matters aswell and chavez has alot of versatility, great sustainability and decent damage/speed.
Another champion you can argue is wiger, has speed and decent utility for bgs but again she isn't the fastest and is more or less the same timing as chavez in most matchups, same for wwbn but everything varies with different metas, the player who is using them and the defender they are fighting.
Just curious because I don't have one ranked, but what matched would wolf be better for? Asking because either have one, just haven't invested, but looking at his kit I just see being able to apply some alright ruptures through block as his only beneficial gimmick right?
great maestro counter and a overall very versatile attacker for bgs, takes most matches without a problem with decent time and health.
Ehh, PERSONALLY, being a Serpent counter is not enough reason to make me rank up spiral, there's really nothing I need her for. I'd rather invest in a number 2 option which can take 15 more fights than a number 1 option which can take 3 more fights (those 3 fights being maestro, Hyperion and sersi).
Obviously an exaggeration but people aren't gonna remove chavez from their decks for spiral lmao.
Eh I’m in m1/c6 and I don’t really see Chavez all that often anymore. I have a r3 sig 100 Chavez and I don’t have her in my BG deck. She is considerably slower than a lot of the other mystics to justify running her in for competitive reasons.
Name the mystics who are faster than her? I'm genuinely curious.
I'm pretty sure spiral is not faster than Chavez outside serpent matchups.
Shathra, Kushala, Hood, Longshot and Juggy
Hood requires sig 200, even then he isn't as versatile as chavez, kushala has nearly the same speed as her. Other 2 are faster but again less versatility than chavez.
Hood is pretty dang versatile, especially with FAM coming as a 7* he’ll be even better now
But disagree with OP, I don’t use Chavez as much anymore for sure but I still use her quite a bit and she’s reliable for a lot of battlegrounds stuff. She’s always been crit reliant though
alright maybe I was wrong, hood is very versatile sure but he does need sigs to ramp faster and nuke, and they aren't the most abundant resource in the game currently, also not to mention he is basically a short fight merchant where chavez can also take long quests and necro fights, but I get your point.
Ehh, PERSONALLY, being a Serpent counter is not enough reason to make me rank up spiral, there's really nothing I need her for. I'd rather invest in a number 2 option which can take 15 more fights than a number 1 option which can take 3 more fights (those 3 fights being maestro, Hyperion and sersi).
Obviously an exaggeration but people aren't gonna remove chavez from their decks for spiral lmao.
Eh I’m in m1/c6 and I don’t really see Chavez all that often anymore. I have a r3 sig 100 Chavez and I don’t have her in my BG deck. She is considerably slower than a lot of the other mystics to justify running her in for competitive reasons.
Name the mystics who are faster than her? I'm genuinely curious.
I'm pretty sure spiral is not faster than Chavez outside serpent matchups.
Shathra, Kushala, Hood, Longshot and Juggy
Hood requires sig 200, even then he isn't as versatile as chavez, kushala has nearly the same speed as her. Other 2 are faster but again less versatility than chavez.
The only fights Chavez has “similar” speed to Kushala is some cosmic fights. Chavez is heavily reliant on defender having buffs and needs to crit sp2. The champs I mentioned don’t have these handicap as they don’t rely on RNG. Which makes them consistent from fight to fight. I suggest looking into some of these champs a bit more. Chavez is still a great champ but towards the top of bgs and even in my tier of BGs she almost non-existent.
Tigra is about to join here in a couple of weeks and she another champ that’ll make Chavez look mid. Also some fight I’ve seen from Mordo and Sosu (Sorcerer Supreme) I would take over Chavez. They’re doing Serpent/Thanos fights in getting 50k + scores. They’re actually pretty insane, look up my guy Scorpii mans out here cooking hard with them.
Tigra is another sig hungry and very skill demanding champion which is one the leading factors based on which players make their rankups, she can also be slightly ai reliant to get her openings and lesser utility than chavez. Chavez is very capable of doing sub 50-60s fights in most matchups and metas, any champion can get limited by different metas dosen't mean they're falling off in the particular gamemode. Also who is using sorceror supreme in bgs lol? she's barely relevant in gamemodes she was meant to be used, Mordo I can understand he's very underrated and has some great damage when used properly.
also here is Nick's showcase of best mystics to fight serpent along with time, chavez is still one of the safest serpent counters and has alot to offer aswell. Sure she isn't the fastest mystic but by no means she can be considered "fallen off", she's very much relevant in every gamemode including bgs and does have speed in other matchups like onslaught, korg etc, she can be slowed down in very tanky and buff-less defenders like sassy or rintrah but every champion has their weak matchups. Getting back to longshot and juggs, they literally can't be used in alot of matchups due to alot of factors like debuffs in case of juggernaut and immunities in case of longshot, and thats coming as a owner of both r3 juggs and longshot. In BGs along with speed and health, versatility matters aswell and chavez has alot of versatility, great sustainability and decent damage/speed.
