This new AW idea is fire

ToniXD_16 · May 15

I know a lot of people are scared of change and dont like this new concept but me personally absolutely LOVE this new spin on AW keeps things fresh and the old style was really getting kinda boring, hope to see more things like this

summerdeer · May 15

this is one of their best newer things that they added hope aw stays this way

Matty_Ice · May 15

This would have been great as a change to AQ, in my opinion. That mode has been boring and stale for years. The problem with changing war is the people who like war as it was are going to strongly dislike this. The strategizing of war was what made the experience fun. There’s going to be little strategizing in the long run. It’s going to become champ A on node 1 every war. And champ B on node 2. And so on and so on. War will become even more repetitive of doing the same fight every time. It’s fun now because it’s new, but personally don’t see it being fun for very long.

In this mode champs that need ramp, such as Corvus and mojo, are going to be pretty much useless. I personally would rank up champs for war, but now only needing 1 op defender and a select handful of attackers diminishes the need to fill holes in my roster.

I’ll give it a chance, but I’m not seeing this being great long term.

FunnyDude · May 15

You are saying doing one fight every two days is interesting? Why are we still playing this game.
I bet Kabam will see many players quit the game if they made this permanent

Andremlopes · May 15

Matty_Ice said:
This would have been great as a change to AQ, in my opinion. That mode has been boring and stale for years. The problem with changing war is the people who like war as it was are going to strongly dislike this. The strategizing of war was what made the experience fun. There’s going to be little strategizing in the long run. It’s going to become champ A on node 1 every war. And champ B on node 2. And so on and so on. War will become even more repetitive of doing the same fight every time. It’s fun now because it’s new, but personally don’t see it being fun for very long.

In this mode champs that need ramp, such as Corvus and mojo, are going to be pretty much useless. I personally would rank up champs for war, but now only needing 1 op defender and a select handful of attackers diminishes the need to fill holes in my roster.

I’ll give it a chance, but I’m not seeing this being great long term.

I agree with every point you made... I will just add one more thing... Youtube videos of war are going to be boring IF they keep being made... It will be boring to watch and nobody will care to make them...

Great change if that was made to AQ or even to RAID... To war I believe it was not a good change

VanillaCoke · May 15

FunnyDude said:
You are saying doing one fight every two days is interesting? Why are we still playing this game.
I bet Kabam will see many players quit the game if they made this permanent

You do realize that most of the player base does not play in high tier war where this supposed “strategy and planning” takes place? If by “many players quit[ting]” you mean those in Masters Alliance, sure. I’m sure Kabam would like to retain as many players as possible, but it’s also an inevitability that some players quit/lose interest/etc. However, Kabam’s main priority is retaining a majority of the player base. And if they like this new format, it will stay.

ToniXD_16 · May 15

FunnyDude said:
You are saying doing one fight every two days is interesting? Why are we still playing this game.
I bet Kabam will see many players quit the game if they made this permanent

Yes

FunnyDude · May 15

VanillaCoke said:

FunnyDude said:
You are saying doing one fight every two days is interesting? Why are we still playing this game.
I bet Kabam will see many players quit the game if they made this permanent
You do realize that most of the player base does not play in high tier war where this supposed “strategy and planning” takes place? If by “many players quit[ting]” you mean those in Masters Alliance, sure. I’m sure Kabam would like to retain as many players as possible, but it’s also an inevitability that some players quit/lose interest/etc. However, Kabam’s main priority is retaining a majority of the player base. And if they like this new format, it will stay.

You have no idea about ecosystem of players, top tier alliances are predators of the ecosystem, game will be sick and eventually die without top tier players, this is the fact of all games.

VanillaCoke · May 15

FunnyDude said:

VanillaCoke said:

FunnyDude said:
You are saying doing one fight every two days is interesting? Why are we still playing this game.
I bet Kabam will see many players quit the game if they made this permanent
You do realize that most of the player base does not play in high tier war where this supposed “strategy and planning” takes place? If by “many players quit[ting]” you mean those in Masters Alliance, sure. I’m sure Kabam would like to retain as many players as possible, but it’s also an inevitability that some players quit/lose interest/etc. However, Kabam’s main priority is retaining a majority of the player base. And if they like this new format, it will stay.
You have no idea about ecosystem of players, top tier alliances are predators of the ecosystem, game will be sick and eventually die without top tier players, this is the fact of all games.

You have no idea about the ecosystem of MCOC. Top tier players and alliances have come and gone throughout the years. You may be too young, but there were alliances like MMXIV, ISO8a, etc who used to dominate the scene. Now it’s different.

There will always be top tier players and alliances because there will always be juicy rewards for the best performing alliances, whether you agree or not.

