If you don’t play tigra much/don’t plan to properly learn her, and you aren’t that competitive in modes like Bg’s, I’d probably invest more into FAM.
Listen to him guys. We don't need more players trying to use tigra and just fumbling. Ignore this bad champ completely. Its for your own good. TRUST ME! in allcaps.
Depends on if you’re thinking about meta BG defenders or not. Can’t think of many situations on the current war map where FAM is the best tech attack option. Because he has good defense value I said he’s debatable.
Same with Nick. People are just too good at fighting Nick now and he never had much attacker use in war other than a few niche situations which there are better options for.
If these champs where at the top of their class, they’d be getting the same treatment as Hulking.
I’m guessing that they feel Tigra is easy to shut down in lots of situations but I posted in the other thread that Tigra is equivalent to Hulkling (and sent two examples of Red Skull fights) on attack so I disagree with Kabam there.
Arcade- dual threat untouchable in general attacking because of auto block Iron heart - lots of utility good damage Prowler - no introduction needed Zola - dual threat amazing defender crazy in attack Iron man og - one of the tankiest champs in the game regen is so potent it might as well be a second life damage is egregious Hulk buster crazy power control massive damage Shocker - obvious Starky - obvious Bastion I like fant but defo not the best tech his damage is good but he’s horribly ai reliant with the intercepts mcoc encyclopaedia explains it quite well honestly
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Arcade - only a defender mostly, can be shut down easier than FAM
Ironman OG- no? FAM outclasses his damage and defensive ability and utility. HB no but he’s good, not used as much
He has an AI aggression mechanic and I’ve never had trouble getting him into surging swarm. He has a lot of versatility too and one of the best power control abilities in the game
The others are definitely great (Starky, Prowler, Ironheart) they don’t have the same defensive capabilities but they’re amazing
Bros are placing prowler as number 1's on their lists 😭😭 Best tech is either fam, starky a debatable number 3 is shocker/Sentinel or red skull
The rest are too one sided and not exactly GREAT at the role they're meant to dominate in and y'all spray around that "dual threat" word because alot of your "dual threats" are not threats to anyone on attack.
Also, for the most part, I kinda agree with @HungaryHippo skill placements, I'd switch a couple spots but those listed champs( and a few others) are the only champs I can think of in the conversation for top skills.
As for tech, its slowly becoming what y'all think skill is because its becoming defender heavy as the only REALLY GREAT attacker i can think of are starky and shocker.
Prowler is great. Most people at the top of BGs use him and he’s invaluable, you ranked him unduped (which is your fault) and now think he’s somehow overrated even though he’s one of the most reliable tech nukes out there
My prowler is sig 161 and I still think exactly that. Tried him in rol a few days ago to see if I can get some motivation to sig 200 and was still getting left at 5 ruptures total so the improvement I was expecting from an unduped version was non existent.
So I wouldn't exactly put him in the "reliable/consistent" category especially when you have shocker or starky who do not depend on RNG.
I rarely use him and on fights I did(cos i thought he was my best option) he always disappointed. But maybe you "A PRO" can give me some meta defenders he is ideal for and im not talking about ones that he "manages to take" im talking about fights that he can easily dogwalk. Cos the last time I remember using him was about 2-3 months ago against a korg after that that disappointing fight, I never drafted him.
Also, a large chunk of that damage is in that incinerate and getting it on especially with difficult nodes such as the one we have now is UNRELIABLE.
I have used him in epoch or questing once or twice that's about it. I do not think he is an insane attacker or is comparable to the attacking staples of the cosmic, mutant and science classes unfortunately. Starky and shocker definitely are despite their lack of utility.
Also he suffers from the same AI dependence alot of people are convincing themselves that FAM suffers from which is if AI throws that special a Lil too early that sp2 is WEAK and his rotation is damn near ruined. He power drains BACK TO 0 so its not like you can easily get them back to 1.9 bars in a few hits and pop the sp2 at max furies. If that AI doesn't cooperate he will either have to go to an sp3 or pop that sp1 to get rid of too much power.
That alongside that incinerate that you have to watch out for is WAYY too much work and needing sig 200 for somewhat good damage when I could easily just use someone who doesn't have to do all those dilly dallying and still give me GREAT damage is not exactly the best thing in the world.