Another champion you can argue is wiger, has speed and decent utility for bgs but again she isn't the fastest and is more or less the same timing as chavez in most matchups, same for wwbn but everything varies with different metas, the player who is using them and the defender they are fighting.
Idk what Nick was doing with Shathra and Tigra but that’s outrageously slow. Literally the other day my r3 sig 200 serpent got mowed down by Shathra in 44 seconds by one of my homies. Gonna have to teach him the secret sauce.
You really haven’t proved Chavez versatility. She isn’t great outside of cosmic fights. You already kinda eluded to that before. However Tigra, Shala and Shathra have plenty of tape of them nuking fights outside of the cosmic class.
Jug literally the goat not sure why you’re saying he not versatile. Not alot of champs even place debuffs on you in the first place. Just found out he can do Zola which is insane. So can Shathra btw cuz she a Queen. As far as Longshot he the best counter to cosmic heavy matchups yes. But he also capable of getting Domino, KM, Sentinel, Red Skull, Enchantress, WPX and others in 40-50secs. Again you’re severely underestimating yet another champ.
hmm well everyone has different views ig, I do agree with most of your points but I still stand by my opinion that chavez is very versatile and has great damage and decent bgs time too. I understand juggy and longshot's potential I love to use them very much every opportunity I get, was even considering longshot r4 but decided to stall my r4s longer because yes. Anyways I think this discussion won't really lead anywhere cause I don't really use champions outside their best matchups and don't intend to so can not provide much info on that.
I agree all other mystic champions are monsters, I'm a fan of most mystics myself except hood cause I think I've been using him wrong or he's just super underwhelming at r1 or low sig, but that's just me, was just defending chavez on the topic of her being fallen off and not calling other mystics bad comparatively or slower.
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The only fights Chavez has “similar” speed to Kushala is some cosmic fights. Chavez is heavily reliant on defender having buffs and needs to crit sp2. The champs I mentioned don’t have these handicap as they don’t rely on RNG. Which makes them consistent from fight to fight. I suggest looking into some of these champs a bit more. Chavez is still a great champ but towards the top of bgs and even in my tier of BGs she almost non-existent.
Tigra is about to join here in a couple of weeks and she another champ that’ll make Chavez look mid. Also some fight I’ve seen from Mordo and Sosu (Sorcerer Supreme) I would take over Chavez. They’re doing Serpent/Thanos fights in getting 50k + scores. They’re actually pretty insane, look up my guy Scorpii mans out here cooking hard with them.
But disagree with OP, I don’t use Chavez as much anymore for sure but I still use her quite a bit and she’s reliable for a lot of battlegrounds stuff. She’s always been crit reliant though
also here is Nick's showcase of best mystics to fight serpent along with time, chavez is still one of the safest serpent counters and has alot to offer aswell. Sure she isn't the fastest mystic but by no means she can be considered "fallen off", she's very much relevant in every gamemode including bgs and does have speed in other matchups like onslaught, korg etc, she can be slowed down in very tanky and buff-less defenders like sassy or rintrah but every champion has their weak matchups.
Getting back to longshot and juggs, they literally can't be used in alot of matchups due to alot of factors like debuffs in case of juggernaut and immunities in case of longshot, and thats coming as a owner of both r3 juggs and longshot. In BGs along with speed and health, versatility matters aswell and chavez has alot of versatility, great sustainability and decent damage/speed.
Another champion you can argue is wiger, has speed and decent utility for bgs but again she isn't the fastest and is more or less the same timing as chavez in most matchups, same for wwbn but everything varies with different metas, the player who is using them and the defender they are fighting.
You really haven’t proved Chavez versatility. She isn’t great outside of cosmic fights. You already kinda eluded to that before. However Tigra, Shala and Shathra have plenty of tape of them nuking fights outside of the cosmic class.
Jug literally the goat not sure why you’re saying he not versatile. Not alot of champs even place debuffs on you in the first place. Just found out he can do Zola which is insane. So can Shathra btw cuz she a Queen. As far as Longshot he the best counter to cosmic heavy matchups yes. But he also capable of getting Domino, KM, Sentinel, Red Skull, Enchantress, WPX and others in 40-50secs. Again you’re severely underestimating yet another champ.
I agree all other mystic champions are monsters, I'm a fan of most mystics myself except hood cause I think I've been using him wrong or he's just super underwhelming at r1 or low sig, but that's just me, was just defending chavez on the topic of her being fallen off and not calling other mystics bad comparatively or slower.
I might rank up mine now