TotemCorruption · May 15

VanillaCoke said:

FunnyDude said:
You are saying doing one fight every two days is interesting? Why are we still playing this game.
I bet Kabam will see many players quit the game if they made this permanent
You do realize that most of the player base does not play in high tier war where this supposed “strategy and planning” takes place? If by “many players quit[ting]” you mean those in Masters Alliance, sure. I’m sure Kabam would like to retain as many players as possible, but it’s also an inevitability that some players quit/lose interest/etc. However, Kabam’s main priority is retaining a majority of the player base. And if they like this new format, it will stay.

FunnyDude · May 15

VanillaCoke said:

FunnyDude said:

VanillaCoke said:

FunnyDude said:
You are saying doing one fight every two days is interesting? Why are we still playing this game.
I bet Kabam will see many players quit the game if they made this permanent
You do realize that most of the player base does not play in high tier war where this supposed “strategy and planning” takes place? If by “many players quit[ting]” you mean those in Masters Alliance, sure. I’m sure Kabam would like to retain as many players as possible, but it’s also an inevitability that some players quit/lose interest/etc. However, Kabam’s main priority is retaining a majority of the player base. And if they like this new format, it will stay.
You have no idea about ecosystem of players, top tier alliances are predators of the ecosystem, game will be sick and eventually die without top tier players, this is the fact of all games.
You have no idea about the ecosystem of MCOC. Top tier players and alliances have come and gone throughout the years. You may be too young, but there were alliances like MMXIV, ISO8a, etc who used to dominate the scene. Now it’s different.

There will always be top tier players and alliances because there will always be juicy rewards for the best performing alliances, whether you agree or not.

People pay for sitting at the top, not for collecting icons.
No point to debate with someone knows nothing, if Kabam wants to do this, just do it and let’s see how it will go.

ShiroMikazuki · May 15

ToniXD_16 said:
I know a lot of people are scared of change and dont like this new concept but me personally absolutely LOVE this new spin on AW keeps things fresh and the old style was really getting kinda boring, hope to see more things like this

If there was a 🧢 reaction you’d be at like 100 caps by now

PT_99 · May 15

VanillaCoke said:

FunnyDude said:
You are saying doing one fight every two days is interesting? Why are we still playing this game.
I bet Kabam will see many players quit the game if they made this permanent
You do realize that most of the player base does not play in high tier war where this supposed “strategy and planning” takes place? If by “many players quit[ting]” you mean those in Masters Alliance, sure. I’m sure Kabam would like to retain as many players as possible, but it’s also an inevitability that some players quit/lose interest/etc. However, Kabam’s main priority is retaining a majority of the player base. And if they like this new format, it will stay.

And you do realise that most if not all money revenue from war comes from high tier wars?
They're the ones who are buying bundles, boosts, potions before every single fight just to not die because 1 silly death means whole war is lost.

Now the whole risk is put down in hole, for what?
"Hahahaha, what if only 1 fight per war hhahah"

Big L

FiiNCH · May 15

I personally think it’s boring as hell, and really waters down the AW format to nothing. It’s basically a side quest at this point.

VanillaCoke · May 15

PT_99 said:

VanillaCoke said:

FunnyDude said:
You are saying doing one fight every two days is interesting? Why are we still playing this game.
I bet Kabam will see many players quit the game if they made this permanent
You do realize that most of the player base does not play in high tier war where this supposed “strategy and planning” takes place? If by “many players quit[ting]” you mean those in Masters Alliance, sure. I’m sure Kabam would like to retain as many players as possible, but it’s also an inevitability that some players quit/lose interest/etc. However, Kabam’s main priority is retaining a majority of the player base. And if they like this new format, it will stay.
And you do realise that most if not all money revenue from war comes from high tier wars?
They're the ones who are buying bundles, boosts, potions before every single fight just to not die because 1 silly death means whole war is lost.

Now the whole risk is put down in hole, for what?
"Hahahaha, what if only 1 fight per war hhahah"

Big L

“Oh gee. I wonder what has a bigger revenue stream: Masters AW (only top 20 alliances) or our LARGEST REVENUE MAKERS which are July 4th, Cyber Weekend, Christmas, etc.”

FunnyDude · May 15

VanillaCoke said:

PT_99 said:

VanillaCoke said:

FunnyDude said:
You are saying doing one fight every two days is interesting? Why are we still playing this game.
I bet Kabam will see many players quit the game if they made this permanent
You do realize that most of the player base does not play in high tier war where this supposed “strategy and planning” takes place? If by “many players quit[ting]” you mean those in Masters Alliance, sure. I’m sure Kabam would like to retain as many players as possible, but it’s also an inevitability that some players quit/lose interest/etc. However, Kabam’s main priority is retaining a majority of the player base. And if they like this new format, it will stay.
And you do realise that most if not all money revenue from war comes from high tier wars?
They're the ones who are buying bundles, boosts, potions before every single fight just to not die because 1 silly death means whole war is lost.

