There's no need for recoils, Let bro do his whole damage without getting spanked by random recoil damage.
Swear Kabam is so damn scared that they'll make another CGR Hercules despite making god awful defenders back to back in row.
So bad.
It's in keeping with his comic lore where using his powers uncontrollably caused him damage. That's the point behind it
Devil Hulk din't had that problem and Gentle as show in the comments also doesn't have have almost 8 years, doesn't even make sense the Self crit damage nerf beaucase he Gets stronger not weaker, him hurting himself doesn't take away part of his strengh
Devil hulk also isnt in game. Even if gentle doesn't have that issue in comics now, he did at one point and that's the version kabam used. Nothing wrong with that. It's a new take on existing mechanics. Also nothing wrong there.
Immortal hulk is Devil Hulk and no his not Below All beaucase theres a huge design difference and story,in game story it's Devil Hulk
and yes there is a problem in using this existing mechanic that NOBODY LIKED, It's the same thing as using an bad old event model that already exists and using it today, It didn't work in the past and it doesn't work now and it didn't add anything other than a detail that didn't even need to exist to beggin with.
Not just beaucase already existed that wans't bad
If people didn't like recoils then why do so many people use the suicide masteries?
Unlike the character you can chose to turn off and when to use the Mastery that in compensation gives you basicly double damage, Ihulk and Gentle is base kit ability with only gentle having a way to midgate the self Damage with Awakening and they don't get extra damage for it they simply lose health
And the reward is not worth huge incosistency they have as much on Gentle crit chance and Hulk needing the Ai to coperate soo you can stack rage and deal more damage
they have a reason to have recoil but still a bad reason for a bad mechanic
You want a drawback mechanic that doesn't require to kill yourself to use? Why din't they focus on weaknesses and gave the character another damage source to focus, Gentle for example could get weaknesses and the special damage would come from the reverb and daunted boosting, Ihulk too you could make the rage give you less base attack damage but increase your burst damage
And we have that in game with Toxic Armor from Venom Duck,the opponent gets more armor rating but you deal a burst of damage based on ther armor rating,thats where they took Serpent special 2 from
There's no need for recoils, Let bro do his whole damage without getting spanked by random recoil damage.
Swear Kabam is so damn scared that they'll make another CGR Hercules despite making god awful defenders back to back in row.
So bad.
It's in keeping with his comic lore where using his powers uncontrollably caused him damage. That's the point behind it
Devil Hulk din't had that problem and Gentle as show in the comments also doesn't have have almost 8 years, doesn't even make sense the Self crit damage nerf beaucase he Gets stronger not weaker, him hurting himself doesn't take away part of his strengh
Devil hulk also isnt in game. Even if gentle doesn't have that issue in comics now, he did at one point and that's the version kabam used. Nothing wrong with that. It's a new take on existing mechanics. Also nothing wrong there.
Immortal hulk is Devil Hulk and no his not Below All beaucase theres a huge design difference and story,in game story it's Devil Hulk
and yes there is a problem in using this existing mechanic that NOBODY LIKED, It's the same thing as using an bad old event model that already exists and using it today, It didn't work in the past and it doesn't work now and it didn't add anything other than a detail that didn't even need to exist to beggin with.
Not just beaucase already existed that wans't bad
If people didn't like recoils then why do so many people use the suicide masteries?
Well simple, most champs do better damage. No one is going to Like a champ with built in recoil that does average damage and can't achieve anything past average damage. Gentle's recoil is just off-brand.
This really is a whole lot of complaining about one single characters kit. Even if your argument is that he's supposed to be a bullseye counter, well there's already quite a few in game that do it better anyways so why even continue to cry about gentle? It's one champ. Out of 300+. Just use someone else.
*Joins conversation* *make a terrible take* *People point out that terrible take* *Proceeds to complain about the conversation* 🗣️
Nah. It's only a terrible take according to your opinion. Plenty of other people like gentle just the way he is and plenty of people understand why he was crated the way he is. Cope harder.
And many people here who complain about specific points about a champion they like that could have been fixed and still Rank him up and play him,not just beaucase we Rank up the Champion that we can't complain about parts of his kit that have a problem
The whole point of the post is talk about Gentle soo why Complain when people are talking about Gentle both in the form of criticism and praise that doesn't make sense
What do we have to cope about? they already annouced he won't get buff and they they certainly won't go back
The issue is that you think a core part of his design is something to be fixed, when it's clearly the intended design
you are being condescending beaucase is not possible, i'm talking characters not needing to deal damage to themselfs to have drawbacks and then I proceed to mention a ability that has a drawback that gives you something back to help, give Armor rating to the opponent and in exchange you deal a burst of damage the increase based on ther armor rating
DLL even mentions that was from where they took Serpent S2 when i said Serpent S2 would be great with Toxic armor when serpent came out
Comparing damage back with an ability that has literally no downsides is a ridiculous comparison. The additional armour rating doesn't give any benefit to the defender since it would only matter when you're attacking when you'll be dealing way more damage.
Serpent has nothing to do with this conversation. The point is that some characters dealing damage back to themselves is a thing that's built into their kit and some champs are just gonna have that. If you don't like it it doesn't mean the damage back is inherently a bad thing
There's no need for recoils, Let bro do his whole damage without getting spanked by random recoil damage.
Swear Kabam is so damn scared that they'll make another CGR Hercules despite making god awful defenders back to back in row.
So bad.
It's in keeping with his comic lore where using his powers uncontrollably caused him damage. That's the point behind it
Devil Hulk din't had that problem and Gentle as show in the comments also doesn't have have almost 8 years, doesn't even make sense the Self crit damage nerf beaucase he Gets stronger not weaker, him hurting himself doesn't take away part of his strengh
Devil hulk also isnt in game. Even if gentle doesn't have that issue in comics now, he did at one point and that's the version kabam used. Nothing wrong with that. It's a new take on existing mechanics. Also nothing wrong there.
Immortal hulk is Devil Hulk and no his not Below All beaucase theres a huge design difference and story,in game story it's Devil Hulk
and yes there is a problem in using this existing mechanic that NOBODY LIKED, It's the same thing as using an bad old event model that already exists and using it today, It didn't work in the past and it doesn't work now and it didn't add anything other than a detail that didn't even need to exist to beggin with.
Not just beaucase already existed that wans't bad
If people didn't like recoils then why do so many people use the suicide masteries?
Unlike the character you can chose to turn off and when to use the Mastery that in compensation gives you basicly double damage, Ihulk and Gentle is base kit ability with only gentle having a way to midgate the self Damage with Awakening and they don't get extra damage for it they simply lose health
And the reward is not worth huge incosistency they have as much on Gentle crit chance and Hulk needing the Ai to coperate soo you can stack rage and deal more damage
they have a reason to have recoil but still a bad reason for a bad mechanic
You want a drawback mechanic that doesn't require to kill yourself to use? Why din't they focus on weaknesses and gave the character another damage source to focus, Gentle for example could get weaknesses and the special damage would come from the reverb and daunted boosting, Ihulk too you could make the rage give you less base attack damage but increase your burst damage
I hulk is specifically designed as a way of dealing with damage back nodes too in that that damage often counts towards his rage damage and he absolutely shreds specific fights because of that. Idk if you've ever played him but hes not that inconsistent, especially with a relic.
Yeah gentle could be that I guess, but that would make him a different champion that wasn't what they intended him to be. You can fully ignore the damage back too, even unawakened.
