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Blacklists should be dropped before they are being introduced

captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 13,448 ★★★★★
This is clearly a pro - whale move. Imagine not being able to use a champ for entire month. Whales can rank up other options easily but ftp/casuals will suffer, especially if, let's say dthanos is blacklisted and he is your only r4(totally possible).

And whitelists, what kind of players can rank up champs just for one season, yes you're right, whales

If they want to make stuff competitive, then implement blacklist/whitelist above mysterium. I don't remember a single soul asking for this and I know it's early to hate something that's not even released, but the cons are too heavy for this one.
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  • PT_99PT_99 Member Posts: 6,338 ★★★★★
    Just have some voting system during offseason in-game,
    Top-1,2,3 gets banned/whitelist
  • FolkvangrFolkvangr Member Posts: 355 ★★★

    I don’t think you thought this through. Blacklist being a pro whale move? Whales are the first ones typically with the annoying defenders like the recent Jean Grey and Yelena. If these are Blacklisted, the whales won’t get the immediate benefit and everybody else will.

    Whales have the resources to rank up a lot of champions, if they ban their defender they’ll just rank up another one
    The rest can’t do that, if the ban their defender we’ll have to use someone at a lower rank
  • JESUSCHRISTJESUSCHRIST Member Posts: 2,271 ★★★★
    I wouldn't mind, I have a wide roster so I wouldn't be affected at all

    I might even benefit bcos I can out-roster the smaller valiant players
  • SuckmysigmaSuckmysigma Member Posts: 80

    I wouldn't mind, I have a wide roster so I wouldn't be affected at all

    I might even benefit bcos I can out-roster the smaller valiant players

    But see what about lower plays like me? Not everyone has a huge roster or an insane amount of resources. I rank up a champ with Story mode and BGs in mind but now there's a possibility that my top champs are condemned to story mode. In theory this sounds like a great idea but in paper this could kill BGs.
  • MagicBentonMagicBenton Member Posts: 302 ★★★

    I don’t think you thought this through. Blacklist being a pro whale move? Whales are the first ones typically with the annoying defenders like the recent Jean Grey and Yelena. If these are Blacklisted, the whales won’t get the immediate benefit and everybody else will.

    I assume they will treat it like they do in AW (well, used to, I think this AW season is different) where the most banned champs are Blacklisted for a season and then go on the Whitelist for a season. The odds that new champs will be banned more than those that most everyone has are not high.

    I think the biggest question is how many champs go on the list? If it's 3 or so I think most people will be fine taking a break from some combination of the normal bans every other season. If it's more than that it could be annoying.
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 6,571 ★★★★★
    Folkvangr said:

    I don’t think you thought this through. Blacklist being a pro whale move? Whales are the first ones typically with the annoying defenders like the recent Jean Grey and Yelena. If these are Blacklisted, the whales won’t get the immediate benefit and everybody else will.

    Whales have the resources to rank up a lot of champions, if they ban their defender they’ll just rank up another one
    The rest can’t do that, if the ban their defender we’ll have to use someone at a lower rank
    The chances of you having the same defenders ranked up as them are higher if they're older tho, if they ban the newer defenders only whales have then that's a good thing no matter how you spin it, and since this is GC the chances of you, an endgame player, not having most of the staple defenders that have been out for over 6 months are very low. Even I have most of them and I took a 5 month break last year.
    Let's say they ban Yelena Zola and Dark Phoenix, you most likely already have Serpent Photon Onslaught Enchantress etc ranked up. Also, whales already have these defenders ranked up anyways, blacklisting won't be a bad thing as long as they're banning the tough newest champs only whales have access to. Now if hey banned Serpent Photon and Enchantress and left Yelena Zola and Dark Phoenix unbanned then that would be a problem but I doubt they'll do that, we'll have to see.
  • Darkness275Darkness275 Member Posts: 916 ★★★★
    I really don't like the idea of a whitelist or blacklist for BGs, and I have a massive roster.

    I'd much prefer see a shift to how drafting and bans are done rather than a whitelist / blacklist.
    • Increase to the deck size.
    • Increase to the total drafted champions.
    • Standard pre-draft bans remain (maybe drop these to two instead of three).
    • One ban added to the middle of the draft.
    • One additional ban if the match gets to round three - this would clearly be a ban of the remaining drafted champions.
    I know it would make the draft stage longer, but I feel like it would add some layered strategic planning to BGs that we don't really see.
  • BigBlueOxBigBlueOx Member Posts: 3,047 ★★★★★
    It isn’t pro whale, it’s pro Kabam. Go buy new toys because you guys play with your favorites too much
  • Herbal_TaxmanHerbal_Taxman Member Posts: 2,592 ★★★★★
    BigBlueOx said:

    It isn’t pro whale, it’s pro Kabam. Go buy new toys because you guys play with your favorites too much

    I agree and I think it’s also an indictment of the metas design and structure of BG in general. They (presumably) want us to use more / different champs. But rather than do something creative with the meta or create some other incentive, they just use the blunt force solution of a blacklist. Not great.
  • BigBlueOxBigBlueOx Member Posts: 3,047 ★★★★★

    BigBlueOx said:

    It isn’t pro whale, it’s pro Kabam. Go buy new toys because you guys play with your favorites too much

    I agree and I think it’s also an indictment of the metas design and structure of BG in general. They (presumably) want us to use more / different champs. But rather than do something creative with the meta or create some other incentive, they just use the blunt force solution of a blacklist. Not great.
    Get ready for a perpetual cycle of new champs white listed, meta favorites black listed because they overlap with the new toy
  • BigBlueOxBigBlueOx Member Posts: 3,047 ★★★★★

    I don’t think you thought this through. Blacklist being a pro whale move? Whales are the first ones typically with the annoying defenders like the recent Jean Grey and Yelena. If these are Blacklisted, the whales won’t get the immediate benefit and everybody else will.