Now the whole risk is put down in hole, for what?
"Hahahaha, what if only 1 fight per war hhahah"

Big L
“Oh gee. I wonder what has a bigger revenue stream: Masters AW (only top 20 alliances) or our LARGEST REVENUE MAKERS which are July 4th, Cyber Weekend, Christmas, etc.”

Guess what, master alliances spend in those events to stay in master, other alliances spend in those events to beat master alliances in war or beat members of master alliances in BG.
This is ecosystem of all games, stay at the top or try to beat the top, not collecting icons.

Wakandas_Finest · May 15

VanillaCoke said:

PT_99 said:

VanillaCoke said:

FunnyDude said:
You are saying doing one fight every two days is interesting? Why are we still playing this game.
I bet Kabam will see many players quit the game if they made this permanent
You do realize that most of the player base does not play in high tier war where this supposed “strategy and planning” takes place? If by “many players quit[ting]” you mean those in Masters Alliance, sure. I’m sure Kabam would like to retain as many players as possible, but it’s also an inevitability that some players quit/lose interest/etc. However, Kabam’s main priority is retaining a majority of the player base. And if they like this new format, it will stay.
And you do realise that most if not all money revenue from war comes from high tier wars?
They're the ones who are buying bundles, boosts, potions before every single fight just to not die because 1 silly death means whole war is lost.

Now the whole risk is put down in hole, for what?
"Hahahaha, what if only 1 fight per war hhahah"

Big L
“Oh gee. I wonder what has a bigger revenue stream: Masters AW (only top 20 alliances) or our LARGEST REVENUE MAKERS which are July 4th, Cyber Weekend, Christmas, etc.”

While those events are huge money makers it takes more than 4-5 events a year to fund the game. AW is probably the only reason top players spend in those events this watering down of aw would hurt those mega event sales.

PT_99 · May 15

VanillaCoke said:

PT_99 said:

VanillaCoke said:

FunnyDude said:
You are saying doing one fight every two days is interesting? Why are we still playing this game.
I bet Kabam will see many players quit the game if they made this permanent
You do realize that most of the player base does not play in high tier war where this supposed “strategy and planning” takes place? If by “many players quit[ting]” you mean those in Masters Alliance, sure. I’m sure Kabam would like to retain as many players as possible, but it’s also an inevitability that some players quit/lose interest/etc. However, Kabam’s main priority is retaining a majority of the player base. And if they like this new format, it will stay.
And you do realise that most if not all money revenue from war comes from high tier wars?
They're the ones who are buying bundles, boosts, potions before every single fight just to not die because 1 silly death means whole war is lost.

Now the whole risk is put down in hole, for what?
"Hahahaha, what if only 1 fight per war hhahah"

Big L
“Oh gee. I wonder what has a bigger revenue stream: Masters AW (only top 20 alliances) or our LARGEST REVENUE MAKERS which are July 4th, Cyber Weekend, Christmas, etc.”

Completely missed the point,
I was specifically talking about revenue from AW

KnightNvrEnding · May 15

New format is cool for those few seconds you get to see those big yellow numbers after that it’s just hot garbage lol the team the team effort is cut way down and you do ONE fight a “war”? Nah this ain’t it lol

SirGamesBond · May 15

Using your best attacker against the same defender for 12 wars + 6 off season wars.
6 weeks.
wAaAw!!!
How interesting and unique and fun and stuff.

Herbal_Taxman · May 15

Wakandas_Finest said:

VanillaCoke said:

PT_99 said:

VanillaCoke said:

FunnyDude said:
You are saying doing one fight every two days is interesting? Why are we still playing this game.
I bet Kabam will see many players quit the game if they made this permanent
You do realize that most of the player base does not play in high tier war where this supposed “strategy and planning” takes place? If by “many players quit[ting]” you mean those in Masters Alliance, sure. I’m sure Kabam would like to retain as many players as possible, but it’s also an inevitability that some players quit/lose interest/etc. However, Kabam’s main priority is retaining a majority of the player base. And if they like this new format, it will stay.
And you do realise that most if not all money revenue from war comes from high tier wars?
They're the ones who are buying bundles, boosts, potions before every single fight just to not die because 1 silly death means whole war is lost.

Now the whole risk is put down in hole, for what?
"Hahahaha, what if only 1 fight per war hhahah"

Big L
“Oh gee. I wonder what has a bigger revenue stream: Masters AW (only top 20 alliances) or our LARGEST REVENUE MAKERS which are July 4th, Cyber Weekend, Christmas, etc.”
While those events are huge money makers it takes more than 4-5 events a year to fund the game. AW is probably the only reason top players spend in those events this watering down of aw would hurt those mega event sales.

