AI issues accountability

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• JackTheSnack Member Posts: 1,749 ★★★★

  May 25

  I wouldn’t say it’s been terrible lately besides one of my attacks literally making contact and then getting smacked in the face by a special intercept from the opponent

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• JESUSCHRIST Member Posts: 1,587 ★★★★

  May 25

  The AI refuse to throw special until 3 bars and corners you bcos you can't hit back unless you want to give AI 3 bars

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• JESUSCHRIST Member Posts: 1,587 ★★★★

  May 25

  It's borderline unplayable atm

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• HungaryHippo Member Posts: 1,166 ★★★★

  May 25

  Watching Empy’s tournament and they are also complaining about the AI. But the Uru Kabam defenders will keep disagreeing. I said it months ago.
  
  https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/393069/the-deep-dive-ai-is-not-what-we-need-right-now#latest

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• Chuck_Finley Member Posts: 1,784 ★★★★★

  May 25

  We keep getting more and more complex attackers and defenders. Which makes the windows to pull off damage or implement a necessary utility smaller and smaller.
  
  All fine, well, and good until the AI clams up to allow the windows miss. Or the AI blocks your striker mid combo. Or simply walks toward you with a perfect light intercept ready to smack you around to kill your combo meter/push you past the bar of power you need/etc
  
  In BG’s that’s almost always an instant loss. Nothing you can do about it.
  
  I will also add to the OP’s point. I think parrying has become iffy again, and yet this BG meta, I can’t count how many times my dex has counted as a parry. Insta stun, goodbye match. You can say “oh, you shouldn’t be swiping with your left hand” - except this interaction occurred far less often until this meta. And I bet it will be back to normal after this mets ends. But because a parry is punishing this meta….it is triggering as a parry instead of a dex far more often.

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• Average_Desi Member Posts: 2,225 ★★★★★

  May 25

  Chuck_Finley said:

  We keep getting more and more complex attackers and defenders. Which makes the windows to pull off damage or implement a necessary utility smaller and smaller.
  
  All fine, well, and good until the AI clams up to allow the windows miss. Or the AI blocks your striker mid combo. Or simply walks toward you with a perfect light intercept ready to smack you around to kill your combo meter/push you past the bar of power you need/etc
  
  In BG’s that’s almost always an instant loss. Nothing you can do about it.
  
  I will also add to the OP’s point. I think parrying has become iffy again, and yet this BG meta, I can’t count how many times my dex has counted as a parry. Insta stun, goodbye match. You can say “oh, you shouldn’t be swiping with your left hand” - except this interaction occurred far less often until this meta. And I bet it will be back to normal after this mets ends. But because a parry is punishing this meta….it is triggering as a parry instead of a dex far more often.

  Regarding the last, it's mostly because before this meta, you would try far less to not parry. You would always be trying to parry as much as you can and not be swiping back. And even if you did get a parry, you would just use it instead of getting stunned back

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• Chuck_Finley Member Posts: 1,784 ★★★★★

  May 25

  Average_Desi said:

  Chuck_Finley said:

  We keep getting more and more complex attackers and defenders. Which makes the windows to pull off damage or implement a necessary utility smaller and smaller.
  
  All fine, well, and good until the AI clams up to allow the windows miss. Or the AI blocks your striker mid combo. Or simply walks toward you with a perfect light intercept ready to smack you around to kill your combo meter/push you past the bar of power you need/etc
  
  In BG’s that’s almost always an instant loss. Nothing you can do about it.
  
  I will also add to the OP’s point. I think parrying has become iffy again, and yet this BG meta, I can’t count how many times my dex has counted as a parry. Insta stun, goodbye match. You can say “oh, you shouldn’t be swiping with your left hand” - except this interaction occurred far less often until this meta. And I bet it will be back to normal after this mets ends. But because a parry is punishing this meta….it is triggering as a parry instead of a dex far more often.

  Regarding the last, it's mostly because before this meta, you would try far less to not parry. You would always be trying to parry as much as you can and not be swiping back. And even if you did get a parry, you would just use it instead of getting stunned back

  Not sure I buy that, building up dexes with stark Spidey before this meta… if it happened, 95% of the time I knew I was a fraction late on my dex. Not getting that this meta. But whatever, I can’t prove it. And even if I could it wouldn’t matter anyway. It’s just another AI annoyance at the moment for me.

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• Pikolu Member, Guardian Guardian › Posts: 8,566 Guardian

  May 25

  Just a friendly reminder that kabam has been accountable to the issues with AI and have been working on recreating the entire AI system just to fix those issues.
  
  https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/392960/dev-diary-ai-deep-dive#latest
  
  Also to parrying while dashing back, that's because you're dashing back from the left side of your screen. When you do that, the game inputs a 1 frame block input before the dex. Swiping from the right side of the screen or simply doing it on PC solves that issue.

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• out999 Member Posts: 14 ★

  May 25

  Unfortunately this problem will never be solved, I believe because they don't want to. The intention is for people to spend money, so an unhealthy AI is profit for them, regardless of the fairness of the game. There are fights where it's obvious that everything is going to go wrong and you're going to lose, no matter how skilled you are.
  It used to be a good game, but greed and lack of support are taking the fun out of it.

