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My thoughts on High Evolutionary.

EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 11,311 ★★★★★
edited 12:27AM in General Discussion


So, I just got the 3* High Evolutionary from arena, and here are my overall thoughts

Things I like
  • Damage: Though his damage isn't the absolute highest, he is still somewhat usable in short fights, provided that both are at equal ranks, or is punching down. No one in game currently is immune to Combo detonation, nor the extra dmg when inside the field, so that's pretty good. In longer fights, just repeat the SP1 SP2 loop several times.
  • Utility: Similar to damage, High Evo doesn't have that much utility compared to other science attackers, he does still have the usual science stuff, such as heal reversal via despair, some power gain reduction via Wither and Exhaustion, plus some of his debuffs cannot be purified, which can be helpful vs certain nodes. He is also immune to buffs from Champions, so he does counter some tough mystics like Nico Minoru and Spider Man Supreme, who are known for placing buffs onto you.
  • Defense and sustainability: His main defensive threats are his autoblock which cannot trigger Parry, and the combo detonation. To fight him, use alternating attacks, like when playing Spiral or going against Mix Master. I think anyone can take him, but skill champs with high combo count and multi hit combos can get past his combo detonation. High Evo does shut down true sense and undermine, but he doesn't shut off other True effects such as True Accuracy or True Strike, so champs who have those can also bypass his autoblock. His autoblock is also immune to AAR, so no using XBones or Falcon to shut that off. However, I do think that he's gonna be somewhat annoying with certain node combinations, such as Special focus 2, stun immunity, intercepting and knockdown nodes, but we'll see.
  • Prestige: He has the highest prestige in game, so anyone who cares about prestige will want him and have him duped.
  • Signature ability: Pretty helpful, the more sigs, the more effective this will be. Plus the higher sig increases his prestige
Things that I do not like and should be improved
  • Flow and management: His rotation requires building up debuffs to inflict that combo detonation, using SP2 to place the Evolutionary Field, and detonating it using a Sp1. I have tested him out vs some defenders, and I feel that the field lasts too short for me to land 2 sp1s for max damage, so maybe it should last a bit longer? I also feel like his combo detonation should increase when you attack (similar to Beta Ray bill) and that it will make his rotation less stressful to manage.
Overall, I think he will be decent, but as of 2025, I don't think he'll be the best science champ of the year unfortunately (Spider Woman is still at the top this year). To me, the High Evolutionary is basically the science Silver Surfer. Very high prestige, ok damage and utility, but his rotation can be a bit stressful at times to manage.

Thoughts?

Comments

  • ButtehrsButtehrs Member Posts: 8,490 ★★★★★
    Why wouldn't you just add this to your own thread asking people their thoughts on the champ? Your turning into pixie 2.0. There's no need to make multiple posts on the same champ.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 11,311 ★★★★★
    Buttehrs said:

    Why wouldn't you just add this to your own thread asking people their thoughts on the champ? Your turning into pixie 2.0. There's no need to make multiple posts on the same champ.

    Well the last time I did, nobody responded
  • ButtehrsButtehrs Member Posts: 8,490 ★★★★★
    edited 1:01AM
    EdisonLaw said:

    Buttehrs said:

    Why wouldn't you just add this to your own thread asking people their thoughts on the champ? Your turning into pixie 2.0. There's no need to make multiple posts on the same champ.

    Well the last time I did, nobody responded
    Because cluttering the forums with the exact same topic makes it better? Do you really need a response? There's life outside the internet ya know.
  • Herbal_TaxmanHerbal_Taxman Member Posts: 2,685 ★★★★★
    You’re a strange dude.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 11,311 ★★★★★

    You’re a strange dude.

    I’m effective, that’s all
  • ButtehrsButtehrs Member Posts: 8,490 ★★★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    You’re a strange dude.

    I’m effective, that’s all
    Your not. But believe what ya want i guess?
  • ButtehrsButtehrs Member Posts: 8,490 ★★★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    Buttehrs said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    Buttehrs said:

    Why wouldn't you just add this to your own thread asking people their thoughts on the champ? Your turning into pixie 2.0. There's no need to make multiple posts on the same champ.

    Well the last time I did, nobody responded
    Because cluttering the forums with the exact same topic makes it better? Do you really need a response? There's life outside the internet ya know.
    I absolutely do not care if I get a response or not. As long as I get RESULTS, I am fine with whatever happens
    So, responses. Got it.
  • GilbertoJuniorGilbertoJunior Member Posts: 385


    things that pisses me off on him right of the gate, The burst number realy doesn't help in anything

    the attack rating on field should be in all attacks and the slow effect should be active if the opponent have debuffs and not just during specials

    the Awakening too has too much dependency on high sig for not soo much extra results

    i hate soo much when the damage increase of characters are tied to solely specials or something else specific in ther kit that is briefly temporary
  • peixemacacopeixemacaco Member Posts: 5,616 ★★★★★
    Great Edison

    I will try on Arenas for my Silver Surfer 2
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 11,311 ★★★★★



    things that pisses me off on him right of the gate, The burst number realy doesn't help in anything

    the attack rating on field should be in all attacks and the slow effect should be active if the opponent have debuffs and not just during specials

    the Awakening too has too much dependency on high sig for not soo much extra results

    i hate soo much when the damage increase of characters are tied to solely specials or something else specific in ther kit that is briefly temporary