You just want the characters to have less risk and equally bigger reward which is not a good design philosophy
Ihulk was designed to damage back nodes and? how does that prove is not a problem or a bad design idea? beaucase thats the first time i ever heard of anyone even mentioning him for that node ,even people who main him never mention that node even content creators
And i played IHulk he was one of my first 5* and he is extremely inconsistent and heavily AI reliant even with the Immortality,i can play and like the character and point out obvious design issues
Ther intention for Gentle wans't good in practice beaucase theres nothing in exchange to the Draw back besides not taking damage from a optional mastery,lf he wa would be different from ther original idea then just do it they are already taking many risks with kits anyways
You can only avoid the Damage back with Gentle unless you kill the opponent in time or you use the S2 with only 11 daunted that sacrifices 60% of your burst and damage
Excuse me but whats about the last part of you your first comment?
"Less risk and Big reward is not a good design philosophy"
Funny you saying that when Kabam themselfs are doing this till today but for some some characters get better than others
What was the risk with all the new characters released this year besides Gentle?
Those characters aren't supposed to be high risk high reward. They're supposed to be more skill based reward.
Sorry that you need creators to tell you what's good about a champion in order to realise it instead of playing them and learning yourself I guess? I hulk is not as inconsistent as you're making him out to he, plus hes specifically designed to work best when hes dealt damage to himself and can go unblockable which completely removes the need for cooperative ai.
This really is a whole lot of complaining about one single characters kit. Even if your argument is that he's supposed to be a bullseye counter, well there's already quite a few in game that do it better anyways so why even continue to cry about gentle? It's one champ. Out of 300+. Just use someone else.
*Joins conversation* *make a terrible take* *People point out that terrible take* *Proceeds to complain about the conversation* 🗣️
Nah. It's only a terrible take according to your opinion. Plenty of other people like gentle just the way he is and plenty of people understand why he was crated the way he is. Cope harder.
Yet anyone who likes gentle can't provide any points that explain his consistency or damage is good while everyone who doesn't like him or criticizes his design makes valid points on why his kit is unreliable and controversial. Use ur cranium m8.
Why exactly should they? They like the character and his design kit. That's literally all that's important. Not trying to sway the people who don't. If you want someone to come up with reasons to use a champ, do it yourself. Otherwise, move along.
Do you gonna say that everytime they Skip a buff for someone who needs and tell the person to simply pick another option?
If they gonna release a character that has problems and gonna ignore It soo you play with already existing options,them why release in the first besides getting profit?
The only problem you're giving is that you don't like the damage back as if that makes it an objectively bad thing
I don't play much competitive modes, so the Gentle SP2 crit problem for BGs is not relevant for me. What I do see though, when looking at his kit for utility is that he seems to be designed for the niche of a niche (Bullseye on a stunning reflection node), which seems like a weird way of designing a champion.
Does his ability work against Yelena or Patriot? I can't tell if Reversal is coded different than Bullseye's killer instinct. If so, then I think that if this is the Skill design philosophy going forward, then Gentle would have staying power.
This really is a whole lot of complaining about one single characters kit. Even if your argument is that he's supposed to be a bullseye counter, well there's already quite a few in game that do it better anyways so why even continue to cry about gentle? It's one champ. Out of 300+. Just use someone else.
*Joins conversation* *make a terrible take* *People point out that terrible take* *Proceeds to complain about the conversation* 🗣️
Nah. It's only a terrible take according to your opinion. Plenty of other people like gentle just the way he is and plenty of people understand why he was crated the way he is. Cope harder.
Yet anyone who likes gentle can't provide any points that explain his consistency or damage is good while everyone who doesn't like him or criticizes his design makes valid points on why his kit is unreliable and controversial. Use ur cranium m8.
Why exactly should they? They like the character and his design kit. That's literally all that's important. Not trying to sway the people who don't. If you want someone to come up with reasons to use a champ, do it yourself. Otherwise, move along.
Do you gonna say that everytime they Skip a buff for someone who needs and tell the person to simply pick another option?
If they gonna release a character that has problems and gonna ignore It soo you play with already existing options,them why release in the first besides getting profit?
Because he doesn't need a buff right now. Or else, they'd have said they're gonna change/buff him. Obviously. And yes, I say this exact same stuff for every other champ that people say needs this or that and kabam decides their fine. Because there's already 300+ champs in game. You get to pick 5 (6 if there's a choice node) for any given quest. Usually. If there's a champ you don't like, your free to skip or not use them. Same argument kabam is telling people about endgame content. Your free to skip it.
There's no need for recoils, Let bro do his whole damage without getting spanked by random recoil damage.
Swear Kabam is so damn scared that they'll make another CGR Hercules despite making god awful defenders back to back in row.
So bad.
It's in keeping with his comic lore where using his powers uncontrollably caused him damage. That's the point behind it
Devil Hulk din't had that problem and Gentle as show in the comments also doesn't have have almost 8 years, doesn't even make sense the Self crit damage nerf beaucase he Gets stronger not weaker, him hurting himself doesn't take away part of his strengh
Devil hulk also isnt in game. Even if gentle doesn't have that issue in comics now, he did at one point and that's the version kabam used. Nothing wrong with that. It's a new take on existing mechanics. Also nothing wrong there.
Immortal hulk is Devil Hulk and no his not Below All beaucase theres a huge design difference and story,in game story it's Devil Hulk
and yes there is a problem in using this existing mechanic that NOBODY LIKED, It's the same thing as using an bad old event model that already exists and using it today, It didn't work in the past and it doesn't work now and it didn't add anything other than a detail that didn't even need to exist to beggin with.
Not just beaucase already existed that wans't bad
If people didn't like recoils then why do so many people use the suicide masteries?
Unlike the character you can chose to turn off and when to use the Mastery that in compensation gives you basicly double damage, Ihulk and Gentle is base kit ability with only gentle having a way to midgate the self Damage with Awakening and they don't get extra damage for it they simply lose health
And the reward is not worth huge incosistency they have as much on Gentle crit chance and Hulk needing the Ai to coperate soo you can stack rage and deal more damage
they have a reason to have recoil but still a bad reason for a bad mechanic
You want a drawback mechanic that doesn't require to kill yourself to use? Why din't they focus on weaknesses and gave the character another damage source to focus, Gentle for example could get weaknesses and the special damage would come from the reverb and daunted boosting, Ihulk too you could make the rage give you less base attack damage but increase your burst damage
And we have that in game with Toxic Armor from Venom Duck,the opponent gets more armor rating but you deal a burst of damage based on ther armor rating,thats where they took Serpent special 2 from
There's no need for recoils, Let bro do his whole damage without getting spanked by random recoil damage.
Swear Kabam is so damn scared that they'll make another CGR Hercules despite making god awful defenders back to back in row.
So bad.
It's in keeping with his comic lore where using his powers uncontrollably caused him damage. That's the point behind it
Devil Hulk din't had that problem and Gentle as show in the comments also doesn't have have almost 8 years, doesn't even make sense the Self crit damage nerf beaucase he Gets stronger not weaker, him hurting himself doesn't take away part of his strengh
Devil hulk also isnt in game. Even if gentle doesn't have that issue in comics now, he did at one point and that's the version kabam used. Nothing wrong with that. It's a new take on existing mechanics. Also nothing wrong there.
Immortal hulk is Devil Hulk and no his not Below All beaucase theres a huge design difference and story,in game story it's Devil Hulk
and yes there is a problem in using this existing mechanic that NOBODY LIKED, It's the same thing as using an bad old event model that already exists and using it today, It didn't work in the past and it doesn't work now and it didn't add anything other than a detail that didn't even need to exist to beggin with.
Not just beaucase already existed that wans't bad
If people didn't like recoils then why do so many people use the suicide masteries?