All in all, I'm open to counter arguments which is why I asked you to tell me a couple things (earlier) as I genuinely am looking for a reason to continue my investment. I just have never NEEDED prowler. If its for Domino, I already have shocker, guardian and even warlock (3 champs that I do not have to worry about playing around as well as playing around nodes in battlegrounds). I genuinely want to think he's great, he just has never done anything that made me think he was the best in ANYTHING.
My prowler is sig 161 and I still think exactly that. Tried him in rol a few days ago to see if I can get some motivation to sig 200 and was still getting left at 5 ruptures total so the improvement I was expecting from an unduped version was non existent.
So I wouldn't exactly put him in the "reliable/consistent" category especially when you have shocker or starky who do not depend on RNG.
I rarely use him and on fights I did(cos i thought he was my best option) he always disappointed. But maybe you "A PRO" can give me some meta defenders he is ideal for and im not talking about ones that he "manages to take" im talking about fights that he can easily dogwalk. Cos the last time I remember using him was about 2-3 months ago against a korg after that that disappointing fight, I never drafted him.
Also, a large chunk of that damage is in that incinerate and getting it on especially with difficult nodes such as the one we have now is UNRELIABLE.
I have used him in epoch or questing once or twice that's about it. I do not think he is an insane attacker or is comparable to the attacking staples of the cosmic, mutant and science classes unfortunately. Starky and shocker definitely are despite their lack of utility.
Also he suffers from the same AI dependence alot of people are convincing themselves that FAM suffers from which is if AI throws that special a Lil too early that sp2 is WEAK and his rotation is damn near ruined. He power drains BACK TO 0 so its not like you can easily get them back to 1.9 bars in a few hits and pop the sp2 at max furies. If that AI doesn't cooperate he will either have to go to an sp3 or pop that sp1 to get rid of too much power.
That alongside that incinerate that you have to watch out for is WAYY too much work and needing sig 200 for somewhat good damage when I could easily just use someone who doesn't have to do all those dilly dallying and still give me GREAT damage is not exactly the best thing in the world.
All in all, I'm open to counter arguments which is why I asked you to tell me a couple things (earlier) as I genuinely am looking for a reason to continue my investment. I just have never NEEDED prowler. If its for Domino, I already have shocker, guardian and even warlock (3 champs that I do not have to worry about playing around as well as playing around nodes in battlegrounds). I genuinely want to think he's great, he just has never done anything that made me think he was the best in ANYTHING.
The 40 sigs makes a lot more difference in damage. I agree he is reliant on lot of factos with a quite right rotation. Definitely not top1 or even top 3. I wouldnt put him top 5 too.
Shocker, FAM, Starky, Sentinel are clearly better tha him in bgs. Arnim zola, arccade, redskull have better defensive value and Even ironheart and jack are better than him against muties. He is versatile but dont counter anything specific.
My prowler is sig 161 and I still think exactly that. Tried him in rol a few days ago to see if I can get some motivation to sig 200 and was still getting left at 5 ruptures total so the improvement I was expecting from an unduped version was non existent.
So I wouldn't exactly put him in the "reliable/consistent" category especially when you have shocker or starky who do not depend on RNG.
I rarely use him and on fights I did(cos i thought he was my best option) he always disappointed. But maybe you "A PRO" can give me some meta defenders he is ideal for and im not talking about ones that he "manages to take" im talking about fights that he can easily dogwalk. Cos the last time I remember using him was about 2-3 months ago against a korg after that that disappointing fight, I never drafted him.
Also, a large chunk of that damage is in that incinerate and getting it on especially with difficult nodes such as the one we have now is UNRELIABLE.
I have used him in epoch or questing once or twice that's about it. I do not think he is an insane attacker or is comparable to the attacking staples of the cosmic, mutant and science classes unfortunately. Starky and shocker definitely are despite their lack of utility.
Also he suffers from the same AI dependence alot of people are convincing themselves that FAM suffers from which is if AI throws that special a Lil too early that sp2 is WEAK and his rotation is damn near ruined. He power drains BACK TO 0 so its not like you can easily get them back to 1.9 bars in a few hits and pop the sp2 at max furies. If that AI doesn't cooperate he will either have to go to an sp3 or pop that sp1 to get rid of too much power.
That alongside that incinerate that you have to watch out for is WAYY too much work and needing sig 200 for somewhat good damage when I could easily just use someone who doesn't have to do all those dilly dallying and still give me GREAT damage is not exactly the best thing in the world.
