Should Labs have Better Rewards? [edited by Mod for clarity]

Mrwarren96Mrwarren96 Member Posts: 451 ★★
edited October 2018 in Suggestions and Requests
So far ive just done 4 runs of lab 4 got 4 crystals and pulled 2k t4b from each one, which tbh i really dont need cause i can easily purchase 18k from the glory store, please remove this from the lab 4 crystal or increase the amount as it really isnt needed in there,how is it fair that we go through and do 12 fights all over 20k pi with some tricky nodes on, only to pull 4k t4b i dont see the worth in effort and i know it's based on rng and thats probably the most worthless thing out of the whole crystal that i could get.. i dont disagree with putting t4b im there by why such a measly amount why not 10k 15k and 20k cause as i said u can easily buy 18k from the glory store for a couple hundred glory, please buff or remove this amount as it really isnt worth the effort cause of u do 60 runs of lab 4 over the month and only get t4b (one a million i know but some poor soul will) thats only thats 80k t4b which is just under three t4b cats which does simply not seem worth the effort of that challenge that it comes with..
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  • DshuDshu Member Posts: 1,504 ★★★★
    If you want better rewards do harder labs. The rewards are based off the difficulty of the content. There are players doing lab 4 who greatly appreciate the t4b. Why go on the forum to complain when you can just challenge yourself
  • hungryhungrybbqhungryhungrybbq Member Posts: 2,219 ★★★★★
    Totally agree. If the crystal offered a default/minimum prize that was at least comparable to other events of this type with a chance at better rewards that would be great. Instead it offers much lower rewards than similar events in the past in exchange for a small chance at better than average rewards. This is the problem imo.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,640 Guardian
    Spurgeo14 wrote: »
    We could do that 3x a day and that was 10 months ago. Why are the rewards getting worse?

    How do you know they got worse? This is the tier 4 crystal drop table:

    Tier 4 Lab Crystal
    200x 5-Star Shards
    800x 5-Star Shards
    2000x 5-Star Shards
    2000x Tier 4 Basic Fragments
    5000x Tier 4 Basic Fragments
    10000x Tier 4 Basic Fragments
    400x Tier 2 Alpha Fragments
    800x Tier 2 Alpha Fragments
    5000x Tier 2 Alpha Fragments
    1500x Tier 4 Class Catalyst Fragments
    3600x Tier 4 Class Catalyst Fragments
    7200x Tier 4 Class Catalyst Fragments

    Without knowing the odds of each drop, how do you know it got worse?
  • hungryhungrybbqhungryhungrybbq Member Posts: 2,219 ★★★★★
    Will some folks pull rare and exciting prizes? Of course, the odds mandate that they will. My concern is for all the folks who spend resources on this and come out below the curve. Not a great deal for them I'd imagine. Which is why I would suggest that the minimum/default reward be equal to previous events and let there be a slim chance for better rewards on top of that if they choose. Its the idea that you must accept subpar rewards for a *chance* at better ones that I don't currently agree with.
  • hungryhungrybbqhungryhungrybbq Member Posts: 2,219 ★★★★★
    edited October 2018
    Btw, I have no quarrel with the 200 shards being a default prize. I think it's more the small amount of frags being in the pool that we are unhappy with mostly.
  • hungryhungrybbqhungryhungrybbq Member Posts: 2,219 ★★★★★
    edited October 2018
    In fact, in the case of my last run (master), completing it was actually detrimental to my account. I ended up trading gold (a resource I need more of) for 1500 cc frags (a resource I have in abundance). I could have literally just opened a map crystal or cc frag crystal (of which I have tons of) and gotten the same thing.
  • Spurgeon14Spurgeon14 Member Posts: 1,665 ★★★★
    Will some folks pull rare and exciting prizes? Of course, the odds mandate that they will. My concern is for all the folks who spend resources on this and come out below the curve. Not a great deal for them I'd imagine. Which is why I would suggest that the minimum/default reward be equal to previous events and let there be a slim chance for better rewards on top of that if they choose. Its the idea that you must accept subpar rewards for a *chance* at better ones that I don't currently agree with.

    That's my point as well. All I have received are 250 5* shards at Epic and 1200 T2A shards at Expert. That's after 4 runs through.
  • Spurgeon14Spurgeon14 Member Posts: 1,665 ★★★★
    edited October 2018
    DNA3000 wrote: »
    Spurgeo14 wrote: »
    We could do that 3x a day and that was 10 months ago. Why are the rewards getting worse?

