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Why you should vote for Loki

CapriciousCapricious Member Posts: 261 ★★
Over the next few days we will have the opportunity to vote on Winter Soldier (I respect the attempt) Black Widow (who already has two other powerful variants, plus BW would likely be an evade based defender) and then the obvious main headliners, GR and Loki.

Now I’m not going to argue against Ghost Rider being a solid pick. I get that he looks awesome, has great comic book lore, and even though we already have two other Ghost Riders in the game (one of whom is a mystic that would likely clear the exact same content), none of these are relevant counter arguments. Nobody is going to say “Hey let’s have LESS Hercules and Hyperion attackers!” Because these champs are fun.

But… buffing Loki would give Kabam the opportunity to undo a lot of the damage that has been caused by the overpowered and annoying defenders amongst the Cosmic, Mutant, AND mystic classes. Think about a champion that we have used in niche situations to take down horrible bosses in story content just because of his abilitiy to weaponize the nonsense of the AI right back against it. I think it’s especially important considering the fact that Loki is so directly paired with the Serpent and Enchantress (two of the most controversial champions that have EVER been released).

One of the things that make these new defenders so difficult to CONTROL is the fact that power and buff stealing has never been given a modernized overhaul mechanic.

Rogue had the chance of being the first OG character with the ability to rip the annoying buffs and passives off of the faces of her opponents last year but she lost. Doctor strange actually lost before she did. Now we have the opportunity to request the literal “God of Stories” who could easily have access to ability accuracy reduction, stagger, frost and coldsnap immunity, and most importantly the ability to steal UNIQUE buffs… so once again we’re being asked to vote between the sure thing (Ghost rider becoming the next purgatory, a top 12 mystic attacker with strong DoT and a bunch of immunities) which is fair.

Or maybe we can take more of a risk and actually vote for a champion that would be designed to take a complicated defender and for once give the player the ability to control them, bending them to our will, ignoring the unblockable-unstoppable-unphasable-unavoidable nonsense that has plagued the champ deck for the last 2 years. I guess we’ll see what happens next.

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  • CheeseMaster482CheeseMaster482 Member Posts: 376 ★★★
    The vote will be between Loki and Ghost Rider. Black widow doesn't even stand a chance and Winter Soldier doesn't have enough name power to beat Ghost Rider or Loki
  • TheUglyone123TheUglyone123 Member Posts: 738 ★★★★
    Great write up, I’ll give you that, but I love ghost rider way too much to not vote for him. Loki would be a great rework, but I can’t pass up the opportunity to get one of my favorite champs reworked
  • altavistaaltavista Member Posts: 1,823 ★★★★★
    I went with Loki (even though the thought of recreating the Blade trinity is tempting).

    I just think that Buff Stealing is super unique, compared to the likely fateseals that Ghost Rider would get.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 11,326 ★★★★★
    altavista said:

    I went with Loki (even though the thought of recreating the Blade trinity is tempting).

    I just think that Buff Stealing is super unique, compared to the likely fateseals that Ghost Rider would get.

    What if Ghost Rider gets buff immunity instead of Fate seal? He could even be Nova flame immune as well
  • ArmageddønArmageddøn Member Posts: 1,137 ★★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    altavista said:

    I went with Loki (even though the thought of recreating the Blade trinity is tempting).

    I just think that Buff Stealing is super unique, compared to the likely fateseals that Ghost Rider would get.

    What if Ghost Rider gets buff immunity instead of Fate seal? He could even be Nova flame immune as well
    He SHOULD be nova flame immune
  • Toyota_2015Toyota_2015 Member Posts: 994 ★★★★
    Will the winner get new animations and/or a model update? If so I’m voting for Winter Soldier, if not then probably Loki.
  • RoyalRose1510RoyalRose1510 Member Posts: 152 ★★
    I voted ghost rider
  • BigBlueMadness11BigBlueMadness11 Member Posts: 82 ★★
    edited August 1
    It's bold of you to assume Kabam would buff Loki and leave his buff stealing mechanic as it is currently. I honestly think it would be way over powered and they would have to nerf it if Loki was a good champ. I'm using all of my votes for Ghost Rider and I'm going to be super disappointed if the community doesn't select him as well.
  • HuskerCoolHuskerCool Member Posts: 442 ★★★
    The current version of Lokimo doesn’t do anything for me… needs a visual redesign with the classic helmet
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 9,181 ★★★★★
    I dont think kabam can do anything to this loki to make him into what we all would want from a loki. Therefore I dont think he's worth voting for and would rather wait for another version
  • WednesdayLengthWednesdayLength Member Posts: 3,379 ★★★★★

    Will the winner get new animations and/or a model update? If so I’m voting for Winter Soldier, if not then probably Loki.

    Most likely
  • altavistaaltavista Member Posts: 1,823 ★★★★★

    It's bold of you to assume Kabam would buff Loki and leave his buff stealing mechanic as it is currently. I honestly think it would be way over powered and they would have to nerf it if Loki was a good champ. I'm using all of my votes for Ghost Rider and I'm going to be super disappointed if the community doesn't select him as well.

