I don’t want those champs as they currently exist, no. But I gotta say, I’m not very hyped up this upcoming batch of reworks either. Niche uses for Viv and maybe AV, expect they both want high sig.
On DLL’s video, he basically says, yeah, we didn’t have time to make major changes so this is the level of update that was possible. What I would like to ask is, why bother updating six champs that probably aren’t different enough to get significant playtime? Why not do substantive reworks for a smaller number of champs?
I agree. The reworks are very disappointing. Champs like sabertooth and doctor voodoo could have been done so much more justice. And I really don't think its a time issue. I mean all they had to do was a few more subtle changes.
This has been an issue for me as well. It’s also why I’m annoyed by reworks of old champs. I’ve accepted that some old champs aren’t usable anymore more. And then Kabam goes and gives them new kits so I have to learn them because I’ll see them soon enough in BG, arena, etc. I understand why they can’t stop putting in new champs (unless they unveil skins - hint, hint), but the reworks should stop.
So you'd be cool pulling a drax, og groot or Kamala without a rework? That's the craziest thing ever read.
I’d be cool with them not being reworked and not added to the 7* pool. There are too many champs already - there’s no good reason to do reworks of champs that are past their hayday to add them to the pool. I’d rather have a slightly better chance of getting a good one out of the existing pool. And as someone mentioned, the rate of 7* acquisition is very fast now - if I got a Drax I’d be annoyed for about ten seconds and move on.
This has been an issue for me as well. It’s also why I’m annoyed by reworks of old champs. I’ve accepted that some old champs aren’t usable anymore more. And then Kabam goes and gives them new kits so I have to learn them because I’ll see them soon enough in BG, arena, etc. I understand why they can’t stop putting in new champs (unless they unveil skins - hint, hint), but the reworks should stop.
So you'd be cool pulling a drax, og groot or Kamala without a rework? That's the craziest thing ever read.
I’d be cool with them not being reworked and not added to the 7* pool. There are too many champs already - there’s no good reason to do reworks of champs that are past their hayday to add them to the pool. I’d rather have a slightly better chance of getting a good one out of the existing pool. And as someone mentioned, the rate of 7* acquisition is very fast now - if I got a Drax I’d be annoyed for about ten seconds and move on.
Yet somewhere out there in the universe, drax is someone's favorite champ in the game. Granted, it might be a whole 5 people but still. That's not fair to those fans. Every champ is someone's favorite. Just look at @Ghostboytjie and his Kamala thread before it got closed. There's only 2 champs in game currently that don't need to be released as 6/7*, quake and Hercules because they really do make the game trivial. At least, unitl they get reworked. ( see the irony?) And once 8* start dropping, the cycle will repeat and today currently top champs like say, bullseye, will fall because every champ is bleed immune and counters evade, then what? You rework bullseye. Its just how the game goes.
I don’t want those champs as they currently exist, no. But I gotta say, I’m not very hyped up this upcoming batch of reworks either. Niche uses for Viv and maybe AV, expect they both want high sig.
On DLL’s video, he basically says, yeah, we didn’t have time to make major changes so this is the level of update that was possible. What I would like to ask is, why bother updating six champs that probably aren’t different enough to get significant playtime? Why not do substantive reworks for a smaller number of champs?
Because a substantive rework is on the level of og iron man and cyclops. It takes 6-8 months to fully rework one single champ like that. That's also not really helping the game in the long run. Fact of the matter is, the game also needs smaller updates to champs like we're getting with Viv and AV. That doesn't exclude them from getting more updates later.
I don’t want those champs as they currently exist, no. But I gotta say, I’m not very hyped up this upcoming batch of reworks either. Niche uses for Viv and maybe AV, expect they both want high sig.
On DLL’s video, he basically says, yeah, we didn’t have time to make major changes so this is the level of update that was possible. What I would like to ask is, why bother updating six champs that probably aren’t different enough to get significant playtime? Why not do substantive reworks for a smaller number of champs?
Because a substantive rework is on the level of og iron man and cyclops. It takes 6-8 months to fully rework one single champ like that. That's also not really helping the game in the long run. Fact of the matter is, the game also needs smaller updates to champs like we're getting with Viv and AV. That doesn't exclude them from getting more updates later.
Nobody was asking for a full kit and animations overhaul. We just wanted a little more than "Doctor voodoo's heavies do something now"
I don’t want those champs as they currently exist, no. But I gotta say, I’m not very hyped up this upcoming batch of reworks either. Niche uses for Viv and maybe AV, expect they both want high sig.
On DLL’s video, he basically says, yeah, we didn’t have time to make major changes so this is the level of update that was possible. What I would like to ask is, why bother updating six champs that probably aren’t different enough to get significant playtime? Why not do substantive reworks for a smaller number of champs?
Because a substantive rework is on the level of og iron man and cyclops. It takes 6-8 months to fully rework one single champ like that. That's also not really helping the game in the long run. Fact of the matter is, the game also needs smaller updates to champs like we're getting with Viv and AV. That doesn't exclude them from getting more updates later.
Nobody was asking for a full kit and animations overhaul. We just wanted a little more than "Doctor voodoo's heavies do something now"
Again, it takes time. What part of that don't yall get? Anything more than what they've done would take even more time. Believe it or not there is a time table they follow. Coding takes time. It probably took them 2 or 3 months just to change and test his new heavy. I swear if even half of the people that play this game had any idea what it was like to build, test, implement and possibly change coding etc on a 10+ years old game, yall would stop bashing kabam at every chance yall get.