Well simple, most champs do better damage. No one is going to Like a champ with built in recoil that does average damage and can't achieve anything past average damage. Gentle's recoil is just off-brand.
He doesn't have average damage though
Again the ABSOLUTE MOST damage he can do on his sp2 as a 7* r3 is 300k-350k and that's with the long rotation. That is damage a lot of champs can achieve with more reliability,utility and a cooler play style. Tbh when you total it, gentle has below average damage for the risk you take playing him and I'm not even talking about recoil at this point.
This really is a whole lot of complaining about one single characters kit. Even if your argument is that he's supposed to be a bullseye counter, well there's already quite a few in game that do it better anyways so why even continue to cry about gentle? It's one champ. Out of 300+. Just use someone else.
*Joins conversation* *make a terrible take* *People point out that terrible take* *Proceeds to complain about the conversation* 🗣️
Nah. It's only a terrible take according to your opinion. Plenty of other people like gentle just the way he is and plenty of people understand why he was crated the way he is. Cope harder.
Yet anyone who likes gentle can't provide any points that explain his consistency or damage is good while everyone who doesn't like him or criticizes his design makes valid points on why his kit is unreliable and controversial. Use ur cranium m8.
Why exactly should they? They like the character and his design kit. That's literally all that's important. Not trying to sway the people who don't. If you want someone to come up with reasons to use a champ, do it yourself. Otherwise, move along.
Do you gonna say that everytime they Skip a buff for someone who needs and tell the person to simply pick another option?
If they gonna release a character that has problems and gonna ignore It soo you play with already existing options,them why release in the first besides getting profit?
Because he doesn't need a buff right now. Or else, they'd have said they're gonna change/buff him. Obviously. And yes, I say this exact same stuff for every other champ that people say needs this or that and kabam decides their fine. Because there's already 300+ champs in game. You get to pick 5 (6 if there's a choice node) for any given quest. Usually. If there's a champ you don't like, your free to skip or not use them. Same argument kabam is telling people about endgame content. Your free to skip it.
Also they said isophyne doesn't need a buff and she is not good. Her purpose as a serpent counter is irrelevant because she isn't even a good serpent counter anymore (She counters serpent but is very slow and unreliable) Sometimes champs that need buffs are skipped even if they need very small tweaks to be good.
quite stunned that he didn't get at the very least some number adjustments. i happen to enjoy playing him and he could have definitely used some tweaking.
I don't play much competitive modes, so the Gentle SP2 crit problem for BGs is not relevant for me. What I do see though, when looking at his kit for utility is that he seems to be designed for the niche of a niche (Bullseye on a stunning reflection node), which seems like a weird way of designing a champion.
Does his ability work against Yelena or Patriot? I can't tell if Reversal is coded different than Bullseye's killer instinct. If so, then I think that if this is the Skill design philosophy going forward, then Gentle would have staying power.
Patriot ins't a problem, against Yelena he does remove her damage reduction but still have to deal with the same problem as others, his intire problem for Majority is the Recoil and crit inconsistency
Beside that his good and does a good job even tought others can do better
This really is a whole lot of complaining about one single characters kit. Even if your argument is that he's supposed to be a bullseye counter, well there's already quite a few in game that do it better anyways so why even continue to cry about gentle? It's one champ. Out of 300+. Just use someone else.
*Joins conversation* *make a terrible take* *People point out that terrible take* *Proceeds to complain about the conversation* 🗣️
Nah. It's only a terrible take according to your opinion. Plenty of other people like gentle just the way he is and plenty of people understand why he was crated the way he is. Cope harder.
Yet anyone who likes gentle can't provide any points that explain his consistency or damage is good while everyone who doesn't like him or criticizes his design makes valid points on why his kit is unreliable and controversial. Use ur cranium m8.
Why exactly should they? They like the character and his design kit. That's literally all that's important. Not trying to sway the people who don't. If you want someone to come up with reasons to use a champ, do it yourself. Otherwise, move along.
Do you gonna say that everytime they Skip a buff for someone who needs and tell the person to simply pick another option?
If they gonna release a character that has problems and gonna ignore It soo you play with already existing options,them why release in the first besides getting profit?
Because he doesn't need a buff right now. Or else, they'd have said they're gonna change/buff him. Obviously. And yes, I say this exact same stuff for every other champ that people say needs this or that and kabam decides their fine. Because there's already 300+ champs in game. You get to pick 5 (6 if there's a choice node) for any given quest. Usually. If there's a champ you don't like, your free to skip or not use them. Same argument kabam is telling people about endgame content. Your free to skip it.
Beaucase Kabam already show multiple time how good they are making decisions for small stuff and for events and offers,specialy new characters going against something themselfs said last year about not releasing New Defenders but we get 1 per month to sell the counter later, saying something is how should be beaucase Kabam decided is the worst Argument possible even more right, Also ins't a small amount of people that asked but enough to call atention, including Top influencers and top global players.
Those characters aren't supposed to be high risk high reward. They're supposed to be more skill based reward.
Sorry that you need creators to tell you what's good about a champion in order to realise it instead of playing them and learning yourself I guess? I hulk is not as inconsistent as you're making him out to he, plus hes specifically designed to work best when hes dealt damage to himself and can go unblockable which completely removes the need for cooperative ai.
Yes,i need to watch guides on some content creators to learn the character kit and rotation to later on try myself and see if i like the champion or not and whats wrong with going with the word of people more experienced than me with certain characters?
I din't even mentioned content creators only i also mentioned other IHulk mains that are just players that also have criticism about the character,i went to Discord and even there i din't got an awnser for that,you are literaly the first person i ever saw talking about IHulk being designed for such specific node
"Those characters aren't supposed to be high risk high reward. They're supposed to be more skill based reward."
Nobody, nobody this year besides Jean require skill for high damage and is not even skill just practice few fights, Okoye was released in the same month as gentle and she simply tap tap till S2, even Cyclops who is a example why Gentle abilities werent justifiable just need Intercept If you want to go for S3 rotation
No they are not high risk and high reward but Gentle is and his the second weakest champion this year,he ins't the first simply beaucase Joaquim Falcon doesn't have much damage to keep up with modern science champions
This really is a whole lot of complaining about one single characters kit. Even if your argument is that he's supposed to be a bullseye counter, well there's already quite a few in game that do it better anyways so why even continue to cry about gentle? It's one champ. Out of 300+. Just use someone else.
*Joins conversation* *make a terrible take* *People point out that terrible take* *Proceeds to complain about the conversation* 🗣️
Nah. It's only a terrible take according to your opinion. Plenty of other people like gentle just the way he is and plenty of people understand why he was crated the way he is. Cope harder.
Yet anyone who likes gentle can't provide any points that explain his consistency or damage is good while everyone who doesn't like him or criticizes his design makes valid points on why his kit is unreliable and controversial. Use ur cranium m8.
Why exactly should they? They like the character and his design kit. That's literally all that's important. Not trying to sway the people who don't. If you want someone to come up with reasons to use a champ, do it yourself. Otherwise, move along.
Do you gonna say that everytime they Skip a buff for someone who needs and tell the person to simply pick another option?
If they gonna release a character that has problems and gonna ignore It soo you play with already existing options,them why release in the first besides getting profit?
Because he doesn't need a buff right now. Or else, they'd have said they're gonna change/buff him. Obviously. And yes, I say this exact same stuff for every other champ that people say needs this or that and kabam decides their fine. Because there's already 300+ champs in game. You get to pick 5 (6 if there's a choice node) for any given quest. Usually. If there's a champ you don't like, your free to skip or not use them. Same argument kabam is telling people about endgame content. Your free to skip it.
