This really is a whole lot of complaining about one single characters kit. Even if your argument is that he's supposed to be a bullseye counter, well there's already quite a few in game that do it better anyways so why even continue to cry about gentle? It's one champ. Out of 300+. Just use someone else.
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Nah. It's only a terrible take according to your opinion. Plenty of other people like gentle just the way he is and plenty of people understand why he was crated the way he is. Cope harder.
Yet anyone who likes gentle can't provide any points that explain his consistency or damage is good while everyone who doesn't like him or criticizes his design makes valid points on why his kit is unreliable and controversial. Use ur cranium m8.
Why exactly should they? They like the character and his design kit. That's literally all that's important. Not trying to sway the people who don't. If you want someone to come up with reasons to use a champ, do it yourself. Otherwise, move along.
This really is a whole lot of complaining about one single characters kit. Even if your argument is that he's supposed to be a bullseye counter, well there's already quite a few in game that do it better anyways so why even continue to cry about gentle? It's one champ. Out of 300+. Just use someone else.
*Joins conversation* *make a terrible take* *People point out that terrible take* *Proceeds to complain about the conversation* 🗣️
Nah. It's only a terrible take according to your opinion. Plenty of other people like gentle just the way he is and plenty of people understand why he was crated the way he is. Cope harder.
Yet anyone who likes gentle can't provide any points that explain his consistency or damage is good while everyone who doesn't like him or criticizes his design makes valid points on why his kit is unreliable and controversial. Use ur cranium m8.
Why exactly should they? They like the character and his design kit. That's literally all that's important. Not trying to sway the people who don't. If you want someone to come up with reasons to use a champ, do it yourself. Otherwise, move along.
Do you gonna say that everytime they Skip a buff for someone who needs and tell the person to simply pick another option?
If they gonna release a character that has problems and gonna ignore It soo you play with already existing options,them why release in the first besides getting profit?
Because he doesn't need a buff right now. Or else, they'd have said they're gonna change/buff him. Obviously. And yes, I say this exact same stuff for every other champ that people say needs this or that and kabam decides their fine. Because there's already 300+ champs in game. You get to pick 5 (6 if there's a choice node) for any given quest. Usually. If there's a champ you don't like, your free to skip or not use them. Same argument kabam is telling people about endgame content. Your free to skip it.
Also they said isophyne doesn't need a buff and she is not good. Her purpose as a serpent counter is irrelevant because she isn't even a good serpent counter anymore (She counters serpent but is very slow and unreliable) Sometimes champs that need buffs are skipped even if they need very small tweaks to be good.
The difference here is YOU think they need buffed. KABAM does not.
Well yeah it's not like they make the best choices when it comes to balancing. It's not like I'm the only one who thinks leader or isophyne or gentle is mid.
Doesn't matter though. Kabam decided they're good the way they are. For now at any rate. They have far more data than just you using said champ for a few days or weeks.
Yes they had Data that Bullseye was a infernal defender and what they did? they bug fix and nerfed him
And for Serpent that the data was clearly showing he was being too much of a problem for even high level players? Nothing and people who defend that later on changed ther opinion
Destroyer on attack was very mediocre and even on his best match ups like Hulkling,and again they din't change anything even tought he just needed a Boost on his charges gain that till today only have 2 reliable ways to get
It's not just because they have information that they will use that information in the best possible way.
Again, your failing to see the full picture. Which is, it is kabams game. They are happy with where gentle is, as well as serpent destroyer etc. If they feel like they need to change something, they will. You may not like that answer, but it is the answer.
Yes i'm falling to see why they din't add 2 changes for character like they did in the pass with recent characters, i'm falling to see the reason in the bigger picture of the actual state of the game offers and PVP modes besides profit, yes it's ther game and they change whatever they want but we are also make part of the game we do have voice for the decisions taken,or at least we should
I didn't like the answer but it's still an answer and?
