For sure, and that’s understandable. Keep in mind - I just announced the Omega Days coming to the Base Pool about 48 hours ago, so while those Champions you just mentioned aren’t in the pool yet, I’d say there’s a solid chance we see them there eventually.
The reality is, this game is in a VERY different place than it was 6 years ago when we were dropping 6 stars. You’re right, double tracks didn’t exist, neither did milestone tracks, etc. We didn’t have large events celebrating the release of pools of Champions. There were a small number of game modes, featured 6 star crystals, and that’s about it.
I’m genuinely not sitting here saying “every Champ needs to be released for money and only money.” Money has nothing to do with what I’m talking about here. Next month, your choice of the Rebirth Champions will be available for free - and they’re even getting buffed and are pretty solid additions.
If you don’t like the addition of “paywalled” Champions, or Champions that require a very high Unit cost, that’s obviously a valid train of thought - however, it’s an entirely different discussion than what’s happening here. Regardless of how they were made available, they were available to be owned at the 7 Star Rarity - even if not widely available yet.
What I’m saying, is that just because there’s a list of Champions that are “fine to release,” (Jubilee, Wasp, etc) that doesn’t mean we should just enable them all in the next build, that wouldn’t be a practical way to roll out the 7 Star Roster.
Of course not.
And my roster tells me I have no real issue with paywalled champs, even if my credit card winces a bit.
The team has made some exciting additions (and continues to do so) over the past several months.
I’m simply suggesting that the team explore ways to bring some of the “good as is” champs into the game. I suggested an expanded Titan above—I’d even go so far as to suggest some of them could be additions to the Loyalty or Incursions crystals (increasing the pools for those crystals) or even be rare drops in some of the many “for sale” crystals that come around (OGSW has been for a good while).
No need to rush them in, but I think there may be creative ways to ease them into the Contest.
Also, keep in mind, we used to roll out more older Champions in the Titan… I personally liked that, however, we shifted that strategy so we could include more newer Champions in the Crystal - since the feedback was overwhelmingly rooted in pulling older Champions being a poor Titan experience.
We still see that same sentiment with the small number of older Champions we have in there now (no offense to the Red Hulk fans)
Quick point I would make here is that rolling in a Claire or an AV would have elicited a much different response re: old champs in the Titan than Rhulk.
I don't entirely understand the question here. We consistently release new Champions to the 7 Star pool in various ways.
There are 8 new 7 Star Champions coming in August -
Are you wanting us to just mass drop every 7 Star into the pool all at once?
Quote a simple question really. What’s stopping you from increasing the release cadence of champions not available as 7*’s?
We’re already at the rank 4 progression of 7* and there’s a lot of champions not released in the highest rarity. At the pace we’re on we’ll be moving towards 8* before the full champion pool has been released as 7*’s.
That's exactly how it was with 6* though. We had a ton of 5* left behind for a long time.
It was obviously a few years ago now, but I don’t recall the release cadence being anywhere near as slow as it is for 7*’s currently.
There's a reason for it that Mike already stated. If they give us all champs in-game as 7* right now, what exactly would there be to look forward to? Also, how would you rank any of them up? There's a reason the game drip feeds you champs and rank up resources. You'd play for a month tops, get bored and delete the game. That's basically a console version of mortal kombat.
This thread isn’t asking for all champs to be released in one go. It’s questioning why certain champs who don’t particularly need a tune up or buff aren’t being released.
Its literally why though. They are spacing them out. Not that hard to understand.
Because the pace we’re on it will take another 2/3 years to see some of these champs…
Which fits right in with when 8* will probably start to be seen. That's part of the entire timeliness of how often they release old champs at the new higher rarity. Its all connected. They have all this timed out in advance. They know the lifecycle.
We obviously disagree on kabams approach.
7* were released in May 2023, so over 2 years ago. Waiting another 3 years, (or 5 years in total) for all 6* champions to be added to the 7* pool would be questionable to me.
At that point there’s literally no point in releasing them, because as others have said earlier, they’d be completely out of date.