Also they said isophyne doesn't need a buff and she is not good. Her purpose as a serpent counter is irrelevant because she isn't even a good serpent counter anymore (She counters serpent but is very slow and unreliable) Sometimes champs that need buffs are skipped even if they need very small tweaks to be good.
The difference here is YOU think they need buffed. KABAM does not.
The only problem you're giving is that you don't like the damage back as if that makes it an objectively bad thing
No thats not the unique problem thats just the problem you made me call more atention too beaucase it is a bad mechanic that they din't made work properly besides being just bad and not interesting
Good part of people here said the same thing just works with the S2 incosistency
This really is a whole lot of complaining about one single characters kit. Even if your argument is that he's supposed to be a bullseye counter, well there's already quite a few in game that do it better anyways so why even continue to cry about gentle? It's one champ. Out of 300+. Just use someone else.
*Joins conversation* *make a terrible take* *People point out that terrible take* *Proceeds to complain about the conversation* 🗣️
Nah. It's only a terrible take according to your opinion. Plenty of other people like gentle just the way he is and plenty of people understand why he was crated the way he is. Cope harder.
And many people here who complain about specific points about a champion they like that could have been fixed and still Rank him up and play him,not just beaucase we Rank up the Champion that we can't complain about parts of his kit that have a problem
The whole point of the post is talk about Gentle soo why Complain when people are talking about Gentle both in the form of criticism and praise that doesn't make sense
What do we have to cope about? they already annouced he won't get buff and they they certainly won't go back
The issue is that you think a core part of his design is something to be fixed, when it's clearly the intended design
you are being condescending beaucase is not possible, i'm talking characters not needing to deal damage to themselfs to have drawbacks and then I proceed to mention a ability that has a drawback that gives you something back to help, give Armor rating to the opponent and in exchange you deal a burst of damage the increase based on ther armor rating
DLL even mentions that was from where they took Serpent S2 when i said Serpent S2 would be great with Toxic armor when serpent came out
Comparing damage back with an ability that has literally no downsides is a ridiculous comparison. The additional armour rating doesn't give any benefit to the defender since it would only matter when you're attacking when you'll be dealing way more damage.
Serpent has nothing to do with this conversation. The point is that some characters dealing damage back to themselves is a thing that's built into their kit and some champs are just gonna have that. If you don't like it it doesn't mean the damage back is inherently a bad thing
"If people didn't like recoils then why do so many people use the suicide masteries?"
What were you saying about ridiculous comparison? a comparison between a Mastery that people CAN CHOSE if they will use to get a lot of damage or not and there is Gentle Recoil that is base kit and you can only midgate if the opponent die during special or high sig Awakening
Yeah i could have used a better example like Anti Venom that you have to chose between dealing damage or ultility,unless you have lady deathstrike synergy, thats a character with a drawback that give you something beneficial while Gentle gives nothing and IHulk the best you get is immortality with Unblockable
As for Serpent S2 being inspired on toxic armor,i just think it's cool to mention they got inspiration from a mechanic that benefits your enemy but also benefits you at the same time
This really is a whole lot of complaining about one single characters kit. Even if your argument is that he's supposed to be a bullseye counter, well there's already quite a few in game that do it better anyways so why even continue to cry about gentle? It's one champ. Out of 300+. Just use someone else.
*Joins conversation* *make a terrible take* *People point out that terrible take* *Proceeds to complain about the conversation* 🗣️
Nah. It's only a terrible take according to your opinion. Plenty of other people like gentle just the way he is and plenty of people understand why he was crated the way he is. Cope harder.
Yet anyone who likes gentle can't provide any points that explain his consistency or damage is good while everyone who doesn't like him or criticizes his design makes valid points on why his kit is unreliable and controversial. Use ur cranium m8.
Why exactly should they? They like the character and his design kit. That's literally all that's important. Not trying to sway the people who don't. If you want someone to come up with reasons to use a champ, do it yourself. Otherwise, move along.
This really is a whole lot of complaining about one single characters kit. Even if your argument is that he's supposed to be a bullseye counter, well there's already quite a few in game that do it better anyways so why even continue to cry about gentle? It's one champ. Out of 300+. Just use someone else.
*Joins conversation* *make a terrible take* *People point out that terrible take* *Proceeds to complain about the conversation* 🗣️
Nah. It's only a terrible take according to your opinion. Plenty of other people like gentle just the way he is and plenty of people understand why he was crated the way he is. Cope harder.
Yet anyone who likes gentle can't provide any points that explain his consistency or damage is good while everyone who doesn't like him or criticizes his design makes valid points on why his kit is unreliable and controversial. Use ur cranium m8.
Why exactly should they? They like the character and his design kit. That's literally all that's important. Not trying to sway the people who don't. If you want someone to come up with reasons to use a champ, do it yourself. Otherwise, move along.
Do you gonna say that everytime they Skip a buff for someone who needs and tell the person to simply pick another option?
If they gonna release a character that has problems and gonna ignore It soo you play with already existing options,them why release in the first besides getting profit?
Because he doesn't need a buff right now. Or else, they'd have said they're gonna change/buff him. Obviously. And yes, I say this exact same stuff for every other champ that people say needs this or that and kabam decides their fine. Because there's already 300+ champs in game. You get to pick 5 (6 if there's a choice node) for any given quest. Usually. If there's a champ you don't like, your free to skip or not use them. Same argument kabam is telling people about endgame content. Your free to skip it.
Also they said isophyne doesn't need a buff and she is not good. Her purpose as a serpent counter is irrelevant because she isn't even a good serpent counter anymore (She counters serpent but is very slow and unreliable) Sometimes champs that need buffs are skipped even if they need very small tweaks to be good.
The difference here is YOU think they need buffed. KABAM does not.
Well yeah it's not like they make the best choices when it comes to balancing. It's not like I'm the only one who thinks leader or isophyne or gentle is mid.
Idk just seeing champs that only need small tweaks to be WAY better than they actually are, only to have their kit get abandoned is just sad.
Simply put guaranted crit on S2 and remove the crit damage nerf, you can ignore the Recoil even unawakened beaucase you would kill the opponent before taking the damage,It was just a matter of making of 2 changes
If they did with Punk then why not Gentle even tought people were using him anyways
There's no need for recoils, Let bro do his whole damage without getting spanked by random recoil damage.
Swear Kabam is so damn scared that they'll make another CGR Hercules despite making god awful defenders back to back in row.
So bad.
It's in keeping with his comic lore where using his powers uncontrollably caused him damage. That's the point behind it
Devil Hulk din't had that problem and Gentle as show in the comments also doesn't have have almost 8 years, doesn't even make sense the Self crit damage nerf beaucase he Gets stronger not weaker, him hurting himself doesn't take away part of his strengh
Devil hulk also isnt in game. Even if gentle doesn't have that issue in comics now, he did at one point and that's the version kabam used. Nothing wrong with that. It's a new take on existing mechanics. Also nothing wrong there.
Immortal hulk is Devil Hulk and no his not Below All beaucase theres a huge design difference and story,in game story it's Devil Hulk
and yes there is a problem in using this existing mechanic that NOBODY LIKED, It's the same thing as using an bad old event model that already exists and using it today, It didn't work in the past and it doesn't work now and it didn't add anything other than a detail that didn't even need to exist to beggin with.
Not just beaucase already existed that wans't bad
If people didn't like recoils then why do so many people use the suicide masteries?