I suggested guaranteed crits on sp2 but on second thought that would make him way too strong. He would be annihilating Bullseyes in 30 secs with 100% hp and they've already said they don't want another Iron Doom/Bishop or Galan/Peni situation ever again. Right now if you go for two sp2s he still finishes fights in 50ish secs which isn't too bad, considering his dual threat capabilities it really isn't that bad, he didn't need the buff. Would've been nice sure but it probably would've been too much.
This really is a whole lot of complaining about one single characters kit. Even if your argument is that he's supposed to be a bullseye counter, well there's already quite a few in game that do it better anyways so why even continue to cry about gentle? It's one champ. Out of 300+. Just use someone else.
*Joins conversation* *make a terrible take* *People point out that terrible take* *Proceeds to complain about the conversation* 🗣️
Nah. It's only a terrible take according to your opinion. Plenty of other people like gentle just the way he is and plenty of people understand why he was crated the way he is. Cope harder.
Yet anyone who likes gentle can't provide any points that explain his consistency or damage is good while everyone who doesn't like him or criticizes his design makes valid points on why his kit is unreliable and controversial. Use ur cranium m8.
Why exactly should they? They like the character and his design kit. That's literally all that's important. Not trying to sway the people who don't. If you want someone to come up with reasons to use a champ, do it yourself. Otherwise, move along.
This really is a whole lot of complaining about one single characters kit. Even if your argument is that he's supposed to be a bullseye counter, well there's already quite a few in game that do it better anyways so why even continue to cry about gentle? It's one champ. Out of 300+. Just use someone else.
*Joins conversation* *make a terrible take* *People point out that terrible take* *Proceeds to complain about the conversation* 🗣️
Nah. It's only a terrible take according to your opinion. Plenty of other people like gentle just the way he is and plenty of people understand why he was crated the way he is. Cope harder.
Yet anyone who likes gentle can't provide any points that explain his consistency or damage is good while everyone who doesn't like him or criticizes his design makes valid points on why his kit is unreliable and controversial. Use ur cranium m8.
Why exactly should they? They like the character and his design kit. That's literally all that's important. Not trying to sway the people who don't. If you want someone to come up with reasons to use a champ, do it yourself. Otherwise, move along.
Do you gonna say that everytime they Skip a buff for someone who needs and tell the person to simply pick another option?
If they gonna release a character that has problems and gonna ignore It soo you play with already existing options,them why release in the first besides getting profit?
Because he doesn't need a buff right now. Or else, they'd have said they're gonna change/buff him. Obviously. And yes, I say this exact same stuff for every other champ that people say needs this or that and kabam decides their fine. Because there's already 300+ champs in game. You get to pick 5 (6 if there's a choice node) for any given quest. Usually. If there's a champ you don't like, your free to skip or not use them. Same argument kabam is telling people about endgame content. Your free to skip it.
Also they said isophyne doesn't need a buff and she is not good. Her purpose as a serpent counter is irrelevant because she isn't even a good serpent counter anymore (She counters serpent but is very slow and unreliable) Sometimes champs that need buffs are skipped even if they need very small tweaks to be good.
The difference here is YOU think they need buffed. KABAM does not.
Well yeah it's not like they make the best choices when it comes to balancing. It's not like I'm the only one who thinks leader or isophyne or gentle is mid.
Doesn't matter though. Kabam decided they're good the way they are. For now at any rate. They have far more data than just you using said champ for a few days or weeks.
Yes they had Data that Bullseye was a infernal defender and what they did? they bug fix and nerfed him
And for Serpent that the data was clearly showing he was being too much of a problem for even high level players? Nothing and people who defend that later on changed ther opinion
Destroyer on attack was very mediocre and even on his best match ups like Hulkling,and again they din't change anything even tought he just needed a Boost on his charges gain that till today only have 2 reliable ways to get
It's not just because they have information that they will use that information in the best possible way.