Good thing you don't work for kabam though. They apparently know what they're doing and are happy with the approach. And I guess yall seem to forget that when 6* came out we had significantly less champs than we do now. So when they do start rolling out 8*, you might as well be prepared to wait a few years for your old school favorites to release as 8*. I mean, it makes absolute sense when you actually stop to think about why it's being done the way it is.
I don't entirely understand the question here. We consistently release new Champions to the 7 Star pool in various ways.
There are 8 new 7 Star Champions coming in August -
Are you wanting us to just mass drop every 7 Star into the pool all at once?
Quote a simple question really. What’s stopping you from increasing the release cadence of champions not available as 7*’s?
We’re already at the rank 4 progression of 7* and there’s a lot of champions not released in the highest rarity. At the pace we’re on we’ll be moving towards 8* before the full champion pool has been released as 7*’s.
That's exactly how it was with 6* though. We had a ton of 5* left behind for a long time.
It was obviously a few years ago now, but I don’t recall the release cadence being anywhere near as slow as it is for 7*’s currently.
There's a reason for it that Mike already stated. If they give us all champs in-game as 7* right now, what exactly would there be to look forward to? Also, how would you rank any of them up? There's a reason the game drip feeds you champs and rank up resources. You'd play for a month tops, get bored and delete the game. That's basically a console version of mortal kombat.
This thread isn’t asking for all champs to be released in one go. It’s questioning why certain champs who don’t particularly need a tune up or buff aren’t being released.
Its literally why though. They are spacing them out. Not that hard to understand.
Because the pace we’re on it will take another 2/3 years to see some of these champs…
Which fits right in with when 8* will probably start to be seen. That's part of the entire timeliness of how often they release old champs at the new higher rarity. Its all connected. They have all this timed out in advance. They know the lifecycle.
We obviously disagree on kabams approach.
7* were released in May 2023, so over 2 years ago. Waiting another 3 years, (or 5 years in total) for all 6* champions to be added to the 7* pool would be questionable to me.
At that point there’s literally no point in releasing them, because as others have said earlier, they’d be completely out of date.
Good thing you don't work for kabam though. They apparently know what they're doing and are happy with the approach. And I guess yall seem to forget that when 6* came out we had significantly less champs than we do now. So when they do start rolling out 8*, you might as well be prepared to wait a few years for your old school favorites to release as 8*. I mean, it makes absolute sense when you actually stop to think about why it's being done the way it is.
One thing I’d like to clarify (and I think your post supports this point) is that I’m not referring to champs like Herc or Doom or Quake. There are host of favorites that aren’t coming soon or at all and I’m at peace with that.
Although he’s probably a bad example, I’m referring to champs more like Rhulk—a champ I didn’t really use as a 6* (although he’s fine), but who has at times been a staple for me as a 7* pull for his poison and incinerate immunity.
I’m not saying I love Rhulk, but timing of his entry into the Titan allowed me to appreciate his utility in a way I never did when he was only a 6*. I imagine the stat boost for a champ like Wasp or CV or Cable or some of the others I mentioned in my initial post would make even more of an impact.
I play the game to have fun. Champs are the vehicle I use to interact with the game and to have fun. There’s no reason to dump a batch of them into the game suddenly, but I’d enjoy seeing more of them get worked into the game in more varied ways.
I have no problem with the current cadence of old champs being released into the game. However, I do think Zola makes an interesting point. With the fairly rare exception, I think the releases of older champions into the Titan crystal (and subsequently into the basic pool) has been mostly downright bangers. With that in mind, though, comes the question of where more middle-of-the-road champions might get introduced to the game as 7* champs. Like Zola said, the types of champs that maybe aren't the immediate gang busters that people think of when they imagine the champs they want to see introduced or that you guys seem to release into the Titan as of late, but who might still have a place in the Contest as 7*s.
I would argue that last year's Rebirth (I don't remember what name it had back then) pool of champions represented a good selection of those types of champions, but this year we instead got a bunch of buffs. Now, obviously no one is going to complain about a bunch of champs who fell somewhat short of what was deemed to be "7* quality" getting a buff. That is a good thing. I'd even argue that it's a very good thing. A genuine round of applause for that. However, it does create a weird vacuum in a space where those "perfectly fine but not OMG" champs were previously introduced to the game. It feels a bit like we're getting either a slow drip of the cream of the crop or the occasional bunch of buffs of lower-than-mid tier champs.