Unlike the character you can chose to turn off and when to use the Mastery that in compensation gives you basicly double damage, Ihulk and Gentle is base kit ability with only gentle having a way to midgate the self Damage with Awakening and they don't get extra damage for it they simply lose health
And the reward is not worth huge incosistency they have as much on Gentle crit chance and Hulk needing the Ai to coperate soo you can stack rage and deal more damage
they have a reason to have recoil but still a bad reason for a bad mechanic
You want a drawback mechanic that doesn't require to kill yourself to use? Why din't they focus on weaknesses and gave the character another damage source to focus, Gentle for example could get weaknesses and the special damage would come from the reverb and daunted boosting, Ihulk too you could make the rage give you less base attack damage but increase your burst damage
And we have that in game with Toxic Armor from Venom Duck,the opponent gets more armor rating but you deal a burst of damage based on ther armor rating,thats where they took Serpent special 2 from
There's no need for recoils, Let bro do his whole damage without getting spanked by random recoil damage.
Swear Kabam is so damn scared that they'll make another CGR Hercules despite making god awful defenders back to back in row.
So bad.
It's in keeping with his comic lore where using his powers uncontrollably caused him damage. That's the point behind it
Devil Hulk din't had that problem and Gentle as show in the comments also doesn't have have almost 8 years, doesn't even make sense the Self crit damage nerf beaucase he Gets stronger not weaker, him hurting himself doesn't take away part of his strengh
Devil hulk also isnt in game. Even if gentle doesn't have that issue in comics now, he did at one point and that's the version kabam used. Nothing wrong with that. It's a new take on existing mechanics. Also nothing wrong there.
Immortal hulk is Devil Hulk and no his not Below All beaucase theres a huge design difference and story,in game story it's Devil Hulk
and yes there is a problem in using this existing mechanic that NOBODY LIKED, It's the same thing as using an bad old event model that already exists and using it today, It didn't work in the past and it doesn't work now and it didn't add anything other than a detail that didn't even need to exist to beggin with.
Not just beaucase already existed that wans't bad
If people didn't like recoils then why do so many people use the suicide masteries?
Well simple, most champs do better damage. No one is going to Like a champ with built in recoil that does average damage and can't achieve anything past average damage. Gentle's recoil is just off-brand.
He doesn't have average damage though
Again the ABSOLUTE MOST damage he can do on his sp2 as a 7* r3 is 300k-350k and that's with the long rotation. That is damage a lot of champs can achieve with more reliability,utility and a cooler play style. Tbh when you total it, gentle has below average damage for the risk you take playing him and I'm not even talking about recoil at this point.
This really is a whole lot of complaining about one single characters kit. Even if your argument is that he's supposed to be a bullseye counter, well there's already quite a few in game that do it better anyways so why even continue to cry about gentle? It's one champ. Out of 300+. Just use someone else.
*Joins conversation* *make a terrible take* *People point out that terrible take* *Proceeds to complain about the conversation* 🗣️
Nah. It's only a terrible take according to your opinion. Plenty of other people like gentle just the way he is and plenty of people understand why he was crated the way he is. Cope harder.
Yet anyone who likes gentle can't provide any points that explain his consistency or damage is good while everyone who doesn't like him or criticizes his design makes valid points on why his kit is unreliable and controversial. Use ur cranium m8.
Why exactly should they? They like the character and his design kit. That's literally all that's important. Not trying to sway the people who don't. If you want someone to come up with reasons to use a champ, do it yourself. Otherwise, move along.
Do you gonna say that everytime they Skip a buff for someone who needs and tell the person to simply pick another option?
If they gonna release a character that has problems and gonna ignore It soo you play with already existing options,them why release in the first besides getting profit?
Because he doesn't need a buff right now. Or else, they'd have said they're gonna change/buff him. Obviously. And yes, I say this exact same stuff for every other champ that people say needs this or that and kabam decides their fine. Because there's already 300+ champs in game. You get to pick 5 (6 if there's a choice node) for any given quest. Usually. If there's a champ you don't like, your free to skip or not use them. Same argument kabam is telling people about endgame content. Your free to skip it.
Also they said isophyne doesn't need a buff and she is not good. Her purpose as a serpent counter is irrelevant because she isn't even a good serpent counter anymore (She counters serpent but is very slow and unreliable) Sometimes champs that need buffs are skipped even if they need very small tweaks to be good.
They said that she's performing at the level they intended her, sure she could objectively be better if they buffed her but she's doing what they intended her to do which is be a good serpent counter with some solid nullify
There's no need for recoils, Let bro do his whole damage without getting spanked by random recoil damage.
Swear Kabam is so damn scared that they'll make another CGR Hercules despite making god awful defenders back to back in row.
So bad.
It's in keeping with his comic lore where using his powers uncontrollably caused him damage. That's the point behind it
Devil Hulk din't had that problem and Gentle as show in the comments also doesn't have have almost 8 years, doesn't even make sense the Self crit damage nerf beaucase he Gets stronger not weaker, him hurting himself doesn't take away part of his strengh
Devil hulk also isnt in game. Even if gentle doesn't have that issue in comics now, he did at one point and that's the version kabam used. Nothing wrong with that. It's a new take on existing mechanics. Also nothing wrong there.
Immortal hulk is Devil Hulk and no his not Below All beaucase theres a huge design difference and story,in game story it's Devil Hulk
and yes there is a problem in using this existing mechanic that NOBODY LIKED, It's the same thing as using an bad old event model that already exists and using it today, It didn't work in the past and it doesn't work now and it didn't add anything other than a detail that didn't even need to exist to beggin with.
Not just beaucase already existed that wans't bad
If people didn't like recoils then why do so many people use the suicide masteries?
Unlike the character you can chose to turn off and when to use the Mastery that in compensation gives you basicly double damage, Ihulk and Gentle is base kit ability with only gentle having a way to midgate the self Damage with Awakening and they don't get extra damage for it they simply lose health
And the reward is not worth huge incosistency they have as much on Gentle crit chance and Hulk needing the Ai to coperate soo you can stack rage and deal more damage
they have a reason to have recoil but still a bad reason for a bad mechanic
You want a drawback mechanic that doesn't require to kill yourself to use? Why din't they focus on weaknesses and gave the character another damage source to focus, Gentle for example could get weaknesses and the special damage would come from the reverb and daunted boosting, Ihulk too you could make the rage give you less base attack damage but increase your burst damage
And we have that in game with Toxic Armor from Venom Duck,the opponent gets more armor rating but you deal a burst of damage based on ther armor rating,thats where they took Serpent special 2 from
There's no need for recoils, Let bro do his whole damage without getting spanked by random recoil damage.
Swear Kabam is so damn scared that they'll make another CGR Hercules despite making god awful defenders back to back in row.
So bad.
It's in keeping with his comic lore where using his powers uncontrollably caused him damage. That's the point behind it
Devil Hulk din't had that problem and Gentle as show in the comments also doesn't have have almost 8 years, doesn't even make sense the Self crit damage nerf beaucase he Gets stronger not weaker, him hurting himself doesn't take away part of his strengh
Devil hulk also isnt in game. Even if gentle doesn't have that issue in comics now, he did at one point and that's the version kabam used. Nothing wrong with that. It's a new take on existing mechanics. Also nothing wrong there.
Immortal hulk is Devil Hulk and no his not Below All beaucase theres a huge design difference and story,in game story it's Devil Hulk
and yes there is a problem in using this existing mechanic that NOBODY LIKED, It's the same thing as using an bad old event model that already exists and using it today, It didn't work in the past and it doesn't work now and it didn't add anything other than a detail that didn't even need to exist to beggin with.