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• SummonerNR Member, Guardian Guardian › Posts: 14,385 Guardian

  May 25

  Chuck_Finley said:

  
  I can’t count how many times my dex has counted as a parry. Insta stun, goodbye match. You can say “oh, you shouldn’t be swiping with your left hand” - except this interaction occurred far less often until this meta. And I bet it will be back to normal after this mets ends. But because a parry is punishing this meta….it is triggering as a parry instead of a dex far more often.

  Pikolu said:

  Also to parrying while dashing back, that's because you're dashing back from the left side of your screen. When you do that, the game inputs a 1 frame block input before the dex. Swiping from the right side of the screen or simply doing it on PC solves that issue.

  Imagine if the game implemented a Delay before it registered a Left-Side Press as a Block.
  Just to wait and see if you were gonna maybe follow that up with a Swipe for Evade instead of a continued hold for a Block.
  
  Of course that would solve the inadvertent Parry problem, because you wouldn’t be Parry'ing much at all then.

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• PT_99 Member Posts: 6,111 ★★★★★

  May 25 edited May 25

  I really really, passionately hate this new WALK OF DEATH that AI have "learnt" from past year,
  
  Learnt because Kabam have said they never touched AI so clearly it's adapting.
  
  Like it will fricking start to WALK at you, not dash, but walk at you and if you try to dash in then 90% of times you're getting light intercepted,
  If you try to light attack instead? Lol instant parry by AI,
  You try to dash back? It will continue this WALK till you're pinned to wall.
  
  Now AI have began to pair this WALK into light intercepts
  Imagine you hitting AI 3 times, dash back, normal AI will follow your dash for opening of intercept.
  But now? It will do little WALK and then use light attack, catching you off guard into 5 combo into special attack into WAKE UP INTERCEPT 5 combo.
  
  STOP 🖐️

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• HungaryHippo Member Posts: 1,166 ★★★★

  May 25

  The AI walking towards you is a premeditated change. The AI is now light intercepting dashes in reaction.
  
  Anyone who can play should easily notice these changes…

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• Mint9aer0 Member Posts: 18 ★

  May 25

  JESUSCHRIST said:

  The AI refuse to throw special until 3 bars and corners you bcos you can't hit back unless you want to give AI 3 bars

  This is the worst because you're screwed. It would be different if only happened with power gain champs you just accept it then. But it's becoming more common in many other champs with regular power rate

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• summerdeer Member Posts: 889 ★★★

  May 25

  doom ai itself is a problem and also the ai holdeing their power until sp3 then immdeitaly throwing is really annoying

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• Almccarthy Member Posts: 162 ★★

  May 25

  I dont understand why the ai has started throwing 40 5 hit combos into my block without throwing a heavy attack

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• Yaga Member Posts: 61 ★

  May 25

  Pikolu said:

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  Also to parrying while dashing back, that's because you're dashing back from the left side of your screen. When you do that, the game inputs a 1 frame block input before the dex. Swiping from the right side of the screen or simply doing it on PC solves that issue.

  Why should it matter? The game should be consistent with its inputs.
  
  

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• Perfect_jab Member Posts: 117 ★★

  May 25

  The AI issues just seem to get worse as months go by. I understand the game has changed an new champs are more complex an all of it changes things. But its to much. To overtuned. Instant recovers an instant reaction like defender knows exactly what im doing as soon as i press to do it. Overtime you see defenders reacting different an it forces you to change how you fight different defenders. Which i have, learning to fight different champs and the ablilities they have. Then different abilities made defenders fight different an had to learn how to play against each champs AI. Then AI starts reacting different and faster, so have to change up to deal with that. Cant finish full combo while they are unblockable or have a special loaded, dont dash at them if they have a bar of power, but its like now you dont want to dash at them 90% of the time! They will do the short evade an punish you or light intercept you. The hit window is for the player an the defender are not the same. Defender throw these light attacks an heavies an always make contact even when they arent in striking distance! I throw a heavy or light really close to defenders an just miss since my champ doesnt jump forward. And it definitely changes , when unstoppable defenders seem to make contact to early. Some buffs that you benefit when you dex an it gets really hard to get dex to trigger. Have to wait until the defender is basically making contact with my face to swipe back an get it to trigger an still doesnt. But then when defender gets power gain from you gaining buffs, dex triggers easily soon as you evade back. All just to overtuned anymore. Makes important fights take twice as long to do. An getting when these things cost you important matches it gets very aggravating. Striker getting blocked or evaded, getting blocked mid special, part of specials that miss now! So many things. Game isnt fun. Stressful an aggravating.

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• St3bidy_19 Member Posts: 12 ★

  May 25

  The thing that I hate the most is you being punished mid combo or when the first hit of a heavy has landed… I can endure as tiresome as it is… but the ones that say is skill issue are the one that make Kabam stay still while this goes on

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• Pikolu Member, Guardian Guardian › Posts: 8,566 Guardian

  May 25

  Yaga said:

  Pikolu said:

  ..
  