It's just a strange feeling. I wouldn't dream of suggesting that you guys stop buffing older champions (or stop releasing great champs) in favor of releasing more mid-tier champs, but it would be interesting to know where you guys see those types of champions' place in the release schedule.
At the same time, you can only release so many champions per month or year. In general, I don't think there's a need for more champions to be released as 7*s on a yearly basis. (I do think the 7* basic pool could benefit from some more consistent new blood or more opportunities to target the champs you're missing to keep those openings exciting, but that's a different conversation.)
I don't think you're doing anything wrong, but I nonetheless think that it's a quite interesting question being asked by Zola.
For sure, and that’s understandable. Keep in mind - I just announced the Omega Days coming to the Base Pool about 48 hours ago, so while those Champions you just mentioned aren’t in the pool yet, I’d say there’s a solid chance we see them there eventually.
The reality is, this game is in a VERY different place than it was 6 years ago when we were dropping 6 stars. You’re right, double tracks didn’t exist, neither did milestone tracks, etc. We didn’t have large events celebrating the release of pools of Champions. There were a small number of game modes, featured 6 star crystals, and that’s about it.
I’m genuinely not sitting here saying “every Champ needs to be released for money and only money.” Money has nothing to do with what I’m talking about here. Next month, your choice of the Rebirth Champions will be available for free - and they’re even getting buffed and are pretty solid additions.
If you don’t like the addition of “paywalled” Champions, or Champions that require a very high Unit cost, that’s obviously a valid train of thought - however, it’s an entirely different discussion than what’s happening here. Regardless of how they were made available, they were available to be owned at the 7 Star Rarity - even if not widely available yet.
What I’m saying, is that just because there’s a list of Champions that are “fine to release,” (Jubilee, Wasp, etc) that doesn’t mean we should just enable them all in the next build, that wouldn’t be a practical way to roll out the 7 Star Roster.
I see what youre saying.
Where's civil warrior, since were talking releasing 7*s practically
For sure, and that’s understandable. Keep in mind - I just announced the Omega Days coming to the Base Pool about 48 hours ago, so while those Champions you just mentioned aren’t in the pool yet, I’d say there’s a solid chance we see them there eventually.
The reality is, this game is in a VERY different place than it was 6 years ago when we were dropping 6 stars. You’re right, double tracks didn’t exist, neither did milestone tracks, etc. We didn’t have large events celebrating the release of pools of Champions. There were a small number of game modes, featured 6 star crystals, and that’s about it.
I’m genuinely not sitting here saying “every Champ needs to be released for money and only money.” Money has nothing to do with what I’m talking about here. Next month, your choice of the Rebirth Champions will be available for free - and they’re even getting buffed and are pretty solid additions.
If you don’t like the addition of “paywalled” Champions, or Champions that require a very high Unit cost, that’s obviously a valid train of thought - however, it’s an entirely different discussion than what’s happening here. Regardless of how they were made available, they were available to be owned at the 7 Star Rarity - even if not widely available yet.
What I’m saying, is that just because there’s a list of Champions that are “fine to release,” (Jubilee, Wasp, etc) that doesn’t mean we should just enable them all in the next build, that wouldn’t be a practical way to roll out the 7 Star Roster.
I see what youre saying.
Where's civil warrior
*Me, a Civil Warrior stan from way back, thinking about what a few tweaks — block/parry non-contact attacks? Longer durations of Fury/Armor Ups? — could look like with some Stat Focus*
I don't entirely understand the question here. We consistently release new Champions to the 7 Star pool in various ways.
There are 8 new 7 Star Champions coming in August -
Are you wanting us to just mass drop every 7 Star into the pool all at once?
Quote a simple question really. What’s stopping you from increasing the release cadence of champions not available as 7*’s?
