Developers Thoughts: Improving Alliance Wars Discussion Thread

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Jaffacaked

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Hey All,

I want to drop in and let you all know that you've given us A LOT of feedback, and we've made sure that the team is aware of your ideas and concerns. You've given us a lot to think about when we're choosing Rotating Buffs in the future, and even on how we're going to monitor the performance of the Buffs we're implementing this time.

Like we said in our Blog Post, this is a stepping stone for us to move towards allowing Alliances the agency to choose a Global Buff that they feel best suits their Defense teams. It's both a testing ground and a preview. This isn't something that we're going to be able to implement overnight, or even by the end of the year, but it's something we're actively working on.

Something that we've seen come up a few times is regarding the availability of Rank Up materials. We've been increasing the availability of rank up materials, like Tier 2 Alphas and T4CCs in modes like Alliance Quests, and even in Seasons rewards. We're not going to stop there, and are always moving forward in increasing rewards and access to resources across The Contest.

When we said the intention of introducing Rotating Global Buffs was not to find a way to increase difficulty, we truly meant that . The goal is to ensure there is more variety in Alliance Wars, and that we can continually keep the mode fluid, and ever changing.

We understand that this concept is a little scary, and we are going to monitor this change very closely, and use the data that we collect to continue to improve upon this moving forward, helping to make Alliance Wars a more engaging and lively mode. We also want to assure you that we will provide previews of large scale changes like this moving forward.

If aw wasn't already a money pit your find people more receptive to your ideas.

TheSpicyKnight wrote: »

Championcritic wrote: »

sbb75 wrote: »

@Kabam Miike Can you clarify an how a global node (Bleed Immune) is not intended increase difficulty?
Are other Nodes being lowered? Seems to me that one of the major ways to do damage is being turned off and to balance the difficulty part out is ... did I miss it?

The only thing I see with the difficulty going down is taking off suicides before placing defenders then redoing mastery again....
No need for people to start listing how Cable and kingpen will be easier to fight...

In current alliance wars, Prove Yourself nodes already exist. If your alliance can deal with 1 Prove Yourself node easily by bringing in decent champs for that node like they usually would, what difference would it make that the Prove Yourself node becomes global

Fixed this for you so you can understand a little better.

That's totally different haha, nothing bypasses prove yourself

https://youtu.be/eWaQLZ5EsgY

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DTMelodicMetal

sbb75 wrote: »

The buff to Female attackers... SW and BE 4* only. Medusa, Domino, GP you took awake their Bleed... even for Elektra and Gamora. X23
Angela, CM, and KK she Hulk got a buff...

I honestly believe Female Attackers as a whole will be less effective in AW with their new buff

Proxima Midnight: "Hold my beer"

TheSpicyKnight wrote: »

Championcritic wrote: »

TheSpicyKnight wrote: »

Championcritic wrote: »

sbb75 wrote: »

@Kabam Miike Can you clarify an how a global node (Bleed Immune) is not intended increase difficulty?
Are other Nodes being lowered? Seems to me that one of the major ways to do damage is being turned off and to balance the difficulty part out is ... did I miss it?

The only thing I see with the difficulty going down is taking off suicides before placing defenders then redoing mastery again....
No need for people to start listing how Cable and kingpen will be easier to fight...

In current alliance wars, Prove Yourself nodes already exist. If your alliance can deal with 1 Prove Yourself node easily by bringing in decent champs for that node like they usually would, what difference would it make that the Prove Yourself node becomes global

Fixed this for you so you can understand a little better.

That's totally different haha, nothing bypasses prove yourself

Except, you know, 15 hits on the combo meter. You can work around that with any champ. You can't say the same with Bleed Immunity.

Yeah of course, but the 15 hits thing does not affect the champs you would bring in to war.

You can still work around bleed immune by using other sources of damage like furies, power burn, etc. And blade still gets an attack boost with danger sense + AAR, so it's not like he's completely useless

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Championcritic wrote: »

TheSpicyKnight wrote: »

Championcritic wrote: »

TheSpicyKnight wrote: »

Championcritic wrote: »

sbb75 wrote: »

@Kabam Miike Can you clarify an how a global node (Bleed Immune) is not intended increase difficulty?
Are other Nodes being lowered? Seems to me that one of the major ways to do damage is being turned off and to balance the difficulty part out is ... did I miss it?

The only thing I see with the difficulty going down is taking off suicides before placing defenders then redoing mastery again....
No need for people to start listing how Cable and kingpen will be easier to fight...

In current alliance wars, Prove Yourself nodes already exist. If your alliance can deal with 1 Prove Yourself node easily by bringing in decent champs for that node like they usually would, what difference would it make that the Prove Yourself node becomes global

Fixed this for you so you can understand a little better.

That's totally different haha, nothing bypasses prove yourself

Except, you know, 15 hits on the combo meter. You can work around that with any champ. You can't say the same with Bleed Immunity.

Yeah of course, but the 15 hits thing does not affect the champs you would bring in to war.

You can still work around bleed immune by using other sources of damage like furies, power burn, etc. And blade still gets an attack boost with danger sense + AAR, so it's not like he's completely useless

What about gwenpool and aa then?

Fhfjghhggggjfhfjg wrote: »

Championcritic wrote: »

TheSpicyKnight wrote: »

Championcritic wrote: »

TheSpicyKnight wrote: »

Championcritic wrote: »

sbb75 wrote: »

@Kabam Miike Can you clarify an how a global node (Bleed Immune) is not intended increase difficulty?
Are other Nodes being lowered? Seems to me that one of the major ways to do damage is being turned off and to balance the difficulty part out is ... did I miss it?