Not just beaucase already existed that wans't bad
If people didn't like recoils then why do so many people use the suicide masteries?
Well simple, most champs do better damage. No one is going to Like a champ with built in recoil that does average damage and can't achieve anything past average damage. Gentle's recoil is just off-brand.
He doesn't have average damage though
Again the ABSOLUTE MOST damage he can do on his sp2 as a 7* r3 is 300k-350k and that's with the long rotation. That is damage a lot of champs can achieve with more reliability,utility and a cooler play style. Tbh when you total it, gentle has below average damage for the risk you take playing him and I'm not even talking about recoil at this point.
Are you taking into account the reverb?
Yeah using both the sp3 and sp2 recoil together with all crits on the sp2 the most he can get is 340k (380k w advantage I believe) and that's with the special stat focus. Could be way more W horseman so he can see use in incursions.
This really is a whole lot of complaining about one single characters kit. Even if your argument is that he's supposed to be a bullseye counter, well there's already quite a few in game that do it better anyways so why even continue to cry about gentle? It's one champ. Out of 300+. Just use someone else.
*Joins conversation* *make a terrible take* *People point out that terrible take* *Proceeds to complain about the conversation* 🗣️
Nah. It's only a terrible take according to your opinion. Plenty of other people like gentle just the way he is and plenty of people understand why he was crated the way he is. Cope harder.
Yet anyone who likes gentle can't provide any points that explain his consistency or damage is good while everyone who doesn't like him or criticizes his design makes valid points on why his kit is unreliable and controversial. Use ur cranium m8.
Why exactly should they? They like the character and his design kit. That's literally all that's important. Not trying to sway the people who don't. If you want someone to come up with reasons to use a champ, do it yourself. Otherwise, move along.
This really is a whole lot of complaining about one single characters kit. Even if your argument is that he's supposed to be a bullseye counter, well there's already quite a few in game that do it better anyways so why even continue to cry about gentle? It's one champ. Out of 300+. Just use someone else.
*Joins conversation* *make a terrible take* *People point out that terrible take* *Proceeds to complain about the conversation* 🗣️
Nah. It's only a terrible take according to your opinion. Plenty of other people like gentle just the way he is and plenty of people understand why he was crated the way he is. Cope harder.
Yet anyone who likes gentle can't provide any points that explain his consistency or damage is good while everyone who doesn't like him or criticizes his design makes valid points on why his kit is unreliable and controversial. Use ur cranium m8.
Why exactly should they? They like the character and his design kit. That's literally all that's important. Not trying to sway the people who don't. If you want someone to come up with reasons to use a champ, do it yourself. Otherwise, move along.
Do you gonna say that everytime they Skip a buff for someone who needs and tell the person to simply pick another option?
If they gonna release a character that has problems and gonna ignore It soo you play with already existing options,them why release in the first besides getting profit?
Because he doesn't need a buff right now. Or else, they'd have said they're gonna change/buff him. Obviously. And yes, I say this exact same stuff for every other champ that people say needs this or that and kabam decides their fine. Because there's already 300+ champs in game. You get to pick 5 (6 if there's a choice node) for any given quest. Usually. If there's a champ you don't like, your free to skip or not use them. Same argument kabam is telling people about endgame content. Your free to skip it.
Also they said isophyne doesn't need a buff and she is not good. Her purpose as a serpent counter is irrelevant because she isn't even a good serpent counter anymore (She counters serpent but is very slow and unreliable) Sometimes champs that need buffs are skipped even if they need very small tweaks to be good.
The difference here is YOU think they need buffed. KABAM does not.
Well yeah it's not like they make the best choices when it comes to balancing. It's not like I'm the only one who thinks leader or isophyne or gentle is mid.
Doesn't matter though. Kabam decided they're good the way they are. For now at any rate. They have far more data than just you using said champ for a few days or weeks.
This really is a whole lot of complaining about one single characters kit. Even if your argument is that he's supposed to be a bullseye counter, well there's already quite a few in game that do it better anyways so why even continue to cry about gentle? It's one champ. Out of 300+. Just use someone else.
*Joins conversation* *make a terrible take* *People point out that terrible take* *Proceeds to complain about the conversation* 🗣️
Nah. It's only a terrible take according to your opinion. Plenty of other people like gentle just the way he is and plenty of people understand why he was crated the way he is. Cope harder.
Yet anyone who likes gentle can't provide any points that explain his consistency or damage is good while everyone who doesn't like him or criticizes his design makes valid points on why his kit is unreliable and controversial. Use ur cranium m8.
Why exactly should they? They like the character and his design kit. That's literally all that's important. Not trying to sway the people who don't. If you want someone to come up with reasons to use a champ, do it yourself. Otherwise, move along.
Do you gonna say that everytime they Skip a buff for someone who needs and tell the person to simply pick another option?
If they gonna release a character that has problems and gonna ignore It soo you play with already existing options,them why release in the first besides getting profit?
Because he doesn't need a buff right now. Or else, they'd have said they're gonna change/buff him. Obviously. And yes, I say this exact same stuff for every other champ that people say needs this or that and kabam decides their fine. Because there's already 300+ champs in game. You get to pick 5 (6 if there's a choice node) for any given quest. Usually. If there's a champ you don't like, your free to skip or not use them. Same argument kabam is telling people about endgame content. Your free to skip it.
Also they said isophyne doesn't need a buff and she is not good. Her purpose as a serpent counter is irrelevant because she isn't even a good serpent counter anymore (She counters serpent but is very slow and unreliable) Sometimes champs that need buffs are skipped even if they need very small tweaks to be good.
They said that she's performing at the level they intended her, sure she could objectively be better if they buffed her but she's doing what they intended her to do which is be a good serpent counter with some solid nullify
Sure she is performing at the level that she is intended for but that level is useless. Her nullify is just up to chance and she is a slow serpent counter that is susceptible to taking a good amount of damage when not played perfectly and even then she takes some damage. I completely get your point but at the same time she doesn't really fulfill any purpose besides "This is my last chance for a serpent counter" which is why a lot of people shelved her.
This really is a whole lot of complaining about one single characters kit. Even if your argument is that he's supposed to be a bullseye counter, well there's already quite a few in game that do it better anyways so why even continue to cry about gentle? It's one champ. Out of 300+. Just use someone else.
*Joins conversation* *make a terrible take* *People point out that terrible take* *Proceeds to complain about the conversation* 🗣️
Nah. It's only a terrible take according to your opinion. Plenty of other people like gentle just the way he is and plenty of people understand why he was crated the way he is. Cope harder.
Yet anyone who likes gentle can't provide any points that explain his consistency or damage is good while everyone who doesn't like him or criticizes his design makes valid points on why his kit is unreliable and controversial. Use ur cranium m8.
Why exactly should they? They like the character and his design kit. That's literally all that's important. Not trying to sway the people who don't. If you want someone to come up with reasons to use a champ, do it yourself. Otherwise, move along.
This really is a whole lot of complaining about one single characters kit. Even if your argument is that he's supposed to be a bullseye counter, well there's already quite a few in game that do it better anyways so why even continue to cry about gentle? It's one champ. Out of 300+. Just use someone else.
*Joins conversation* *make a terrible take* *People point out that terrible take* *Proceeds to complain about the conversation* 🗣️
Nah. It's only a terrible take according to your opinion. Plenty of other people like gentle just the way he is and plenty of people understand why he was crated the way he is. Cope harder.
Yet anyone who likes gentle can't provide any points that explain his consistency or damage is good while everyone who doesn't like him or criticizes his design makes valid points on why his kit is unreliable and controversial. Use ur cranium m8.