We’re already at the rank 4 progression of 7* and there’s a lot of champions not released in the highest rarity. At the pace we’re on we’ll be moving towards 8* before the full champion pool has been released as 7*’s.
That's exactly how it was with 6* though. We had a ton of 5* left behind for a long time.
It was obviously a few years ago now, but I don’t recall the release cadence being anywhere near as slow as it is for 7*’s currently.
There's a reason for it that Mike already stated. If they give us all champs in-game as 7* right now, what exactly would there be to look forward to? Also, how would you rank any of them up? There's a reason the game drip feeds you champs and rank up resources. You'd play for a month tops, get bored and delete the game. That's basically a console version of mortal kombat.
This thread isn’t asking for all champs to be released in one go. It’s questioning why certain champs who don’t particularly need a tune up or buff aren’t being released.
Its literally why though. They are spacing them out. Not that hard to understand.
Because the pace we’re on it will take another 2/3 years to see some of these champs…
Which fits right in with when 8* will probably start to be seen. That's part of the entire timeliness of how often they release old champs at the new higher rarity. Its all connected. They have all this timed out in advance. They know the lifecycle.
We obviously disagree on kabams approach.
7* were released in May 2023, so over 2 years ago. Waiting another 3 years, (or 5 years in total) for all 6* champions to be added to the 7* pool would be questionable to me.
At that point there’s literally no point in releasing them, because as others have said earlier, they’d be completely out of date.
Good thing you don't work for kabam though. They apparently know what they're doing and are happy with the approach. And I guess yall seem to forget that when 6* came out we had significantly less champs than we do now. So when they do start rolling out 8*, you might as well be prepared to wait a few years for your old school favorites to release as 8*. I mean, it makes absolute sense when you actually stop to think about why it's being done the way it is.
One thing I’d like to clarify (and I think your post supports this point) is that I’m not referring to champs like Herc or Doom or Quake. There are host of favorites that aren’t coming soon or at all and I’m at peace with that.
Although he’s probably a bad example, I’m referring to champs more like Rhulk—a champ I didn’t really use as a 6* (although he’s fine), but who has at times been a staple for me as a 7* pull for his poison and incinerate immunity.
I’m not saying I love Rhulk, but timing of his entry into the Titan allowed me to appreciate his utility in a way I never did when he was only a 6*. I imagine the stat boost for a champ like Wasp or CV or Cable or some of the others I mentioned in my initial post would make even more of an impact.
I play the game to have fun. Champs are the vehicle I use to interact with the game and to have fun. There’s no reason to dump a batch of them into the game suddenly, but I’d enjoy seeing more of them get worked into the game in more varied ways.
Dr. Zola
That's fine. But again it boils down to timelines. They have a certain amount of champs, a certain amount of time between ranks and then rarities. Therefore they base the amount of champ made available in between in batches. Its simple math. How they choose what champs to asked available in that available time frame is however up to them and they can obviously see which ones make them the money in between. Simple economics of supply and demand.
For sure, and that’s understandable. Keep in mind - I just announced the Omega Days coming to the Base Pool about 48 hours ago, so while those Champions you just mentioned aren’t in the pool yet, I’d say there’s a solid chance we see them there eventually.
The reality is, this game is in a VERY different place than it was 6 years ago when we were dropping 6 stars. You’re right, double tracks didn’t exist, neither did milestone tracks, etc. We didn’t have large events celebrating the release of pools of Champions. There were a small number of game modes, featured 6 star crystals, and that’s about it.
I’m genuinely not sitting here saying “every Champ needs to be released for money and only money.” Money has nothing to do with what I’m talking about here. Next month, your choice of the Rebirth Champions will be available for free - and they’re even getting buffed and are pretty solid additions.
If you don’t like the addition of “paywalled” Champions, or Champions that require a very high Unit cost, that’s obviously a valid train of thought - however, it’s an entirely different discussion than what’s happening here. Regardless of how they were made available, they were available to be owned at the 7 Star Rarity - even if not widely available yet.
What I’m saying, is that just because there’s a list of Champions that are “fine to release,” (Jubilee, Wasp, etc) that doesn’t mean we should just enable them all in the next build, that wouldn’t be a practical way to roll out the 7 Star Roster.