The only thing I see with the difficulty going down is taking off suicides before placing defenders then redoing mastery again....
No need for people to start listing how Cable and kingpen will be easier to fight...

In current alliance wars, Prove Yourself nodes already exist. If your alliance can deal with 1 Prove Yourself node easily by bringing in decent champs for that node like they usually would, what difference would it make that the Prove Yourself node becomes global

Fixed this for you so you can understand a little better.

That's totally different haha, nothing bypasses prove yourself

Except, you know, 15 hits on the combo meter. You can work around that with any champ. You can't say the same with Bleed Immunity.

Yeah of course, but the 15 hits thing does not affect the champs you would bring in to war.

You can still work around bleed immune by using other sources of damage like furies, power burn, etc. And blade still gets an attack boost with danger sense + AAR, so it's not like he's completely useless

What about gwenpool and aa then?

yeah, they will be useless, can't do anything about it though. Kabam wants us to be challenged

BeginthEnd

There is a simple way to give everyone the opportunity to use their rosters and diversify. Simply turn team synergy back on for AW.

Make attack teams using 5 champs instead 3. Possibly increase defensive teams to 6. With the right synergy, anything is possible. Even teams you would never attack with would be an option with new synergies on a full team.

Using a team with Agent Venom, Venom, Carnage, Spidey, and “insert favorite champ” would grant the entire team an incredible boost to attack and health. (Add 5* Venom for +30% attack & +30% health) Any other champ still grants team up to 20-25% overall boost. With unique synergies to boot.

This would essintily rank your entire team. (2/3 of the way) Nearly all champions, regardless of what teir, increases their base attack and health by 40-50% when ranked. Crit damage, Armor, block resist, etc. remain the same. Abilities could be “ranked” or buffed in the same way. Another way would be to grant any champion placed on Offense/Defense -or both- an instant rank up when used. Increments of one rank, or even up to max rank & level.

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Championcritic wrote: »

Fhfjghhggggjfhfjg wrote: »

Championcritic wrote: »

TheSpicyKnight wrote: »

Championcritic wrote: »

TheSpicyKnight wrote: »

Championcritic wrote: »

sbb75 wrote: »

@Kabam Miike Can you clarify an how a global node (Bleed Immune) is not intended increase difficulty?
Are other Nodes being lowered? Seems to me that one of the major ways to do damage is being turned off and to balance the difficulty part out is ... did I miss it?

The only thing I see with the difficulty going down is taking off suicides before placing defenders then redoing mastery again....
No need for people to start listing how Cable and kingpen will be easier to fight...

In current alliance wars, Prove Yourself nodes already exist. If your alliance can deal with 1 Prove Yourself node easily by bringing in decent champs for that node like they usually would, what difference would it make that the Prove Yourself node becomes global

Fixed this for you so you can understand a little better.

That's totally different haha, nothing bypasses prove yourself

Except, you know, 15 hits on the combo meter. You can work around that with any champ. You can't say the same with Bleed Immunity.

Yeah of course, but the 15 hits thing does not affect the champs you would bring in to war.

You can still work around bleed immune by using other sources of damage like furies, power burn, etc. And blade still gets an attack boost with danger sense + AAR, so it's not like he's completely useless

What about gwenpool and aa then?

yeah, they will be useless, can't do anything about it though. Kabam wants us to be challenged

Well, to be fair, they specifically said the intention wasn't for the rotating Nodes to be more challenging. When I said the purpose of the Nodes was to be difficult, I was speaking literally. The literal purpose of a Bleed Immunity Node is to add difficulty to any Champ that uses Bleed. However, intrinsically the Nodes will be more challenging until people adjust to what they entail. Once people have what they need to sufficiently navigate the rotation, it won't pose much more of a challenge. I agree with you, though. There are ways around them, and they won't last forever.

StvDamit

Just go ahead and randomize the nodes if you want to make game chalenging and diversify defense. The team that spends a lot of time studying each war gets a bonus for smart placement since that will kill more attackers, and they will use different defenders. It will also replace diversity since you will have to match defenders on the nodes. So easy, so fair, doesn’t affect spending habits, and it gives a lot of chances to a weaker opponent to win by being smart.

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NoOnexRO

"Dear Summoners, we will make important changes to the AW system. We invite you to the Forum to leave your feedback and comments on this future change."

[after +20.000 views and +650 comments]

"Dear Summoners, we didn't answered to any of your questions or concerns but rest assured the team will receive every comment that you wrote. We will continue with the announced changes. Thank you for your feedback, even though it doesn't matter at all. We will close soon this thread because we don't like where this conversation is heading. Also, don't forget to purchase from Unit Store the amazing deals that will push your champions forward in game. Have I mentioned that the changes we announced will be made live? Yes, I did. Okay. That's about it. See you on another Friday with another great announcement from Kabam."

That's not at all what he said.

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

That's not at all what he said.

Of course not haha, it's the general community's perception of kabam

Championcritic wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

That's not at all what he said.

Of course not haha, it's the general community's perception of kabam

I suppose the expectation goes as follows:
"Greetings Summoners,
I just wanted to drop in and let you know I've taken the feedback to the team, and we've decided not to run the Nodes. We understand you haven't even tried it, and we value your feedback. The last thing we would want is for you to try something new. In the future, we hope to run every decision by you before we implement it so you never have to do anything you don't want to do. Thanks for guiding us in designing the game.".