Again, your failing to see the full picture. Which is, it is kabams game. They are happy with where gentle is, as well as serpent destroyer etc. If they feel like they need to change something, they will. You may not like that answer, but it is the answer.
Yes i'm falling to see why they din't add 2 changes for character like they did in the pass with recent characters, i'm falling to see the reason in the bigger picture of the actual state of the game offers and PVP modes besides profit, yes it's ther game and they change whatever they want but we are also make part of the game we do have voice for the decisions taken,or at least we should
I didn't like the answer but it's still an answer and?
There is no and. It's either agree or disagree with their decision. If you don't like it, don't use the champ. It's not rocket science. Move on to the next one. You actually don't get to have a voice. You can make your disagreement in a forum post or what not but kabam isnt obligated to do anything with that. The games been around for almost 11 years now. Obviously they've done something right and made the (mostly) correct decisions. Id put my faith in their decisions over one or two people being disappointed in the way a champ was designed and not changed.
There's no need for recoils, Let bro do his whole damage without getting spanked by random recoil damage.
Swear Kabam is so damn scared that they'll make another CGR Hercules despite making god awful defenders back to back in row.
So bad.
It's in keeping with his comic lore where using his powers uncontrollably caused him damage. That's the point behind it
Devil Hulk din't had that problem and Gentle as show in the comments also doesn't have have almost 8 years, doesn't even make sense the Self crit damage nerf beaucase he Gets stronger not weaker, him hurting himself doesn't take away part of his strengh
Devil hulk also isnt in game. Even if gentle doesn't have that issue in comics now, he did at one point and that's the version kabam used. Nothing wrong with that. It's a new take on existing mechanics. Also nothing wrong there.
Immortal hulk is Devil Hulk and no his not Below All beaucase theres a huge design difference and story,in game story it's Devil Hulk
and yes there is a problem in using this existing mechanic that NOBODY LIKED, It's the same thing as using an bad old event model that already exists and using it today, It didn't work in the past and it doesn't work now and it didn't add anything other than a detail that didn't even need to exist to beggin with.
Not just beaucase already existed that wans't bad
If people didn't like recoils then why do so many people use the suicide masteries?
Unlike the character you can chose to turn off and when to use the Mastery that in compensation gives you basicly double damage, Ihulk and Gentle is base kit ability with only gentle having a way to midgate the self Damage with Awakening and they don't get extra damage for it they simply lose health
And the reward is not worth huge incosistency they have as much on Gentle crit chance and Hulk needing the Ai to coperate soo you can stack rage and deal more damage
they have a reason to have recoil but still a bad reason for a bad mechanic
You want a drawback mechanic that doesn't require to kill yourself to use? Why din't they focus on weaknesses and gave the character another damage source to focus, Gentle for example could get weaknesses and the special damage would come from the reverb and daunted boosting, Ihulk too you could make the rage give you less base attack damage but increase your burst damage
And we have that in game with Toxic Armor from Venom Duck,the opponent gets more armor rating but you deal a burst of damage based on ther armor rating,thats where they took Serpent special 2 from
There's no need for recoils, Let bro do his whole damage without getting spanked by random recoil damage.
Swear Kabam is so damn scared that they'll make another CGR Hercules despite making god awful defenders back to back in row.
So bad.
It's in keeping with his comic lore where using his powers uncontrollably caused him damage. That's the point behind it
Devil Hulk din't had that problem and Gentle as show in the comments also doesn't have have almost 8 years, doesn't even make sense the Self crit damage nerf beaucase he Gets stronger not weaker, him hurting himself doesn't take away part of his strengh
Devil hulk also isnt in game. Even if gentle doesn't have that issue in comics now, he did at one point and that's the version kabam used. Nothing wrong with that. It's a new take on existing mechanics. Also nothing wrong there.