I agree but please don't make Jubilee "fine to release" especially if she was a candidate for buff during Women's month. I'm fine not getting her as a 7* until she gets her buff.
I actually voted for her along with 5 other people.
Jubilee doesn't even need much just give her non contact attacks (which make sense cos she attacks with fireworks), more potent prowess/ crit amplifiers, give her a daunted in you want( for yelena). She doesn't need to counter the entire game like what yall did for Cassandra.
Also make her firework mode change after every 4th light attack. It gets confusing.
Screw all that extra unapplicable utility stuff that no one ever uses. Keep it simple. About 3 lines of text and Jubilee isn't irrelevant.
I don't entirely understand the question here. We consistently release new Champions to the 7 Star pool in various ways.
There are 8 new 7 Star Champions coming in August -
Are you wanting us to just mass drop every 7 Star into the pool all at once?
Quote a simple question really. What’s stopping you from increasing the release cadence of champions not available as 7*’s?
We’re already at the rank 4 progression of 7* and there’s a lot of champions not released in the highest rarity. At the pace we’re on we’ll be moving towards 8* before the full champion pool has been released as 7*’s.
That's exactly how it was with 6* though. We had a ton of 5* left behind for a long time.
It was obviously a few years ago now, but I don’t recall the release cadence being anywhere near as slow as it is for 7*’s currently.
There's a reason for it that Mike already stated. If they give us all champs in-game as 7* right now, what exactly would there be to look forward to? Also, how would you rank any of them up? There's a reason the game drip feeds you champs and rank up resources. You'd play for a month tops, get bored and delete the game. That's basically a console version of mortal kombat.
This thread isn’t asking for all champs to be released in one go. It’s questioning why certain champs who don’t particularly need a tune up or buff aren’t being released.
Its literally why though. They are spacing them out. Not that hard to understand.
Because the pace we’re on it will take another 2/3 years to see some of these champs…
Which fits right in with when 8* will probably start to be seen. That's part of the entire timeliness of how often they release old champs at the new higher rarity. Its all connected. They have all this timed out in advance. They know the lifecycle.
We obviously disagree on kabams approach.
7* were released in May 2023, so over 2 years ago. Waiting another 3 years, (or 5 years in total) for all 6* champions to be added to the 7* pool would be questionable to me.
At that point there’s literally no point in releasing them, because as others have said earlier, they’d be completely out of date.
Good thing you don't work for kabam though. They apparently know what they're doing and are happy with the approach. And I guess yall seem to forget that when 6* came out we had significantly less champs than we do now. So when they do start rolling out 8*, you might as well be prepared to wait a few years for your old school favorites to release as 8*. I mean, it makes absolute sense when you actually stop to think about why it's being done the way it is.
It might make absolute sense to you, but just because it’s your opinion doesn’t make it correct.
Waiting half a decade to play some of our champions at the highest rarity is silly. If Kabam keep the same approach with 8*’s it might take a full decade to play some of the champs.
Also, keep in mind, we used to roll out more older Champions in the Titan… I personally liked that, however, we shifted that strategy so we could include more newer Champions in the Crystal - since the feedback was overwhelmingly rooted in pulling older Champions being a poor Titan experience.
We still see that same sentiment with the small number of older Champions we have in there now (no offense to the Red Hulk fans)
I was going to make this point, if someone else didn't get to it first.
If you 'use up' all the 'perfectly fine as 7*' options, then all you've got to add to the 7* titan pool is the (sorry) duds in desperate need of updating. Which is going to lead to predictable dissatisfaction with bad pulls.
However, given that the decision above, coupled with the extended duration of Titan crystals has substantially cut the rate of drip-feeding older champs into the basic, could Kabam consider another (additional) method for feeding into the basic pool?