    How do you know they got worse? This is the tier 4 crystal drop table:

    Tier 4 Lab Crystal
    200x 5-Star Shards
    800x 5-Star Shards
    2000x 5-Star Shards
    2000x Tier 4 Basic Fragments
    5000x Tier 4 Basic Fragments
    10000x Tier 4 Basic Fragments
    400x Tier 2 Alpha Fragments
    800x Tier 2 Alpha Fragments
    5000x Tier 2 Alpha Fragments
    1500x Tier 4 Class Catalyst Fragments
    3600x Tier 4 Class Catalyst Fragments
    7200x Tier 4 Class Catalyst Fragments

    Without knowing the odds of each drop, how do you know it got worse?


    Well, personally I keep getting the 400 tier 2 frags. I would prefer the 5* shards. I would rather have set rewards that are ok, than this RNG stuff. The old way you got a little bit of everything and it really added up. In my opinion a certainty is better than this system. Obviously I would feel differently if I was opening 2000 5* shards every time. But I'm not. I would rather know what I'm getting like it used to be.
  • DL864DL864 Member Posts: 1,089 ★★★
    @Spurgeo14 that’s the same thing I’ve gotten for every crystal. I’m really starting to wonder if it’s really worth the effort
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,640 Guardian
    Spurgeo14 wrote: »
    DNA3000 wrote: »
    Spurgeo14 wrote: »
    We could do that 3x a day and that was 10 months ago. Why are the rewards getting worse?

    How do you know they got worse? This is the tier 4 crystal drop table:

    Tier 4 Lab Crystal
    200x 5-Star Shards
    800x 5-Star Shards
    2000x 5-Star Shards
    2000x Tier 4 Basic Fragments
    5000x Tier 4 Basic Fragments
    10000x Tier 4 Basic Fragments
    400x Tier 2 Alpha Fragments
    800x Tier 2 Alpha Fragments
    5000x Tier 2 Alpha Fragments
    1500x Tier 4 Class Catalyst Fragments
    3600x Tier 4 Class Catalyst Fragments
    7200x Tier 4 Class Catalyst Fragments

    Without knowing the odds of each drop, how do you know it got worse?


    Well, personally I keep getting the 400 tier 2 frags. I would prefer the 5* shards. I would rather have set rewards that are ok, than this RNG stuff. The old way you got a little bit of everything and it really added up. In my opinion a certainty is better than this system. Obviously I would feel differently if I was opening 2000 5* shards every time. But I'm not. I would rather know what I'm getting like it used to be.

    That's a preference, and I can understand it. But I don't think it is fair to characterize the rewards as getting worse. It is fair to say it is worse for you, but asking why they are getting worse implies there was a deliberate decision to make them worse for everyone.
  • MrBanksMrBanks Member Posts: 1,002 ★★★
    The occult labs are difficult which is nice, but the rewards are questionable. I have done 4 heroic runs so far and I’ve gotten around 1000 TRB shards. Unbelievable. I could really use the 4 star shards, since I have 2 T4Bs sitting in my stash because I am at max, waiting for MORE 4 STARS to RANK UP with the T4Bs I ALREADY HAVE
  • WOLFY_0WOLFY_0 Member Posts: 18
    4xEpic so far, all 250 x 5* shard. It’s 5* shard but a bit pointless if the odds of getting more is that bad
  • hungryhungrybbqhungryhungrybbq Member Posts: 2,219 ★★★★★
    edited October 2018
    DNA3000 wrote: »
    Spurgeo14 wrote: »
    DNA3000 wrote: »
    Spurgeo14 wrote: »
    We could do that 3x a day and that was 10 months ago. Why are the rewards getting worse?

    How do you know they got worse? This is the tier 4 crystal drop table:

    Tier 4 Lab Crystal
    200x 5-Star Shards
    800x 5-Star Shards
    2000x 5-Star Shards
    2000x Tier 4 Basic Fragments
    5000x Tier 4 Basic Fragments
    10000x Tier 4 Basic Fragments
    400x Tier 2 Alpha Fragments
    800x Tier 2 Alpha Fragments
    5000x Tier 2 Alpha Fragments
    1500x Tier 4 Class Catalyst Fragments
    3600x Tier 4 Class Catalyst Fragments
    7200x Tier 4 Class Catalyst Fragments

    Without knowing the odds of each drop, how do you know it got worse?