We can all speculate about the financial importance of several hundred Masters players vs the rest of the player base, but Kabam doesn’t have to speculate. They have the data and I’m sure it was taken into account when they launched this (admittedly odd) experiment.

ToniXD_16 · May 15

ShiroMikazuki said:

ToniXD_16 said:
I know a lot of people are scared of change and dont like this new concept but me personally absolutely LOVE this new spin on AW keeps things fresh and the old style was really getting kinda boring, hope to see more things like this
If there was a 🧢 reaction you’d be at like 100 caps by now

What? You need to go get checked out sir is it wrong to have opinions these days?

dr2ws · May 15

Low/Mid Tier War: ✅

High Tier War: ❎

As a Mid Tier player I enjoyed this a lot.

Abspain101 · May 15

FunnyDude said:
You are saying doing one fight every two days is interesting? Why are we still playing this game.
I bet Kabam will see many players quit the game if they made this permanent

They did say if they did make this perm the top masters and tier alliances would stay the same since they know they enjoy that part if war and they would look to make this perm for the lower tier wars so none of the masters alliances will leave if this became permanent

LoveScarlet · May 16

Abspain101 said:

FunnyDude said:
You are saying doing one fight every two days is interesting? Why are we still playing this game.
I bet Kabam will see many players quit the game if they made this permanent
They did say if they did make this perm the top masters and tier alliances would stay the same since they know they enjoy that part if war and they would look to make this perm for the lower tier wars so none of the masters alliances will leave if this became permanent

It is OK to keep both, the new weird thing can be a new game mode, or war mode for T4/T5/T6....

Roth · May 16

VanillaCoke said:

FunnyDude said:
You are saying doing one fight every two days is interesting? Why are we still playing this game.
I bet Kabam will see many players quit the game if they made this permanent
You do realize that most of the player base does not play in high tier war where this supposed “strategy and planning” takes place? If by “many players quit[ting]” you mean those in Masters Alliance, sure. I’m sure Kabam would like to retain as many players as possible, but it’s also an inevitability that some players quit/lose interest/etc. However, Kabam’s main priority is retaining a majority of the player base. And if they like this new format, it will stay.

catering to only one side of a player base never goes well in any game. haven’t we learned this by now?

if you honestly believe that catering to “most of the player base” by any means, including scuffing the game for people who actually like to strategize, plan, etc will keep the game alive then i have a bridge to sell you. those “masters alliances” are the hardcore players that keep this game going.

BigBlueOx · May 16

This isn’t design problem it’s a bad incentives problem. Reward distribution compared to cost of competition are not distributed in a way that makes sense outside of masters.

Abspain101 · May 16

LoveScarlet said:

Abspain101 said:

FunnyDude said:
You are saying doing one fight every two days is interesting? Why are we still playing this game.
I bet Kabam will see many players quit the game if they made this permanent
They did say if they did make this perm the top masters and tier alliances would stay the same since they know they enjoy that part of war and they would look to make this perm for the lower tier wars so none of the masters alliances will leave if this became permanent
It is OK to keep both, the new weird thing can be a new game mode, or war mode for T4/T5/T6....

that is exactly what i was saying the masters high tier war will be the regular format and the lower tier wars would be how it is going to be this season if they decide to make this format permanent i am guessing that the normal format would be for t1-t3 or even t4 and the tiers below that would be this current format

卩丂Ƴ匚卄ØりƳ几卂爪丨匚丂 · May 16

As a player who has been playing more than 7 years, im disappointed… a long with other friends…. Bc the only thing i love in the game is AW, try some deffenders with new Champions or buy the war boost everytime, now i think , it lost the point, is almost like if Alliance War, go to a sad: “Solo War” besides the category, some times when the AW is with same bonus at the end, and check the time is the key to win or loose, even more…now if just one day, one person loose 1 bonus…. I think is going to be more notorious and kicked out of the alliance, just like that, bc for 1 person can make loose the entire alliance…
I hope Kabam finds a solution, or maybe somethinng in the middle of both maps.

psp742 · May 16

What the heck is Big Things: Force charge and Challenge debuff..
I usually don't read nodes unless they get annoying.. but even after reading it i don't get it.. can someone explain it to me.. I am not as active as before so it is difficult to grasp.

winterthur · May 16

@psp742 said:
What the heck is Big Things: Force charge and Challenge debuff..
I usually don't read nodes unless they get annoying.. but even after reading it i don't get it.. can someone explain it to me.. I am not as active as before so it is difficult to grasp.

1/ Bring Saga Champs
2/ Play or bring champs that meet the node requirement to gain high damage (e.g punish heavy or being incinerate immune)

This new AW idea is fire

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