"We're going to continue to keep a close eye on all Mystic Champions" after MD changes

Bumping this, the rug's starting to run out of room

SilentKiss

@Kabam Miike in all actuality this was a huge nerf.
Was it needed to balance the class specific masteries. (Yes, couldn't agree more)
But y'all waited over 2 years to do it and many player ranked Juggy, Dorm, Mephisto, and many other mystics because of MD.
Over 2 years it was fine and boom change. This was major nerf and crippled the mystic class. Now y'all said you were going to watch it. Have you? Now I never have to worry about dying to over usage of dex , it's saved me tons of units.<----
Rank down tickets would be awesome but either way please just hold to your word, and don't fill us with junk.
Thanks

Hulk_77

From watching my own 5r4 Juggernaut's performance he has gone from a guy who got a kill every other war or so to a waste of space who got zero kills throughout the entirety of last season. I'd love a rank down ticket as this change completely made him an ineffective defender.

If there was a need, they would have been given by now. Fact is, those Champs don't depend on an enhancement to function properly.

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

If there was a need, they would have been given by now. Fact is, those Champs don't depend on an enhancement to function properly.

There is a need and they should have been given immediately. Fact is, those champs were ranked because of how they functioned with that enhancement. Worked better by the way.

Dragonfei

Arguably, Juggernaut is better now than he was before, even with MD, because you can't parry him while he's unstoppable. Having him at R4 or higher shouldn't be a bad thing now - he's a pain with that constant ability to stagger.

The reason there probably aren't RDT's for Dormammu is because he's still an effective defender? He's just not oppressively effective as he used to be.

Aria_Lerendeair wrote: »

Arguably, Juggernaut is better now than he was before, even with MD, because you can't parry him while he's unstoppable. Having him at R4 or higher shouldn't be a bad thing now - he's a pain with that constant ability to stagger.

The reason there probably aren't RDT's for Dormammu is because he's still an effective defender? He's just not oppressively effective as he used to be.

Not true, Juggs is easier than ever. Hold block or play keep away while he’s Unstoppable and nerfed dexterity makes him an easy fight. As for Dormammu my 4/55 sig 80+ hasn’t gotten a kill in tier 4 AW for months. Before the MD/dexterity nerf he averaged 2-3+ kills in tier 2 AW.

DrBruceWayne

MattMan wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

If there was a need, they would have been given by now. Fact is, those Champs don't depend on an enhancement to function properly.

There is a need and they should have been given immediately. Fact is, those champs were ranked because of how they functioned with that enhancement. Worked better by the way.

Don't bother please.

We need some confirmation on this from the game team.

MattMan wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

If there was a need, they would have been given by now. Fact is, those Champs don't depend on an enhancement to function properly.

There is a need and they should have been given immediately. Fact is, those champs were ranked because of how they functioned with that enhancement. Worked better by the way.

Worked better. Definition of an enhancement. Their basic functionality doesn't depend on MD. It gave more Kills. That's why people used it with them. Tickets weren't needed because nothing was changed at all with the Champs themselves. Sure, people Ranked them for Defense. For years they used it because it was an overpowered mechanic. Now it's changed to be more manageable. Doesn't mean people are owed Tickets to switch to another overpowered strategy. If that's the case, then the Rewards earned with them should be turned in as well.

Snizzbar

Can we just get an answer from a mod please? Not that incessant other guy

Snizzbar wrote: »

Can we just get an answer from a mod please? Not that incessant other guy

This. I don't want RDTs, Variant Difficulty content takes stacked rosters within every single champion class. I want people to stay true to their word.

I think we already know the answer is they have no plans. Could be wrong. Anything is possible. If you want to wait for a response, up to you.

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

MattMan wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

If there was a need, they would have been given by now. Fact is, those Champs don't depend on an enhancement to function properly.

There is a need and they should have been given immediately. Fact is, those champs were ranked because of how they functioned with that enhancement. Worked better by the way.

Worked better. Definition of an enhancement. Their basic functionality doesn't depend on MD. It gave more Kills. That's why people used it with them. Tickets weren't needed because nothing was changed at all with the Champs themselves. Sure, people Ranked them for Defense. For years they used it because it was an overpowered mechanic. Now it's changed to be more manageable. Doesn't mean people are owed Tickets to switch to another overpowered strategy. If that's the case, then the Rewards earned with them should be turned in as well.

The way these champs worked hand in hand with MD was a big factor in why they were ranked. No amount of denial from you will change that.

By changing MD they changed these champs and their value in the game. That alone warrants a rank down ticket for each and every mystic champion owned and ranked.

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

I think we already know the answer is they have no plans. Could be wrong. Anything is possible. If you want to wait for a response, up to you.

The thread was started....clearly waiting for a response. Why stop by and add this meaningless dribble?

OP I hope you get a response because I too am eager to hear the refusal of RDT’s 😂

MattMan wrote: »

By changing MD they changed these champs and their value in the game. That alone warrants a rank down ticket for each and every mystic champion owned and ranked.

I'd caution speaking in these kinds of absolutes. Kabam already stated their stance, as shown in the OP of this thread:

"We have discussed the possibility of Rank Down Tickets, and have not decided for or against them. We're not going to give them out for this change independently of seeing how it actually affects these Champions. While we didn't see any significant/noticeable drops in performance in the Beta, we're going to keep an eye on this now that it will be out in the wild."

For all we know mystic defenders' effectiveness as AW defenders has not been significantly impacted on a large scale. Individual accounts including my own aren't enough to determine what is or is not warranted. That's what data is for.

Well then.....good luck. Lol.

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Well then.....good luck. Lol.

I reject your wishing of good luck. Eventually reason and logic will win out

MissMissy

I have also been awaiting a response to mystic rank down tickets. I have been patient but there has been sufficient time to evaluate the defensive mystic nerfing.

My Mordo and Juggs received zero kills, even with this last season’s bleed immunity and a MD mastery of 4. I ranked these champs specifically for defense, now they nothing but bench warmers.

TKS87

MD was a broken mechanic, everyone talking about how their defenders are useless now. How many times did you benefit in war for the 2 years MD was drastically overpowered and broken? It's now a mechanic that can still be tough to deal with, but can be played around with skill. And is still beneficiary offensively for many mystic champions whom have a good, reliable Nullify ability.

I understand that it sucks, as end game rank up materials csn still be tough to acquire. But I feel like at this point, still complaining for RDT's isn't going to get you anywhere. The best you can probably do at this point is hope they give out some RDT's for Christmas again this year, like they did last year

TKS87 wrote: »

MD was a broken mechanic, everyone talking about how their defenders are useless now. How many times did you benefit in war for the 2 years MD was drastically overpowered and broken? It's now a mechanic that can still be tough to deal with, but can be played around with skill. And is still beneficiary offensively for many mystic champions whom have a good, reliable Nullify ability.

I understand that it sucks, as end game rank up materials csn still be tough to acquire. But I feel like at this point, still complaining for RDT's isn't going to get you anywhere. The best you can probably do at this point is hope they give out some RDT's for Christmas again this year, like they did last year

It wasn’t broken, it was “working as intended” and rank ups were made with MD functionality in mind.

For me, this isn’t about complaining. This is about a game mechanic that was changed and in-turn reduced the functionality or value of the characters it was used with and players should be given the opportunity to rank down those champs in the interest of fairness. The only reason not to had our RDT’s is the short term effect of reducing sales of rank up materials.