Immortal hulk is Devil Hulk and no his not Below All beaucase theres a huge design difference and story,in game story it's Devil Hulk
and yes there is a problem in using this existing mechanic that NOBODY LIKED, It's the same thing as using an bad old event model that already exists and using it today, It didn't work in the past and it doesn't work now and it didn't add anything other than a detail that didn't even need to exist to beggin with.
Not just beaucase already existed that wans't bad
If people didn't like recoils then why do so many people use the suicide masteries?
Well simple, most champs do better damage. No one is going to Like a champ with built in recoil that does average damage and can't achieve anything past average damage. Gentle's recoil is just off-brand.
He doesn't have average damage though
Again the ABSOLUTE MOST damage he can do on his sp2 as a 7* r3 is 300k-350k and that's with the long rotation. That is damage a lot of champs can achieve with more reliability,utility and a cooler play style. Tbh when you total it, gentle has below average damage for the risk you take playing him and I'm not even talking about recoil at this point.
This really is a whole lot of complaining about one single characters kit. Even if your argument is that he's supposed to be a bullseye counter, well there's already quite a few in game that do it better anyways so why even continue to cry about gentle? It's one champ. Out of 300+. Just use someone else.
*Joins conversation* *make a terrible take* *People point out that terrible take* *Proceeds to complain about the conversation* 🗣️
Nah. It's only a terrible take according to your opinion. Plenty of other people like gentle just the way he is and plenty of people understand why he was crated the way he is. Cope harder.
Yet anyone who likes gentle can't provide any points that explain his consistency or damage is good while everyone who doesn't like him or criticizes his design makes valid points on why his kit is unreliable and controversial. Use ur cranium m8.
Why exactly should they? They like the character and his design kit. That's literally all that's important. Not trying to sway the people who don't. If you want someone to come up with reasons to use a champ, do it yourself. Otherwise, move along.
This really is a whole lot of complaining about one single characters kit. Even if your argument is that he's supposed to be a bullseye counter, well there's already quite a few in game that do it better anyways so why even continue to cry about gentle? It's one champ. Out of 300+. Just use someone else.
*Joins conversation* *make a terrible take* *People point out that terrible take* *Proceeds to complain about the conversation* 🗣️
Nah. It's only a terrible take according to your opinion. Plenty of other people like gentle just the way he is and plenty of people understand why he was crated the way he is. Cope harder.
Yet anyone who likes gentle can't provide any points that explain his consistency or damage is good while everyone who doesn't like him or criticizes his design makes valid points on why his kit is unreliable and controversial. Use ur cranium m8.
Why exactly should they? They like the character and his design kit. That's literally all that's important. Not trying to sway the people who don't. If you want someone to come up with reasons to use a champ, do it yourself. Otherwise, move along.
Do you gonna say that everytime they Skip a buff for someone who needs and tell the person to simply pick another option?
If they gonna release a character that has problems and gonna ignore It soo you play with already existing options,them why release in the first besides getting profit?
Because he doesn't need a buff right now. Or else, they'd have said they're gonna change/buff him. Obviously. And yes, I say this exact same stuff for every other champ that people say needs this or that and kabam decides their fine. Because there's already 300+ champs in game. You get to pick 5 (6 if there's a choice node) for any given quest. Usually. If there's a champ you don't like, your free to skip or not use them. Same argument kabam is telling people about endgame content. Your free to skip it.
Also they said isophyne doesn't need a buff and she is not good. Her purpose as a serpent counter is irrelevant because she isn't even a good serpent counter anymore (She counters serpent but is very slow and unreliable) Sometimes champs that need buffs are skipped even if they need very small tweaks to be good.
The difference here is YOU think they need buffed. KABAM does not.
Well yeah it's not like they make the best choices when it comes to balancing. It's not like I'm the only one who thinks leader or isophyne or gentle is mid.
Doesn't matter though. Kabam decided they're good the way they are. For now at any rate. They have far more data than just you using said champ for a few days or weeks.