    I think the burst damage should be a bit higher, such as 50% or something like that. The field should last a bit longer as well
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 11,311 ★★★★★
    edited 1:43AM

    Great Edison

    I will try on Arenas for my Silver Surfer 2

    Good luck, if you get a 6 or 7*, he could be a potentially good defender in lower tier BGs, maybe not in GC since everyone seems to have hard counters for him already
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 11,311 ★★★★★
    I also believe that his rotation is a bit AI-dependent. Like if the opponent refuses to throw a special within the field or the AI is acting weird (holding block), the field will fall off and so will the combo detonation, which means you'll have to re-ramp once again. I believe adding a Taunt or an infuriate in the field will help a lot with the rotation, and even make him better on defense as well.
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 13,647 ★★★★★
    @TotemCorruption you got the expert opinion.
  • Ragnaruk5178Ragnaruk5178 Member Posts: 701 ★★★
    @EdisonLaw continue with what you’re doing. It’s nice to see dedication to a champ you like. There’s no ‘clutter’ in my opinion
  • WednesdayLengthWednesdayLength Member Posts: 3,364 ★★★★★



    things that pisses me off on him right of the gate, The burst number realy doesn't help in anything

    the attack rating on field should be in all attacks and the slow effect should be active if the opponent have debuffs and not just during specials

    the Awakening too has too much dependency on high sig for not soo much extra results

    i hate soo much when the damage increase of characters are tied to solely specials or something else specific in ther kit that is briefly temporary

    That attack bonus on all attacks would be absurdly strong
  • GilbertoJuniorGilbertoJunior Member Posts: 385



    things that pisses me off on him right of the gate, The burst number realy doesn't help in anything

    the attack rating on field should be in all attacks and the slow effect should be active if the opponent have debuffs and not just during specials

    the Awakening too has too much dependency on high sig for not soo much extra results

    i hate soo much when the damage increase of characters are tied to solely specials or something else specific in ther kit that is briefly temporary

    That attack bonus on all attacks would be absurdly strong
    But his already extremely weak on both sides and situational

    I wouldn't even care to nerf this as long it was for all attacks,and thats because i was talking about damage and not other problems like his rotation and how the devolve and evolve works
  • PT_99PT_99 Member Posts: 6,391 ★★★★★
    Buttehrs said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    You’re a strange dude.

    I’m effective, that’s all
    Your not. But believe what ya want i guess?
    Why are you turning into scuffed Ironman-2.0
  • Shamir51Shamir51 Member Posts: 1,240 ★★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    Buttehrs said:

    Why wouldn't you just add this to your own thread asking people their thoughts on the champ? Your turning into pixie 2.0. There's no need to make multiple posts on the same champ.

    Well the last time I did, nobody responded
    And you didnt take the hint???
  • ButtehrsButtehrs Member Posts: 8,490 ★★★★★
    PT_99 said:

    Buttehrs said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    You’re a strange dude.

    I’m effective, that’s all
    Your not. But believe what ya want i guess?
    Why are you turning into scuffed Ironman-2.0
    The better question is, why are you worried about something that ain't your problem?
  • Darkraw346Darkraw346 Member Posts: 2,745 ★★★★★
    I like this thread and encourage you to keep it up, don't listen to the ppl here.

    Although I do think if you test a champ it should be of a rarity a bit higher than 3*


    Anyways Kabam messed up BIG TIME imo, in a way that will have to be studied. This month had potential to be one of the strongest and most hyped imo in terms of theme and champs, And they fumbled so bad. Not saying that High Evo is bad, but the community's response to BOTH new champs says it all.

    Regardless I'm saving Titans for them and mightve spent 10K units on crystals of them and haven't got any of them as a 7*... perhaps that happened...
  • Toyota_2015Toyota_2015 Member Posts: 993 ★★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    Damage: Though his damage isn't the absolute highest, he is still somewhat usable in short fights, provided that both are at equal ranks, or is punching down.

    Does this not just mean that his damage sucks?
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 13,647 ★★★★★
    modok trigger parry on autoblock, rip mid evolutionary
  • WednesdayLengthWednesdayLength Member Posts: 3,364 ★★★★★



    things that pisses me off on him right of the gate, The burst number realy doesn't help in anything

    the attack rating on field should be in all attacks and the slow effect should be active if the opponent have debuffs and not just during specials

    the Awakening too has too much dependency on high sig for not soo much extra results

    i hate soo much when the damage increase of characters are tied to solely specials or something else specific in ther kit that is briefly temporary

    That attack bonus on all attacks would be absurdly strong
    But his already extremely weak on both sides and situational

    I wouldn't even care to nerf this as long it was for all attacks,and thats because i was talking about damage and not other problems like his rotation and how the devolve and evolve works
    It's specifically to boost his combo detonation which is his primary source of damage, if they nerf it to make his base attacks stronger too it would reduce his damage output. They just need to increase the burst damage buff on sig and the potency of his evolves imo
  • Shamir51Shamir51 Member Posts: 1,240 ★★★★

    EdisonLaw said:

    Damage: Though his damage isn't the absolute highest, he is still somewhat usable in short fights, provided that both are at equal ranks, or is punching down.

    Does this not just mean that his damage sucks?
    He’s trying to tell you that this particular champ excels in arena and that’s about it.
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