    The same argument against Loki could be used for Ghost Rider as well. People are looking at Ghost Rider (a pretty good champion, just needing a minor improvement) and just thinking of he'll turn into a CGR/Nico level mashup.

    Based on Kabam's historic behavior for Reworks, they usually miss the mark when a champion is already decent to good (and Ghost Rider is a pretty good champion, just a little clunky and underpowered), but deliver when it is a pretty basic champion (like Cyclops, who had nothing going for him in the original kit). For example, in the Guillotine vs Antman argument, Guillotine won and got reworked into a champion that wasn't that much different. Comparatively, even though Antman's buff ended up average, his kit is still vastly more interesting than it originally was.

    Buff Stealing is not any more OP than Buff Immunity. I can see Kabam adding some restrictions (maybe stack limits). His SP2 damage as a percentage of Max health is arguably more powerful, so I could see Kabam changing it so the damage level interacts with the amount of buffs stolen.



  • Unspeakable123Unspeakable123 Member Posts: 23
    Definitely voting for Loki. Maybe he could also steal passives instead of buffs. I do like ghost rider but we've already got CGR and Kushala. They're both mystic but with Loki we'll probably get an improved version of his buff steal and more unique utility
  • LokxLokx Member Posts: 1,812 ★★★★★
    Ima be honest, i won’t be mad if either loki or ghost rider wins. I think both have some potential is animation rework and unique game play.
  • Toproller89Toproller89 Member Posts: 2,264 ★★★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    altavista said:

    I went with Loki (even though the thought of recreating the Blade trinity is tempting).

    I just think that Buff Stealing is super unique, compared to the likely fateseals that Ghost Rider would get.

    What if Ghost Rider gets buff immunity instead of Fate seal? He could even be Nova flame immune as well
    So here’s a noob question: what’s the difference between buff immunity and fate seal? Aren’t they the same thing?
  • aftabaf1718aftabaf1718 Member Posts: 11
    Voted loki
  • AleorAleor Member Posts: 3,202 ★★★★★
    edited 10:54AM
    altavista said:

    It's bold of you to assume Kabam would buff Loki and leave his buff stealing mechanic as it is currently. I honestly think it would be way over powered and they would have to nerf it if Loki was a good champ. I'm using all of my votes for Ghost Rider and I'm going to be super disappointed if the community doesn't select him as well.

    The same argument against Loki could be used for Ghost Rider as well. People are looking at Ghost Rider (a pretty good champion, just needing a minor improvement) and just thinking of he'll turn into a CGR/Nico level mashup.

    Based on Kabam's historic behavior for Reworks, they usually miss the mark when a champion is already decent to good (and Ghost Rider is a pretty good champion, just a little clunky and underpowered), but deliver when it is a pretty basic champion (like Cyclops, who had nothing going for him in the original kit). For example, in the Guillotine vs Antman argument, Guillotine won and got reworked into a champion that wasn't that much different. Comparatively, even though Antman's buff ended up average, his kit is still vastly more interesting than it originally was.

    Buff Stealing is not any more OP than Buff Immunity. I can see Kabam adding some restrictions (maybe stack limits). His SP2 damage as a percentage of Max health is arguably more powerful, so I could see Kabam changing it so the damage level interacts with the amount of buffs stolen.



    His sp2 % damage is only available with synergy and capped with a fixed number, which is lame. It's super easy to make Loki decent — make sp3 debuff longer, pause it on all sps, make sp2 do x% more damage with that debuff active (maybe as part of sig). Maybe add 1-2 phase charge with sig on sp3 debuff (re)apply and move current sig into basic kit. All these changes could be done with him just being released as a new 7* without rework
    He's already a better champ then gr, just try fighting maxed 7* serpent with 4* Loki and gr. Ghost rider needs a lot more changes to be playable with bg focus game shifted to. And I'm not sure if gr would end up a good champ
    Now winter soldier could end up as a good skill attacker I personally need, and he deserves it the most for sure
  • peixemacacopeixemacaco Member Posts: 5,622 ★★★★★
    🔥 burn
    We have a Ghost Rider legion
  • Kingering_KingKingering_King Member Posts: 1,788 ★★★★
    I have him r5a s200, he definitely needs some justice. Vote Loki 🗣️🔥🔥
  • ShrodinbergShrodinberg Member Posts: 96
    I could vote for Loki just that 3* carina challenge 😁
  • SuckmysigmaSuckmysigma Member Posts: 123
    “Why you should vote for Loki” you shouldn’t
  • Annihilator13_Annihilator13_ Member Posts: 372 ★★

  • Joker1976Joker1976 Member Posts: 1,001 ★★★★
    Ghost Rider is gonna win,..I predict it’s gonna be a X-23 kinda spread.
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