Yes they had Data that Bullseye was a infernal defender and what they did? they bug fix and nerfed him
And for Serpent that the data was clearly showing he was being too much of a problem for even high level players? Nothing and people who defend that later on changed ther opinion
Destroyer on attack was very mediocre and even on his best match ups like Hulkling,and again they din't change anything even tought he just needed a Boost on his charges gain that till today only have 2 reliable ways to get
It's not just because they have information that they will use that information in the best possible way.
Again, your failing to see the full picture. Which is, it is kabams game. They are happy with where gentle is, as well as serpent destroyer etc. If they feel like they need to change something, they will. You may not like that answer, but it is the answer.
Yes i'm falling to see why they din't add 2 changes for character like they did in the pass with recent characters, i'm falling to see the reason in the bigger picture of the actual state of the game offers and PVP modes besides profit, yes it's ther game and they change whatever they want but we are also make part of the game we do have voice for the decisions taken,or at least we should
I didn't like the answer but it's still an answer and?
Rebalancing has nothing to do with anything character but the character they're buffing. They aren't just trying to bring every champion up to the same level, they're trying to making the individual champion something that they want them to be
There's no need for recoils, Let bro do his whole damage without getting spanked by random recoil damage.
Swear Kabam is so damn scared that they'll make another CGR Hercules despite making god awful defenders back to back in row.
So bad.
It's in keeping with his comic lore where using his powers uncontrollably caused him damage. That's the point behind it
Devil Hulk din't had that problem and Gentle as show in the comments also doesn't have have almost 8 years, doesn't even make sense the Self crit damage nerf beaucase he Gets stronger not weaker, him hurting himself doesn't take away part of his strengh
Devil hulk also isnt in game. Even if gentle doesn't have that issue in comics now, he did at one point and that's the version kabam used. Nothing wrong with that. It's a new take on existing mechanics. Also nothing wrong there.
Immortal hulk is Devil Hulk and no his not Below All beaucase theres a huge design difference and story,in game story it's Devil Hulk
and yes there is a problem in using this existing mechanic that NOBODY LIKED, It's the same thing as using an bad old event model that already exists and using it today, It didn't work in the past and it doesn't work now and it didn't add anything other than a detail that didn't even need to exist to beggin with.
Not just beaucase already existed that wans't bad
Immortal hulk is not devil hulk. They're two separate identities of his personas. Regardless of that fact, gentle works absolutely fine the way he is. Just because YOU don't like doesn't mean its not a good working kit. Not every champ will appeal to every player. That's never changed.
Tbh tho gentles kit doesn't work, it's very controversial. A champ that's main purpose is to counter bullseye does physical damage (bullseye has very high phys resistance). Recoil is a mechanic that allows your champion to do an overwhelming amount of special damage but punish you by removing health each time it is used, however gentle gets his critical damage rating halved during his special 2 ultimately resulting in below average damage. The most damage he can do is 300k in a special 2 using the sp3 rotation and that's BAD for a 7* r3. He isn't a nuke either because he is incredibly inconsistent with muscle mass rng and sp2 rng. It's not like people don't like his kit, he is just unreliable as hell with very little payoff.
Sooo. Why did you R3 him?
Shiny new champ that I got out of a titan. It was either him or bishop and champ recency syndrome made me regret my decision.
why is my bro iHulk catching smoke he's hella consistent
He is hella consistent but look at the tomfoolery recent ai has been doing recently (not throwing specials, intercepting and blocking for 5 years) it kinda screws him over easily when you want to do a lot of damage. Tbh ihulk isn't anywhere as mid or as inconsistent as gentle it's just that AI makes playing ihulk hell.
why is my bro iHulk catching smoke he's hella consistent
He is hella consistent but look at the tomfoolery recent ai has been doing recently (not throwing specials, intercepting and blocking for 5 years) it kinda screws him over easily when you want to do a lot of damage. Tbh ihulk isn't anywhere as mid or as inconsistent as gentle it's just that AI makes playing ihulk hell.