Even if it's alongside Titan rollovers, so you announce "There's a new Titan crystal, so champs 1-8 have entered the basic pool... alongside them, we've also added classic champions A, B and C to the basic🎆🎆🎆"
I echo the idea that updating aw and incursion pools but kabam has said they aren’t going to update those pools. I think creating a radiance crystal that gets updated every 6-9 months would be a really interesting way to release some of the awesome, but not broken champs. I personally would be super hyped for a pool with:
Mutant: Toad/red mags, maybe aa if he’s not deemed too strong (kitty definitely too op) Tech: doc oc, maybe nimrod if not deemed too strong (ghost too op) Cosmic: Thor/ronan (cgr and herc too op) Mystic: Claire/abs man, maybe doom if he’s not deemed too strong Science: Cassie, maybe scorp if he’s mot deemed too strong Skill: kingpin/ valk
I know having 4-5 pools of 6 champs every year (banquet, Valentine’s Day, reunion, 1-2x radiance) would burn through a lot of the potential champs quick but it was just something I think would be cool.
I don't entirely understand the question here. We consistently release new Champions to the 7 Star pool in various ways.
There are 8 new 7 Star Champions coming in August -
Are you wanting us to just mass drop every 7 Star into the pool all at once?
Quote a simple question really. What’s stopping you from increasing the release cadence of champions not available as 7*’s?
We’re already at the rank 4 progression of 7* and there’s a lot of champions not released in the highest rarity. At the pace we’re on we’ll be moving towards 8* before the full champion pool has been released as 7*’s.
That's exactly how it was with 6* though. We had a ton of 5* left behind for a long time.
It was obviously a few years ago now, but I don’t recall the release cadence being anywhere near as slow as it is for 7*’s currently.
There's a reason for it that Mike already stated. If they give us all champs in-game as 7* right now, what exactly would there be to look forward to? Also, how would you rank any of them up? There's a reason the game drip feeds you champs and rank up resources. You'd play for a month tops, get bored and delete the game. That's basically a console version of mortal kombat.
This thread isn’t asking for all champs to be released in one go. It’s questioning why certain champs who don’t particularly need a tune up or buff aren’t being released.
Its literally why though. They are spacing them out. Not that hard to understand.
Because the pace we’re on it will take another 2/3 years to see some of these champs…
Which fits right in with when 8* will probably start to be seen. That's part of the entire timeliness of how often they release old champs at the new higher rarity. Its all connected. They have all this timed out in advance. They know the lifecycle.
We obviously disagree on kabams approach.
7* were released in May 2023, so over 2 years ago. Waiting another 3 years, (or 5 years in total) for all 6* champions to be added to the 7* pool would be questionable to me.
At that point there’s literally no point in releasing them, because as others have said earlier, they’d be completely out of date.
Good thing you don't work for kabam though. They apparently know what they're doing and are happy with the approach. And I guess yall seem to forget that when 6* came out we had significantly less champs than we do now. So when they do start rolling out 8*, you might as well be prepared to wait a few years for your old school favorites to release as 8*. I mean, it makes absolute sense when you actually stop to think about why it's being done the way it is.
It might make absolute sense to you, but just because it’s your opinion doesn’t make it correct.
Waiting half a decade to play some of our champions at the highest rarity is silly. If Kabam keep the same approach with 8*’s it might take a full decade to play some of the champs.
But hey, you seem to know best.
Its correct because kabam makes the decisions. Whether you like them or not.
For sure, and that’s understandable. Keep in mind - I just announced the Omega Days coming to the Base Pool about 48 hours ago, so while those Champions you just mentioned aren’t in the pool yet, I’d say there’s a solid chance we see them there eventually.
The reality is, this game is in a VERY different place than it was 6 years ago when we were dropping 6 stars. You’re right, double tracks didn’t exist, neither did milestone tracks, etc. We didn’t have large events celebrating the release of pools of Champions. There were a small number of game modes, featured 6 star crystals, and that’s about it.
I’m genuinely not sitting here saying “every Champ needs to be released for money and only money.” Money has nothing to do with what I’m talking about here. Next month, your choice of the Rebirth Champions will be available for free - and they’re even getting buffed and are pretty solid additions.
If you don’t like the addition of “paywalled” Champions, or Champions that require a very high Unit cost, that’s obviously a valid train of thought - however, it’s an entirely different discussion than what’s happening here. Regardless of how they were made available, they were available to be owned at the 7 Star Rarity - even if not widely available yet.