  Also to parrying while dashing back, that's because you're dashing back from the left side of your screen. When you do that, the game inputs a 1 frame block input before the dex. Swiping from the right side of the screen or simply doing it on PC solves that issue.

  Why should it matter? The game should be consistent with its inputs.
  
  

  The game is consistent. You touch the left side, you block. Would you prefer there to be a delay to blocking because the game is first checking to see if that input is actually a swipe? It is the limitation of playing a mobile game where inputs are overloaded

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• Onepieceisnotreal Member Posts: 135 ★

  May 26

  This AI is ridiculous. With this BS meta. I can’t count how many times my dex has been registered as parry.
  Trying to bait heavy but AI is like nah here is the 3 full combo into block
  
  Ridiculous

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• DrZola Member Posts: 9,666 ★★★★★

  May 26

  Pikolu said:

  Yaga said:

  Pikolu said:

  ..
  
  Also to parrying while dashing back, that's because you're dashing back from the left side of your screen. When you do that, the game inputs a 1 frame block input before the dex. Swiping from the right side of the screen or simply doing it on PC solves that issue.

  Why should it matter? The game should be consistent with its inputs.
  
  

  The game is consistent. You touch the left side, you block. Would you prefer there to be a delay to blocking because the game is first checking to see if that input is actually a swipe? It is the limitation of playing a mobile game where inputs are overloaded

  I can say without qualification that the game I play on my device is anything but consistent. A dex that works for a few minutes in a fight suddenly stops working, or a parry that has gone smoothly suddenly becomes a block or a combo to the face, or a striker button that should work just…doesn’t.
  
  Is the team working on it? At some level, I’m sure they have *fixing these kinds of things* on a list of things to do. The post cited above is from April; there have been real complaints raised for well over a year about AI, mechanics, lag/stutter—you name it. Not all of those complainers are cranks or nutjobs
  
  Game mechanics are frequently all over the place, lag is a real issue for most players and getting wonky vs. compliant AI can be the difference between a great run and utter frustration.
  
  I have a handful of things I’d like to finish in game, but I don’t expect the state of the game to improve while I finish them.
  
  There is a decade plus of code written and rewritten and overwritten. I am simply resigned to the conviction that (1) a fix isn’t coming and (2) malfunction is the regular state of things.
  
  Dr. Zola

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• out999 Member Posts: 14 ★

  May 26

  The fun is over, Kabam is too mercenary to think about adjusting it. So much time spent talking about improvement, and it's getting worse and worse.
  They are just empty words in posts, there is no improvement, everything is flawed like the game support that is non-existent.
  👍👍

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• ahmynuts Member Posts: 8,615 ★★★★★

  May 26 edited May 26

  Pikolu said:

  Just a friendly reminder that kabam has been accountable to the issues with AI and have been working on recreating the entire AI system just to fix those issues.
  

  By accountability everyone really means compensation. So swap the word accountability with compensation

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• DrZola Member Posts: 9,666 ★★★★★

  May 26 edited May 26

  ahmynuts said:

  Pikolu said:

  Just a friendly reminder that kabam has been accountable to the issues with AI and have been working on recreating the entire AI system just to fix those issues.
  

  By accountability everyone really means compensation. So swap the word accountability with compensation

  That should in no way be out of the question, but I would put “observable and sustained progress” ahead of compensation every time.
  
  That’s much tougher to achieve than just sending a pack of pots. And more meaningful.
  
  Dr. Zola

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• out999 Member Posts: 14 ★

  May 27

  What a joke this AI is, it defines who wins the fight beforehand.
  It's getting more and more ridiculous, you make the perfect fight, the last intercept goes wrong and you get a 5-hit combo and lose in the BG, for example.
  For me it's turned into garbage, maybe I'll have to pay something for this game project to work properly.
  Kabam leaves a lot to be desired, then comes all those lies about improvement and so we go.
  Thanks Kabam!

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• BigBlueOx Member Posts: 2,961 ★★★★★

  May 27 edited May 27

  Loving the even faster AI reaction times this month. No longer safe to punish Serpent’s sp2, Dust’s heavy, and the backdash parry…
  
  Super thankful that AI is allow to react faster than the images display. Really makes for an enjoyable experience. 🙄

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• Mint9aer0 Member Posts: 18 ★

  May 27

  Pikolu said:

  Yaga said:

  Pikolu said:

  ..
  
  Also to parrying while dashing back, that's because you're dashing back from the left side of your screen. When you do that, the game inputs a 1 frame block input before the dex. Swiping from the right side of the screen or simply doing it on PC solves that issue.

  Why should it matter? The game should be consistent with its inputs.
  
  

  The game is consistent. You touch the left side, you block. Would you prefer there to be a delay to blocking because the game is first checking to see if that input is actually a swipe? It is the limitation of playing a mobile game where inputs are overloaded

  Game controls aren't doing their job then are they. Inputs aren't overloaded they are simple but still require skill. If the game can't determine a players input properly then that's a legitimate fault. The AI speed and framerate impacts this

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