Why exactly should they? They like the character and his design kit. That's literally all that's important. Not trying to sway the people who don't. If you want someone to come up with reasons to use a champ, do it yourself. Otherwise, move along.
Do you gonna say that everytime they Skip a buff for someone who needs and tell the person to simply pick another option?
If they gonna release a character that has problems and gonna ignore It soo you play with already existing options,them why release in the first besides getting profit?
Because he doesn't need a buff right now. Or else, they'd have said they're gonna change/buff him. Obviously. And yes, I say this exact same stuff for every other champ that people say needs this or that and kabam decides their fine. Because there's already 300+ champs in game. You get to pick 5 (6 if there's a choice node) for any given quest. Usually. If there's a champ you don't like, your free to skip or not use them. Same argument kabam is telling people about endgame content. Your free to skip it.
Also they said isophyne doesn't need a buff and she is not good. Her purpose as a serpent counter is irrelevant because she isn't even a good serpent counter anymore (She counters serpent but is very slow and unreliable) Sometimes champs that need buffs are skipped even if they need very small tweaks to be good.
The difference here is YOU think they need buffed. KABAM does not.
Well yeah it's not like they make the best choices when it comes to balancing. It's not like I'm the only one who thinks leader or isophyne or gentle is mid.
Doesn't matter though. Kabam decided they're good the way they are. For now at any rate. They have far more data than just you using said champ for a few days or weeks.
Yes they had Data that Bullseye was a infernal defender and what they did? they bug fix and nerfed him
And for Serpent that the data was clearly showing he was being too much of a problem for even high level players? Nothing and people who defend that later on changed ther opinion
Destroyer on attack was very mediocre and even on his best match ups like Hulkling,and again they din't change anything even tought he just needed a Boost on his charges gain that till today only have 2 reliable ways to get
It's not just because they have information that they will use that information in the best possible way.
This really is a whole lot of complaining about one single characters kit. Even if your argument is that he's supposed to be a bullseye counter, well there's already quite a few in game that do it better anyways so why even continue to cry about gentle? It's one champ. Out of 300+. Just use someone else.
*Joins conversation* *make a terrible take* *People point out that terrible take* *Proceeds to complain about the conversation* 🗣️
Nah. It's only a terrible take according to your opinion. Plenty of other people like gentle just the way he is and plenty of people understand why he was crated the way he is. Cope harder.
Yet anyone who likes gentle can't provide any points that explain his consistency or damage is good while everyone who doesn't like him or criticizes his design makes valid points on why his kit is unreliable and controversial. Use ur cranium m8.
Why exactly should they? They like the character and his design kit. That's literally all that's important. Not trying to sway the people who don't. If you want someone to come up with reasons to use a champ, do it yourself. Otherwise, move along.
This really is a whole lot of complaining about one single characters kit. Even if your argument is that he's supposed to be a bullseye counter, well there's already quite a few in game that do it better anyways so why even continue to cry about gentle? It's one champ. Out of 300+. Just use someone else.
*Joins conversation* *make a terrible take* *People point out that terrible take* *Proceeds to complain about the conversation* 🗣️
Nah. It's only a terrible take according to your opinion. Plenty of other people like gentle just the way he is and plenty of people understand why he was crated the way he is. Cope harder.
Yet anyone who likes gentle can't provide any points that explain his consistency or damage is good while everyone who doesn't like him or criticizes his design makes valid points on why his kit is unreliable and controversial. Use ur cranium m8.
Why exactly should they? They like the character and his design kit. That's literally all that's important. Not trying to sway the people who don't. If you want someone to come up with reasons to use a champ, do it yourself. Otherwise, move along.
Do you gonna say that everytime they Skip a buff for someone who needs and tell the person to simply pick another option?
If they gonna release a character that has problems and gonna ignore It soo you play with already existing options,them why release in the first besides getting profit?
Because he doesn't need a buff right now. Or else, they'd have said they're gonna change/buff him. Obviously. And yes, I say this exact same stuff for every other champ that people say needs this or that and kabam decides their fine. Because there's already 300+ champs in game. You get to pick 5 (6 if there's a choice node) for any given quest. Usually. If there's a champ you don't like, your free to skip or not use them. Same argument kabam is telling people about endgame content. Your free to skip it.
Also they said isophyne doesn't need a buff and she is not good. Her purpose as a serpent counter is irrelevant because she isn't even a good serpent counter anymore (She counters serpent but is very slow and unreliable) Sometimes champs that need buffs are skipped even if they need very small tweaks to be good.
The difference here is YOU think they need buffed. KABAM does not.
Well yeah it's not like they make the best choices when it comes to balancing. It's not like I'm the only one who thinks leader or isophyne or gentle is mid.
Doesn't matter though. Kabam decided they're good the way they are. For now at any rate. They have far more data than just you using said champ for a few days or weeks.
Yes they had Data that Bullseye was a infernal defender and what they did? they bug fix and nerfed him
And for Serpent that the data was clearly showing he was being too much of a problem for even high level players? Nothing and people who defend that later on changed ther opinion
Destroyer on attack was very mediocre and even on his best match ups like Hulkling,and again they din't change anything even tought he just needed a Boost on his charges gain that till today only have 2 reliable ways to get
It's not just because they have information that they will use that information in the best possible way.
Again, your failing to see the full picture. Which is, it is kabams game. They are happy with where gentle is, as well as serpent destroyer etc. If they feel like they need to change something, they will. You may not like that answer, but it is the answer.
There's no need for recoils, Let bro do his whole damage without getting spanked by random recoil damage.
Swear Kabam is so damn scared that they'll make another CGR Hercules despite making god awful defenders back to back in row.
So bad.
It's in keeping with his comic lore where using his powers uncontrollably caused him damage. That's the point behind it
Devil Hulk din't had that problem and Gentle as show in the comments also doesn't have have almost 8 years, doesn't even make sense the Self crit damage nerf beaucase he Gets stronger not weaker, him hurting himself doesn't take away part of his strengh
Devil hulk also isnt in game. Even if gentle doesn't have that issue in comics now, he did at one point and that's the version kabam used. Nothing wrong with that. It's a new take on existing mechanics. Also nothing wrong there.
Immortal hulk is Devil Hulk and no his not Below All beaucase theres a huge design difference and story,in game story it's Devil Hulk
and yes there is a problem in using this existing mechanic that NOBODY LIKED, It's the same thing as using an bad old event model that already exists and using it today, It didn't work in the past and it doesn't work now and it didn't add anything other than a detail that didn't even need to exist to beggin with.
Not just beaucase already existed that wans't bad
Immortal hulk is not devil hulk. They're two separate identities of his personas. Regardless of that fact, gentle works absolutely fine the way he is. Just because YOU don't like doesn't mean its not a good working kit. Not every champ will appeal to every player. That's never changed.
Tbh tho gentles kit doesn't work, it's very controversial. A champ that's main purpose is to counter bullseye does physical damage (bullseye has very high phys resistance). Recoil is a mechanic that allows your champion to do an overwhelming amount of special damage but punish you by removing health each time it is used, however gentle gets his critical damage rating halved during his special 2 ultimately resulting in below average damage. The most damage he can do is 300k in a special 2 using the sp3 rotation and that's BAD for a 7* r3. He isn't a nuke either because he is incredibly inconsistent with muscle mass rng and sp2 rng. It's not like people don't like his kit, he is just unreliable as hell with very little payoff.