What I’m saying, is that just because there’s a list of Champions that are “fine to release,” (Jubilee, Wasp, etc) that doesn’t mean we should just enable them all in the next build, that wouldn’t be a practical way to roll out the 7 Star Roster.
I see what youre saying.
Where's civil warrior
*Me, a Civil Warrior stan from way back, thinking about what a few tweaks — block/parry non-contact attacks? Longer durations of Fury/Armor Ups? — could look like with some Stat Focus*
They wont buff him again if they didn't when they released him as a 7* and I honestly dont care if they do or not. I dont even want civil warrior.
My beef with civil warrior is that it sets a ridiculously horrible precedent for other champions who had a similar acquisition method. If they refuse to release a garbage - mid tier champ they've been gatekeeping for just about 2 years now what does it mean for red guardian and human torch? Because its starting to sound like theyre going to hold these "special" releases for 2 years before letting the general playerbase have a chance at getting them. Which is simply awful and should not happen
I don't entirely understand the question here. We consistently release new Champions to the 7 Star pool in various ways.
There are 8 new 7 Star Champions coming in August -
Are you wanting us to just mass drop every 7 Star into the pool all at once?
Quote a simple question really. What’s stopping you from increasing the release cadence of champions not available as 7*’s?
We’re already at the rank 4 progression of 7* and there’s a lot of champions not released in the highest rarity. At the pace we’re on we’ll be moving towards 8* before the full champion pool has been released as 7*’s.
That's exactly how it was with 6* though. We had a ton of 5* left behind for a long time.
It was obviously a few years ago now, but I don’t recall the release cadence being anywhere near as slow as it is for 7*’s currently.
There's a reason for it that Mike already stated. If they give us all champs in-game as 7* right now, what exactly would there be to look forward to? Also, how would you rank any of them up? There's a reason the game drip feeds you champs and rank up resources. You'd play for a month tops, get bored and delete the game. That's basically a console version of mortal kombat.
Is that the pinnacle of the game currently ? Waiting for 7* versions of champs that we’ve already pulled and used as 5* and 6*s??
For sure, and that’s understandable. Keep in mind - I just announced the Omega Days coming to the Base Pool about 48 hours ago, so while those Champions you just mentioned aren’t in the pool yet, I’d say there’s a solid chance we see them there eventually.
The reality is, this game is in a VERY different place than it was 6 years ago when we were dropping 6 stars. You’re right, double tracks didn’t exist, neither did milestone tracks, etc. We didn’t have large events celebrating the release of pools of Champions. There were a small number of game modes, featured 6 star crystals, and that’s about it.
I’m genuinely not sitting here saying “every Champ needs to be released for money and only money.” Money has nothing to do with what I’m talking about here. Next month, your choice of the Rebirth Champions will be available for free - and they’re even getting buffed and are pretty solid additions.
If you don’t like the addition of “paywalled” Champions, or Champions that require a very high Unit cost, that’s obviously a valid train of thought - however, it’s an entirely different discussion than what’s happening here. Regardless of how they were made available, they were available to be owned at the 7 Star Rarity - even if not widely available yet.
What I’m saying, is that just because there’s a list of Champions that are “fine to release,” (Jubilee, Wasp, etc) that doesn’t mean we should just enable them all in the next build, that wouldn’t be a practical way to roll out the 7 Star Roster.
Problem here is not only paywall.Problem is game changing champions like Human Torch , Dark phoenix is behind paywall.Put groot or Iron patriot behind paywall.Very few will complain.
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And my roster tells me I have no real issue with paywalled champs, even if my credit card winces a bit.
The team has made some exciting additions (and continues to do so) over the past several months.
I’m simply suggesting that the team explore ways to bring some of the “good as is” champs into the game. I suggested an expanded Titan above—I’d even go so far as to suggest some of them could be additions to the Loyalty or Incursions crystals (increasing the pools for those crystals) or even be rare drops in some of the many “for sale” crystals that come around (OGSW has been for a good while).