All in all, I'm open to counter arguments which is why I asked you to tell me a couple things (earlier) as I genuinely am looking for a reason to continue my investment. I just have never NEEDED prowler. If its for Domino, I already have shocker, guardian and even warlock (3 champs that I do not have to worry about playing around as well as playing around nodes in battlegrounds). I genuinely want to think he's great, he just has never done anything that made me think he was the best in ANYTHING.
He gets 90% of his crit rating in the last 40 sigs. 160 means nothing, he barely gains much from it compared to 200
You don’t really need AI cooperation and he still cooks, and you can block bait …even without the incinerate he can take ROL healthpools in under 50 seconds
It’s not even that much work imo, bait a special, heavy if they can be incinerated, sp2. Onslaught can’t be incinerated and I cooked a r3 onslaught this power gain/indestructible meta where I had to wait out those and still finished in 50 seconds
He can take Dust, Domino, Onslaught, Sinister, anyone in the mutant class easily even without the incinerate. Just most general matchups he works for and does well. I’d go watch trappy’s vids on him
Arcade- dual threat untouchable in general attacking because of auto block Iron heart - lots of utility good damage Prowler - no introduction needed Zola - dual threat amazing defender crazy in attack Iron man og - one of the tankiest champs in the game regen is so potent it might as well be a second life damage is egregious Hulk buster crazy power control massive damage Shocker - obvious Starky - obvious Bastion I like fant but defo not the best tech his damage is good but he’s horribly ai reliant with the intercepts mcoc encyclopaedia explains it quite well honestly
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Arcade - only a defender mostly, can be shut down easier than FAM
Ironman OG- no? FAM outclasses his damage and defensive ability and utility. HB no but he’s good, not used as much
He has an AI aggression mechanic and I’ve never had trouble getting him into surging swarm. He has a lot of versatility too and one of the best power control abilities in the game
The others are definitely great (Starky, Prowler, Ironheart) they don’t have the same defensive capabilities but they’re amazing
Yeah spot on I saw a video on fantman in necropolis and he was putting in some work. I badly underestimated his damge
With the caveat that I haven't tested out the 7* version: She's up there for sure, but she needs skilled hands and (at least preferably) high sig. The things she can do is insane if you're good at punishing specials and heavies.
That being said, there are also quite a few things that hinders her and she's been out of the meta discussion for quite a while at this point. As such, it's a little hard to say how many things have entered the game since her heyday that will screw you over nowadays. I haven't tested her out against any of the newest meta champions since I haven't used my 6* in ages, so I don't know if she's as dominant as she used to be. When she was first released, neutralize was her niche alone and there weren't really any counters to it. Now, there are not just Science champions that are immune to it, but Cosmic champions as well. She's re-entering a very different Contest than the one she (more or less) left.
Arcade- dual threat untouchable in general attacking because of auto block Iron heart - lots of utility good damage Prowler - no introduction needed Zola - dual threat amazing defender crazy in attack Iron man og - one of the tankiest champs in the game regen is so potent it might as well be a second life damage is egregious Hulk buster crazy power control massive damage Shocker - obvious Starky - obvious Bastion I like fant but defo not the best tech his damage is good but he’s horribly ai reliant with the intercepts mcoc encyclopaedia explains it quite well honestly
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Iron man's regen is only that potent if it doesn't randomly activate on the first special you use when he's at 99% health because you breathed near the screen lmao
Arcade- dual threat untouchable in general attacking because of auto block Iron heart - lots of utility good damage Prowler - no introduction needed Zola - dual threat amazing defender crazy in attack Iron man og - one of the tankiest champs in the game regen is so potent it might as well be a second life damage is egregious Hulk buster crazy power control massive damage Shocker - obvious Starky - obvious Bastion I like fant but defo not the best tech his damage is good but he’s horribly ai reliant with the intercepts mcoc encyclopaedia explains it quite well honestly
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Iron man's regen is only that potent if it doesn't randomly activate on the first special you use when he's at 99% health because you breathed near the screen lmao
Never really had that issue. Why would you press twice during your own specials unintentionally?
I’m an okayish Tigra player. I get her kit and how you’re supposed to play her. Thing is, you have to be good at playing her, including knowing spacing for each fight, but you also need AI cooperation for her to be peak and we all know how awful the AI is. If you get a passive AI who just full combos into block, won’t throw heavies, and won’t throw specials, she’s a bad time. In most cases I’d probably rather just go with Jugg, Wolf, Longshot, Hood, etc rather than hoping for a cooperative AI.