Ihulk situation could be better if he had Built in passive Taunt/Infuriate based on his Rage charges, Makes you keep up with the agressive play style,i think even with that he would get screwed beaucase nowdays even Kate corner passive and Leader door ain't work properly sometimes
For his rage i would do the same as Adam but they are paused during your heavy and the relic doesn't add charges just reset them
Those characters aren't supposed to be high risk high reward. They're supposed to be more skill based reward.
Sorry that you need creators to tell you what's good about a champion in order to realise it instead of playing them and learning yourself I guess? I hulk is not as inconsistent as you're making him out to he, plus hes specifically designed to work best when hes dealt damage to himself and can go unblockable which completely removes the need for cooperative ai.
Yes,i need to watch guides on some content creators to learn the character kit and rotation to later on try myself and see if i like the champion or not and whats wrong with going with the word of people more experienced than me with certain characters?
I din't even mentioned content creators only i also mentioned other IHulk mains that are just players that also have criticism about the character,i went to Discord and even there i din't got an awnser for that,you are literaly the first person i ever saw talking about IHulk being designed for such specific node
"Those characters aren't supposed to be high risk high reward. They're supposed to be more skill based reward."
Nobody, nobody this year besides Jean require skill for high damage and is not even skill just practice few fights, Okoye was released in the same month as gentle and she simply tap tap till S2, even Cyclops who is a example why Gentle abilities werent justifiable just need Intercept If you want to go for S3 rotation
No they are not high risk and high reward but Gentle is and his the second weakest champion this year,he ins't the first simply beaucase Joaquim Falcon doesn't have much damage to keep up with modern science champions
The issue is that you saying that creators don't talk about immortal hulk therefore he isnt good is just a little ridiculous. You're talking about a small percentage of the playerbase as if they
Cyclops and okoye both also lack utility and cyclops honestly takes way longer to finish a fight unless you're using the highest rank available.
why is my bro iHulk catching smoke he's hella consistent
He is hella consistent but look at the tomfoolery recent ai has been doing recently (not throwing specials, intercepting and blocking for 5 years) it kinda screws him over easily when you want to do a lot of damage. Tbh ihulk isn't anywhere as mid or as inconsistent as gentle it's just that AI makes playing ihulk hell.
You just gotta rely on building rage with the relic and when hes unblockable, completely removes a lot of his incosistency
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Right now if you go for two sp2s he still finishes fights in 50ish secs which isn't too bad, considering his dual threat capabilities it really isn't that bad, he didn't need the buff. Would've been nice sure but it probably would've been too much.
For his rage i would do the same as Adam but they are paused during your heavy and the relic doesn't add charges just reset them
I din't even mentioned content creators only i also mentioned other IHulk mains that are just players that also have criticism about the character,i went to Discord and even there i din't got an awnser for that,you are literaly the first person i ever saw talking about IHulk being designed for such specific node
"Those characters aren't supposed to be high risk high reward. They're supposed to be more skill based reward."
Nobody, nobody this year besides Jean require skill for high damage and is not even skill just practice few fights, Okoye was released in the same month as gentle and she simply tap tap till S2, even Cyclops who is a example why Gentle abilities werent justifiable just need Intercept If you want to go for S3 rotation
No they are not high risk and high reward but Gentle is and his the second weakest champion this year,he ins't the first simply beaucase Joaquim Falcon doesn't have much damage to keep up with modern science champions
The issue is that you saying that creators don't talk about immortal hulk therefore he isnt good is just a little ridiculous. You're talking about a small percentage of the playerbase as if they
Cyclops and okoye both also lack utility and cyclops honestly takes way longer to finish a fight unless you're using the highest rank available. You just gotta rely on building rage with the relic and when hes unblockable, completely removes a lot of his incosistency