No need to rush them in, but I think there may be creative ways to ease them into the Contest.
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Although he’s probably a bad example, I’m referring to champs more like Rhulk—a champ I didn’t really use as a 6* (although he’s fine), but who has at times been a staple for me as a 7* pull for his poison and incinerate immunity.
I’m not saying I love Rhulk, but timing of his entry into the Titan allowed me to appreciate his utility in a way I never did when he was only a 6*. I imagine the stat boost for a champ like Wasp or CV or Cable or some
of the others I mentioned in my initial post would make even more of an impact.
I play the game to have fun. Champs are the vehicle I use to interact with the game and to have fun. There’s no reason to dump a batch of them into the game suddenly, but I’d enjoy seeing more of them get worked into the game in more varied ways.
Dr. Zola
I would argue that last year's Rebirth (I don't remember what name it had back then) pool of champions represented a good selection of those types of champions, but this year we instead got a bunch of buffs. Now, obviously no one is going to complain about a bunch of champs who fell somewhat short of what was deemed to be "7* quality" getting a buff. That is a good thing. I'd even argue that it's a very good thing. A genuine round of applause for that. However, it does create a weird vacuum in a space where those "perfectly fine but not OMG" champs were previously introduced to the game. It feels a bit like we're getting either a slow drip of the cream of the crop or the occasional bunch of buffs of lower-than-mid tier champs.
It's just a strange feeling. I wouldn't dream of suggesting that you guys stop buffing older champions (or stop releasing great champs) in favor of releasing more mid-tier champs, but it would be interesting to know where you guys see those types of champions' place in the release schedule.
At the same time, you can only release so many champions per month or year. In general, I don't think there's a need for more champions to be released as 7*s on a yearly basis. (I do think the 7* basic pool could benefit from some more consistent new blood or more opportunities to target the champs you're missing to keep those openings exciting, but that's a different conversation.)
I don't think you're doing anything wrong, but I nonetheless think that it's a quite interesting question being asked by Zola.
Where's civil warrior, since were talking releasing 7*s practically
I actually voted for her along with 5 other people.
She doesn't need to counter the entire game like what yall did for Cassandra.
Also make her firework mode change after every 4th light attack. It gets confusing.
Screw all that extra unapplicable utility stuff that no one ever uses. Keep it simple. About 3 lines of text and Jubilee isn't irrelevant.
Waiting half a decade to play some of our champions at the highest rarity is silly. If Kabam keep the same approach with 8*’s it might take a full decade to play some of the champs.
But hey, you seem to know best.
If you 'use up' all the 'perfectly fine as 7*' options, then all you've got to add to the 7* titan pool is the (sorry) duds in desperate need of updating. Which is going to lead to predictable dissatisfaction with bad pulls.
However, given that the decision above, coupled with the extended duration of Titan crystals has substantially cut the rate of drip-feeding older champs into the basic, could Kabam consider another (additional) method for feeding into the basic pool?
Even if it's alongside Titan rollovers, so you announce "There's a new Titan crystal, so champs 1-8 have entered the basic pool... alongside them, we've also added classic champions A, B and C to the basic🎆🎆🎆"
Mutant: Toad/red mags, maybe aa if he’s not deemed too strong (kitty definitely too op)
Tech: doc oc, maybe nimrod if not deemed too strong (ghost too op)
Cosmic: Thor/ronan (cgr and herc too op)
Mystic: Claire/abs man, maybe doom if he’s not deemed too strong
Science: Cassie, maybe scorp if he’s mot deemed too strong
Skill: kingpin/ valk
I know having 4-5 pools of 6 champs every year (banquet, Valentine’s Day, reunion, 1-2x radiance) would burn through a lot of the potential champs quick but it was just something I think would be cool.
My beef with civil warrior is that it sets a ridiculously horrible precedent for other champions who had a similar acquisition method. If they refuse to release a garbage - mid tier champ they've been gatekeeping for just about 2 years now what does it mean for red guardian and human torch? Because its starting to sound like theyre going to hold these "special" releases for 2 years before letting the general playerbase have a chance at getting them. Which is simply awful and should not happen