There’s already been a thread on this subject. And no, gentle does not need a buff. He’s a great attacker and defender. I have my gentle at R3 and he tears it up everywhere I have used him
I also have a r3 gentle and counting all the times I have used him, there is no way in hell that he is as consistent as you claim him to be. Bro can barely nuke his matchups much less anything outside of his hard counters and you can't try to nuke in bgs because there's the constant worry of "will all his hits crit" and if one the hits doesn't crit his damage goes from good to bad real fast god forbid he hits anything less than 3 crits because then his damage is awful (which this has happened to me a TON).
I agree I brought him into War and didn't have Suicides when I realized it i was like Ggs to myself lol I knew it was Jover. Lol
This really is a whole lot of complaining about one single characters kit. Even if your argument is that he's supposed to be a bullseye counter, well there's already quite a few in game that do it better anyways so why even continue to cry about gentle? It's one champ. Out of 300+. Just use someone else.
*Joins conversation* *make a terrible take* *People point out that terrible take* *Proceeds to complain about the conversation* 🗣️
Nah. It's only a terrible take according to your opinion. Plenty of other people like gentle just the way he is and plenty of people understand why he was crated the way he is. Cope harder.
Yet anyone who likes gentle can't provide any points that explain his consistency or damage is good while everyone who doesn't like him or criticizes his design makes valid points on why his kit is unreliable and controversial. Use ur cranium m8.
Why exactly should they? They like the character and his design kit. That's literally all that's important. Not trying to sway the people who don't. If you want someone to come up with reasons to use a champ, do it yourself. Otherwise, move along.
This really is a whole lot of complaining about one single characters kit. Even if your argument is that he's supposed to be a bullseye counter, well there's already quite a few in game that do it better anyways so why even continue to cry about gentle? It's one champ. Out of 300+. Just use someone else.
*Joins conversation* *make a terrible take* *People point out that terrible take* *Proceeds to complain about the conversation* 🗣️
Nah. It's only a terrible take according to your opinion. Plenty of other people like gentle just the way he is and plenty of people understand why he was crated the way he is. Cope harder.
Yet anyone who likes gentle can't provide any points that explain his consistency or damage is good while everyone who doesn't like him or criticizes his design makes valid points on why his kit is unreliable and controversial. Use ur cranium m8.
Why exactly should they? They like the character and his design kit. That's literally all that's important. Not trying to sway the people who don't. If you want someone to come up with reasons to use a champ, do it yourself. Otherwise, move along.
Do you gonna say that everytime they Skip a buff for someone who needs and tell the person to simply pick another option?
If they gonna release a character that has problems and gonna ignore It soo you play with already existing options,them why release in the first besides getting profit?
Because he doesn't need a buff right now. Or else, they'd have said they're gonna change/buff him. Obviously. And yes, I say this exact same stuff for every other champ that people say needs this or that and kabam decides their fine. Because there's already 300+ champs in game. You get to pick 5 (6 if there's a choice node) for any given quest. Usually. If there's a champ you don't like, your free to skip or not use them. Same argument kabam is telling people about endgame content. Your free to skip it.
Also they said isophyne doesn't need a buff and she is not good. Her purpose as a serpent counter is irrelevant because she isn't even a good serpent counter anymore (She counters serpent but is very slow and unreliable) Sometimes champs that need buffs are skipped even if they need very small tweaks to be good.
The difference here is YOU think they need buffed. KABAM does not.
Well yeah it's not like they make the best choices when it comes to balancing. It's not like I'm the only one who thinks leader or isophyne or gentle is mid.
Doesn't matter though. Kabam decided they're good the way they are. For now at any rate. They have far more data than just you using said champ for a few days or weeks.
Yes they had Data that Bullseye was a infernal defender and what they did? they bug fix and nerfed him
And for Serpent that the data was clearly showing he was being too much of a problem for even high level players? Nothing and people who defend that later on changed ther opinion
Destroyer on attack was very mediocre and even on his best match ups like Hulkling,and again they din't change anything even tought he just needed a Boost on his charges gain that till today only have 2 reliable ways to get
It's not just because they have information that they will use that information in the best possible way.
Again, your failing to see the full picture. Which is, it is kabams game. They are happy with where gentle is, as well as serpent destroyer etc. If they feel like they need to change something, they will. You may not like that answer, but it is the answer.
Yes i'm falling to see why they din't add 2 changes for character like they did in the pass with recent characters, i'm falling to see the reason in the bigger picture of the actual state of the game offers and PVP modes besides profit, yes it's ther game and they change whatever they want but we are also make part of the game we do have voice for the decisions taken,or at least we should
I didn't like the answer but it's still an answer and?
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Serpent has nothing to do with this conversation. The point is that some characters dealing damage back to themselves is a thing that's built into their kit and some champs are just gonna have that. If you don't like it it doesn't mean the damage back is inherently a bad thing
Sorry that you need creators to tell you what's good about a champion in order to realise it instead of playing them and learning yourself I guess? I hulk is not as inconsistent as you're making him out to he, plus hes specifically designed to work best when hes dealt damage to himself and can go unblockable which completely removes the need for cooperative ai.
Does his ability work against Yelena or Patriot? I can't tell if Reversal is coded different than Bullseye's killer instinct. If so, then I think that if this is the Skill design philosophy going forward, then Gentle would have staying power.
Beside that his good and does a good job even tought others can do better
Sorry that you need creators to tell you what's good about a champion in order to realise it instead of playing them and learning yourself I guess? I hulk is not as inconsistent as you're making him out to he, plus hes specifically designed to work best when hes dealt damage to himself and can go unblockable which completely removes the need for cooperative ai.
Yes,i need to watch guides on some content creators to learn the character kit and rotation to later on try myself and see if i like the champion or not and whats wrong with going with the word of people more experienced than me with certain characters?
I din't even mentioned content creators only i also mentioned other IHulk mains that are just players that also have criticism about the character,i went to Discord and even there i din't got an awnser for that,you are literaly the first person i ever saw talking about IHulk being designed for such specific node
"Those characters aren't supposed to be high risk high reward. They're supposed to be more skill based reward."
Nobody, nobody this year besides Jean require skill for high damage and is not even skill just practice few fights, Okoye was released in the same month as gentle and she simply tap tap till S2, even Cyclops who is a example why Gentle abilities werent justifiable just need Intercept If you want to go for S3 rotation
No they are not high risk and high reward but Gentle is and his the second weakest champion this year,he ins't the first simply beaucase Joaquim Falcon doesn't have much damage to keep up with modern science champions
The only problem you're giving is that you don't like the damage back as if that makes it an objectively bad thing
No thats not the unique problem thats just the problem you made me call more atention too beaucase it is a bad mechanic that they din't made work properly besides being just bad and not interesting
Good part of people here said the same thing just works with the S2 incosistency
What were you saying about ridiculous comparison? a comparison between a Mastery that people CAN CHOSE if they will use to get a lot of damage or not and there is Gentle Recoil that is base kit and you can only midgate if the opponent die during special or high sig Awakening
Yeah i could have used a better example like Anti Venom that you have to chose between dealing damage or ultility,unless you have lady deathstrike synergy, thats a character with a drawback that give you something beneficial while Gentle gives nothing and IHulk the best you get is immortality with Unblockable
If they did with Punk then why not Gentle even tought people were using him anyways
And for Serpent that the data was clearly showing he was being too much of a problem for even high level players? Nothing and people who defend that later on changed ther opinion
Destroyer on attack was very mediocre and even on his best match ups like Hulkling,and again they din't change anything even tought he just needed a Boost on his charges gain that till today only have 2 reliable ways to get
It's not just because they have information that they will use that information in the best possible way.
I didn't like the answer but it's still an answer and?