    If you think that hot new champs like Jean and Yelena or P2W champs like Dark Phoenix, Torch, Red Guardian, etc. will be blacklisted by Kabam, I have a beautiful bridge overlooking the East River to sell you.
    You could hear on the stream, the developer (sorry, forgot his name) mention Bullseye like 20 times.
    You nailed it. Couldn’t agree more.
  • willrun4adonutwillrun4adonut Member Posts: 6,881 ★★★★★


    • One additional ban if the match gets to round three - this would clearly be a ban of the remaining drafted champions.
    I normally don't like the changes people suggest, but this one actually seems really intriguing to me and would like to see how it would actually play out if done.
  • SquidopusSquidopus Member Posts: 1,029 ★★★★★

    I really don't like the idea of a whitelist or blacklist for BGs, and I have a massive roster.

    I'd much prefer see a shift to how drafting and bans are done rather than a whitelist / blacklist.

    • Increase to the deck size.
    • Increase to the total drafted champions.
    • Standard pre-draft bans remain (maybe drop these to two instead of three).
    • One ban added to the middle of the draft.
    • One additional ban if the match gets to round three - this would clearly be a ban of the remaining drafted champions.
    I know it would make the draft stage longer, but I feel like it would add some layered strategic planning to BGs that we don't really see.
    For all the complaints here about the blacklist benefitting whales, surely increasing deck size is the absolute most straightforward way to give whales the edge, they almost definitionally have a bigger roster than the rest of us and have the resources to stack the deck in their favor. Having 30 champs in fighting form is already a bit of an ask for the average player, increasing that just increases the strain on newer players to join the mode and pushes the middle of the pack in a more awkward spot, especially since to be BGs fit you need more than just a static 30.

    I also don’t see any world where mid-match bans make things more strategic rather than less; you’re telling me I gotta save TWO counters for each defender ready in my draft in case I hit round 3 and my opponent bans the only counter I have to their defender? I understand this suggestion is concurrent with one that suggests increasing the number of drafted champs but I don’t like the idea of having to pick multiple Serpent counters just on the off-chance I get to round 3 and my opponent wisely bans my one counter, except in having two Serpent counters in my draft I’ve got less room to do the same with my opponent’s Bullseye or Zola so I haven’t actually escaped the situation unless I do this with EVERY defender the opponent drafts.
  • N8buckeye08N8buckeye08 Member Posts: 480 ★★★
    I think the blacklist could be beneficial if done well. It would be great if enchantress was blacklisted on some of the recent power gain metas.
  • phillgreenphillgreen Member Posts: 4,668 ★★★★★
    Is there a thread somewhere explaining what's happening? I have no idea, like usual.
  • FolkvangrFolkvangr Member Posts: 355 ★★★

    Is there a thread somewhere explaining what's happening? I have no idea, like usual.

    Kabam plans to add a blacklist (certain champs banned for the whole season) and whitelist (certain champs can’t be banned) to Battlegrounds
  • startropicsstartropics Member Posts: 1,503 ★★★★★
    i already gave my thoughts on blacklists/whitelists in AW a while ago and my opinions haven't changed. bringing this to BGs would make it so much worse than it already is.

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/365322/alliance-wars-the-long-term-nerf-that-nobody-talks-about#latest


    ^this applied to AW at the time and it kind of applies here.
  • phillgreenphillgreen Member Posts: 4,668 ★★★★★
    Folkvangr said:

    Is there a thread somewhere explaining what's happening? I have no idea, like usual.

    Kabam plans to add a blacklist (certain champs banned for the whole season) and whitelist (certain champs can’t be banned) to Battlegrounds
    I cant imagine this being good at all for the same people who complain about BG's every month.
  • BigBlueOxBigBlueOx Member Posts: 3,047 ★★★★★

    i already gave my thoughts on blacklists/whitelists in AW a while ago and my opinions haven't changed. bringing this to BGs would make it so much worse than it already is.

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/365322/alliance-wars-the-long-term-nerf-that-nobody-talks-about#latest


    ^this applied to AW at the time and it kind of applies here.

    It’s a good chart. I expect this iteration to be more focused on manipulating the chase for new releases but same flow concept.
  • startropicsstartropics Member Posts: 1,503 ★★★★★
    edited July 3
    BigBlueOx said:

    i already gave my thoughts on blacklists/whitelists in AW a while ago and my opinions haven't changed. bringing this to BGs would make it so much worse than it already is.

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/365322/alliance-wars-the-long-term-nerf-that-nobody-talks-about#latest


    ^this applied to AW at the time and it kind of applies here.

    It’s a good chart. I expect this iteration to be more focused on manipulating the chase for new releases but same flow concept.
    you're gonna make me cry. they'll probably lean more into attacker bans (and probably the better counters for meta defenders) while selling champs that coincidentally cover that utility.
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