    Well, personally I keep getting the 400 tier 2 frags. I would prefer the 5* shards. I would rather have set rewards that are ok, than this RNG stuff. The old way you got a little bit of everything and it really added up. In my opinion a certainty is better than this system. Obviously I would feel differently if I was opening 2000 5* shards every time. But I'm not. I would rather know what I'm getting like it used to be.

    That's a preference, and I can understand it. But I don't think it is fair to characterize the rewards as getting worse. It is fair to say it is worse for you, but asking why they are getting worse implies there was a deliberate decision to make them worse for everyone.

    I feel like we are still not addressing the fact that, with this system there will inevitably be some folks who ended up scoring below average with their crystal luck. Which means that those folks will have in fact received "worse" rewards than offered in previous, similar events. Again, I agree that some will score equal to previous events or even greater than. This does nothing for the ones mentioned above. Am I missing something?
  • hungryhungrybbqhungryhungrybbq Member Posts: 2,219 ★★★★★
    I still say the solution is to offer minimum rewards that are comparable to previous events. Then the rare chance to score better rewards becomes a bonus to be excited about and not just a way of equalizing the poor rewards you pulled the first dozen crystals.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,640 Guardian
    DNA3000 wrote: »
    Spurgeo14 wrote: »
    DNA3000 wrote: »
    Spurgeo14 wrote: »
    We could do that 3x a day and that was 10 months ago. Why are the rewards getting worse?

    How do you know they got worse? This is the tier 4 crystal drop table:

    Tier 4 Lab Crystal
    200x 5-Star Shards
    800x 5-Star Shards
    2000x 5-Star Shards
    2000x Tier 4 Basic Fragments
    5000x Tier 4 Basic Fragments
    10000x Tier 4 Basic Fragments
    400x Tier 2 Alpha Fragments
    800x Tier 2 Alpha Fragments
    5000x Tier 2 Alpha Fragments
    1500x Tier 4 Class Catalyst Fragments
    3600x Tier 4 Class Catalyst Fragments
    7200x Tier 4 Class Catalyst Fragments

    Without knowing the odds of each drop, how do you know it got worse?


    Well, personally I keep getting the 400 tier 2 frags. I would prefer the 5* shards. I would rather have set rewards that are ok, than this RNG stuff. The old way you got a little bit of everything and it really added up. In my opinion a certainty is better than this system. Obviously I would feel differently if I was opening 2000 5* shards every time. But I'm not. I would rather know what I'm getting like it used to be.

    That's a preference, and I can understand it. But I don't think it is fair to characterize the rewards as getting worse. It is fair to say it is worse for you, but asking why they are getting worse implies there was a deliberate decision to make them worse for everyone.

    I feel like we are still not addressing the fact that, with this system there will inevitably be some folks who ended up scoring below average with their crystal luck. Which means that those folks will have in fact received "worse" rewards than offered in previous, similar events. Again, I agree that some will score equal to previous events or even greater than. This does nothing for the ones mentioned above. Am I missing something?

    I don't think you're missing anything per se, but you're evaluating the random reward based on the worst case scenario. That's your prerogative, but wondering aloud why the worst case scenario is getting worse fails to acknowledge that that way of evaluating the reward isn't the only way to do so, or the most reasonable way to do so. The obvious answer to that question is: the designer didn't think the reward was worse, because they are using the standard way of evaluating the value of a random reward. Even if you disagree with that method of valuing the crystal, it should still be obvious enough to project onto the designer of the rewards.

    But to respond directly, the reason we are not addressing the fact that some people will get less rewards than in the previous event is because that is, in fact, a fact, and one that has no controversy to debate. It is absolutely a fact that in the current crystal, some people will get less than MODOK, some will get more, and whether the reward has actually gotten lower depends on the drop odds of those situations, as I and probably most people would judge reward value.
  • WOLFY_0WOLFY_0 Member Posts: 18
    6x 250 5* shards after 6 x epic run
    Don’t know what to say but why always trying to giving you the minimum. What is the drop rate?
  • RajutedaRajuteda Member Posts: 565 ★★
    Rewards are seriously getting worse...seems like revenues are dropping and kabam wants us to purchase more stuff
  • WOLFY_0WOLFY_0 Member Posts: 18
    Honestly for the difficulty Epic, personally I think a minimum of 400 5* shards is fair, 250 a bit short for the effort.
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