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We don't need more players trying to use tigra and just fumbling. Ignore this bad champ completely. Its for your own good.
TRUST ME! in allcaps.
Same with Nick. People are just too good at fighting Nick now and he never had much attacker use in war other than a few niche situations which there are better options for.
If these champs where at the top of their class, they’d be getting the same treatment as Hulking.
I’m guessing that they feel Tigra is easy to shut down in lots of situations but I posted in the other thread that Tigra is equivalent to Hulkling (and sent two examples of Red Skull fights) on attack so I disagree with Kabam there.
Ironman OG- no? FAM outclasses his damage and defensive ability and utility. HB no but he’s good, not used as much
He has an AI aggression mechanic and I’ve never had trouble getting him into surging swarm. He has a lot of versatility too and one of the best power control abilities in the game
The others are definitely great (Starky, Prowler, Ironheart) they don’t have the same defensive capabilities but they’re amazing
Tried him in rol a few days ago to see if I can get some motivation to sig 200 and was still getting left at 5 ruptures total so the improvement I was expecting from an unduped version was non existent.
So I wouldn't exactly put him in the "reliable/consistent" category especially when you have shocker or starky who do not depend on RNG.
I rarely use him and on fights I did(cos i thought he was my best option) he always disappointed. But maybe you "A PRO" can give me some meta defenders he is ideal for and im not talking about ones that he "manages to take" im talking about fights that he can easily dogwalk. Cos the last time I remember using him was about 2-3 months ago against a korg after that that disappointing fight, I never drafted him.
Also, a large chunk of that damage is in that incinerate and getting it on especially with difficult nodes such as the one we have now is UNRELIABLE.
I have used him in epoch or questing once or twice that's about it. I do not think he is an insane attacker or is comparable to the attacking staples of the cosmic, mutant and science classes unfortunately. Starky and shocker definitely are despite their lack of utility.
Also he suffers from the same AI dependence alot of people are convincing themselves that FAM suffers from which is if AI throws that special a Lil too early that sp2 is WEAK and his rotation is damn near ruined. He power drains BACK TO 0 so its not like you can easily get them back to 1.9 bars in a few hits and pop the sp2 at max furies. If that AI doesn't cooperate he will either have to go to an sp3 or pop that sp1 to get rid of too much power.
That alongside that incinerate that you have to watch out for is WAYY too much work and needing sig 200 for somewhat good damage when I could easily just use someone who doesn't have to do all those dilly dallying and still give me GREAT damage is not exactly the best thing in the world.
All in all, I'm open to counter arguments which is why I asked you to tell me a couple things (earlier) as I genuinely am looking for a reason to continue my investment. I just have never NEEDED prowler. If its for Domino, I already have shocker, guardian and even warlock (3 champs that I do not have to worry about playing around as well as playing around nodes in battlegrounds).
I genuinely want to think he's great, he just has never done anything that made me think he was the best in ANYTHING.
Shocker, FAM, Starky, Sentinel are clearly better tha him in bgs. Arnim zola, arccade, redskull have better defensive value and Even ironheart and jack are better than him against muties. He is versatile but dont counter anything specific.
You don’t really need AI cooperation and he still cooks, and you can block bait …even without the incinerate he can take ROL healthpools in under 50 seconds
It’s not even that much work imo, bait a special, heavy if they can be incinerated, sp2. Onslaught can’t be incinerated and I cooked a r3 onslaught this power gain/indestructible meta where I had to wait out those and still finished in 50 seconds
He can take Dust, Domino, Onslaught, Sinister, anyone in the mutant class easily even without the incinerate. Just most general matchups he works for and does well. I’d go watch trappy’s vids on him
That being said, there are also quite a few things that hinders her and she's been out of the meta discussion for quite a while at this point. As such, it's a little hard to say how many things have entered the game since her heyday that will screw you over nowadays. I haven't tested her out against any of the newest meta champions since I haven't used my 6* in ages, so I don't know if she's as dominant as she used to be. When she was first released, neutralize was her niche alone and there weren't really any counters to it. Now, there are not just Science champions that are immune to it, but Cosmic champions as well. She's re-entering a very different Contest than the one she (more or less) left.