Everybody knows that this stuff takes time. And even with a rework, it doesn’t always land in an impactful way. Looking in your direction, Cyclops.
But my earlier point still stands. Why bother with six middling adjustments instead of trying two substantive reworks? I’m interested in Viv because I was already, and she will fill a niche in my roster for a robot heal blocker with phase. AV, I’ll keep an open mind even though I probably won’t give him a gem and sigs for years.
The other four are probably just more fodder for arena. I mean, why choose DV at all? It’s clear they don’t want power control in the game, especially in the mystic class.
Everybody knows that this stuff takes time. And even with a rework, it doesn’t always land in an impactful way. Looking in your direction, Cyclops.
But my earlier point still stands. Why bother with six middling adjustments instead of trying two substantive reworks? I’m interested in Viv because I was already, and she will fill a niche in my roster for a robot heal blocker with phase. AV, I’ll keep an open mind even though I probably won’t give him a gem and sigs for years.
The other four are probably just more fodder for arena. I mean, why choose DV at all? It’s clear they don’t want power control in the game, especially in the mystic class.
You literally gave yourself the answer as to why with "middling" adjustments when you mentioned viv and AV. They fill niche roles. The game has become too large for every champ to be a generalist. Kabam is very obviously moving towards most champs being niche role champs. That's bound to happen when there's 300+ characters interacting with one another before nodes and anything else go into effect.
So, you don’t think there’s basic math involved here? The effort to do six mid adjustments couldn’t be equivalent to doing 1-2 significant adjustments? Do something that will be meaningful to rosters, that’s my point.
I agree about niche champs, btw. There’s no need for anything BUT niche champs at this point. Problem is, only two of the rebirth champs qualify-ish: Viv and AV (maybe). And they would qualify based on their current kits, so the updates don’t even matter in this regard.
Does anyone need another hard-hitting armor breaking cosmic? Or a mutant with mid regen? Totally useless to anyone with a broad roster, unless you’re one of those people who just adores the character of Sabretooth and can’t wait to use him despite the fact he’s not good for anything, in which case, we will never see eye to eye on this kind of question.
Been saying this for a while and its the reason i stepped away from competitive play. 2 champs a month was fine with me for a while but it hasn't been for well over a year now. The complexity of new champs is just added headache. Like how long can the game actually keep up like this. Long ago id just take a break from releasing new and buff old ones instead. Theres a big list of champs people want buffed.
I feel like partially the complexity of characters and nodes is on people that write the descriptions, they sometimes feel more like law textbook than human description
So, you don’t think there’s basic math involved here? The effort to do six mid adjustments couldn’t be equivalent to doing 1-2 significant adjustments? Do something that will be meaningful to rosters, that’s my point.
I agree about niche champs, btw. There’s no need for anything BUT niche champs at this point. Problem is, only two of the rebirth champs qualify-ish: Viv and AV (maybe). And they would qualify based on their current kits, so the updates don’t even matter in this regard.
Does anyone need another hard-hitting armor breaking cosmic? Or a mutant with mid regen? Totally useless to anyone with a broad roster, unless you’re one of those people who just adores the character of Sabretooth and can’t wait to use him despite the fact he’s not good for anything, in which case, we will never see eye to eye on this kind of question.
Imagine at the pov of newbie paragon player who get to open one of these crystals, and get a cull or saber. Now they have a counter for arnik zola and bullseye in bgs/war.
Not everything is targetted towards player with broad roster. If we go by your logic then releasing even someone like nimrod at this point is useless cuz, let's be real, the only endgame players who's gonna rank up a 7* nimrod do it only for nostalgia or fun. He wouldn't be able to keep up with new tech champs
All 6 champs in this crystal serve a purpose, and 4 out of 6 (saber, NT, cull, voodoo) counter atleast one of the top meta defenders .
Doing 2 significant buffs, and even they might end up as fodder, okayish, barely useful (looking at your cyke). And they have to create a rebirth pool right, if they buff two champs significantly, then they have to release 4 other non buffed good champs (like toad stealthy) who could be reserved for future event/titan.
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But my earlier point still stands. Why bother with six middling adjustments instead of trying two substantive reworks? I’m interested in Viv because I was already, and she will fill a niche in my roster for a robot heal blocker with phase. AV, I’ll keep an open mind even though I probably won’t give him a gem and sigs for years.
The other four are probably just more fodder for arena. I mean, why choose DV at all? It’s clear they don’t want power control in the game, especially in the mystic class.
I agree about niche champs, btw. There’s no need for anything BUT niche champs at this point. Problem is, only two of the rebirth champs qualify-ish: Viv and AV (maybe). And they would qualify based on their current kits, so the updates don’t even matter in this regard.
Does anyone need another hard-hitting armor breaking cosmic? Or a mutant with mid regen? Totally useless to anyone with a broad roster, unless you’re one of those people who just adores the character of Sabretooth and can’t wait to use him despite the fact he’s not good for anything, in which case, we will never see eye to eye on this kind of question.
Not everything is targetted towards player with broad roster. If we go by your logic then releasing even someone like nimrod at this point is useless cuz, let's be real, the only endgame players who's gonna rank up a 7* nimrod do it only for nostalgia or fun. He wouldn't be able to keep up with new tech champs
All 6 champs in this crystal serve a purpose, and 4 out of 6 (saber, NT, cull, voodoo) counter atleast one of the top meta defenders .
Doing 2 significant buffs, and even they might end up as fodder, okayish, barely useful (looking at your cyke). And they have to create a rebirth pool right, if they buff two champs significantly, then they have to release 4 other non buffed good champs (like toad stealthy) who could be reserved for future event/titan.