Mephisto's sig ability description is false

madnessdadmadnessdad Member Posts: 15 ★
in Bugs and Known Issues
Mephisto's signature ability states that he becomes immune to all ability modifications. But it turns out that he could still be affected by Domino's shenanigans. Is this intended? Would be nice to hear some explanations...

P.s. It was there even before 22.1.

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  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,566 ★★★★★
    She has Passive AAR, but she also has a Passive Ability Accuracy boost. Could be that.
  • madnessdadmadnessdad Member Posts: 15 ★
    GroundedWisdom said:

    She has Passive AAR, but she also has a Passive Ability Accuracy boost. Could be that.

    What's funny is that Mephisto's ability description says exactly "Immune to PASSIVE ability accuracy modifications" and that stuff still works. I wish someone from Kabam could clarify that tbh :(
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  • madnessdadmadnessdad Member Posts: 15 ★
    edited April 2019
    Haji_Saab said:

    Yea Mephisto been broken since forever ... Quake, Pacify mastery also reduce his AAR

    Though I prefer being constructive mostly, but I have to agree - making logic and necessary changes in timely manner never was the strongest feat of our beloved company, I guess.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,566 ★★★★★
    madnessdad said:

    GroundedWisdom said:

    She has Passive AAR, but she also has a Passive Ability Accuracy boost. Could be that.

    What's funny is that Mephisto's ability description says exactly "Immune to PASSIVE ability accuracy modifications" and that stuff still works. I wish someone from Kabam could clarify that tbh :(
    Modifications would be Reduction. If Dom has 15% Ability Accuracy added to her, that wouldn't be the same, I believe.
  • madnessdadmadnessdad Member Posts: 15 ★
    edited April 2019
    GroundedWisdom said:

    madnessdad said:

    GroundedWisdom said:

    She has Passive AAR, but she also has a Passive Ability Accuracy boost. Could be that.

    What's funny is that Mephisto's ability description says exactly "Immune to PASSIVE ability accuracy modifications" and that stuff still works. I wish someone from Kabam could clarify that tbh :(
    Modifications would be Reduction. If Dom has 15% Ability Accuracy added to her, that wouldn't be the same, I believe.
    Didn't quite get what you mean by that? Her abilities are directly tied to messing around with (decreasing) enemy's AA, so if the char is immune that's it. she shouldn't be able to do anything about that. Dunno how she works as an attacker vs nodes that provide the defender with AAR immunity though. And how adding 15% accuracy to Domino even relates to the issue, elaborate a bit, thank you.
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  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,566 ★★★★★
    madnessdad said:

    GroundedWisdom said:

    madnessdad said:

    GroundedWisdom said:

    She has Passive AAR, but she also has a Passive Ability Accuracy boost. Could be that.

    What's funny is that Mephisto's ability description says exactly "Immune to PASSIVE ability accuracy modifications" and that stuff still works. I wish someone from Kabam could clarify that tbh :(
    Modifications would be Reduction. If Dom has 15% Ability Accuracy added to her, that wouldn't be the same, I believe.
    Didn't quite get what you mean by that? Her abilities are directly tied to messing around with (decreasing) enemy's AA, so if the char is immune that's it. she shouldn't be able to do anything about that. Dunno how she works as an attacker vs nodes that provide the defender with AAR immunity though. And how adding 15% accuracy to Domino even relates to the issue, elaborate a bit, thank you.
    She has two different descriptions in terms of Ability Accuracy. One involves lowering the Opponent's Accuracy, as per what you're describing. The other involves increasing her own Accuracy. It isn't applied to the Opponent.
  • madnessdadmadnessdad Member Posts: 15 ★
    edited April 2019
    It's pretty funny how we're all encouraged to discuss and share our questions and problems with the game on these forums, but oftentimes we don't get not even a simplest feedback on the questions that concern us. It's understandable that there's a lot of info to process and problems to solve. But a simple "we're looking into it" would be a nice start, or a reasonable explanation why most of the stuff is working bad or not working at all...
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  • _VEGETA__VEGETA_ Member Posts: 24 ★
    Abuility accuracy immunites have always been a flawed concept, you have an attacker who cant have their attacking ability accuracy lower, versus a defender cant have their Defensive ability accuracy reduced, who exactly gets the priority there?
  • CoatHang3rCoatHang3r Member Posts: 4,965 ★★★★★
    UmbertoDelRio said:

    What even happened? Did she stop his regen? There's not much to reply to without any kind of substance, mate.

    I don't get what kind of a response you're expecting from kabam, since they also basically know nothing about your issue from what you've written so far.

    Got to second this, what interaction is the OP talking about?
  • madnessdadmadnessdad Member Posts: 15 ★
    UmbertoDelRio said:

    What even happened? Did she stop his regen? There's not much to reply to without any kind of substance, mate.

    I don't get what kind of a response you're expecting from kabam, since they also basically know nothing about your issue from what you've written so far.

    As we all know, Domino's fun skills also influence such stuff like getting dex buff, success rate of parries and even ordinary block can fail vs her ability from time to time. Although Meph is said to be immune, he is still prone to all aforementioned BS, buffs and paries don't trigger, sig ability doesn't ever proc and critical failure is still a thing. Why am i still wondering? Because how the hell could critical failure, that depends purely on an ability accuracy reduction, still proc vs the champ whose sig description mentions immunity to AA modifications?
  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★
    madnessdad said:

    UmbertoDelRio said:

    What even happened? Did she stop his regen? There's not much to reply to without any kind of substance, mate.

    I don't get what kind of a response you're expecting from kabam, since they also basically know nothing about your issue from what you've written so far.

    As we all know, Domino's fun skills also influence such stuff like getting dex buff, success rate of parries and even ordinary block can fail vs her ability from time to time. Although Meph is said to be immune, he is still prone to all aforementioned BS, buffs and paries don't trigger, sig ability doesn't ever proc and critical failure is still a thing. Why am i still wondering? Because how the hell could critical failure, that depends purely on an ability accuracy reduction, still proc vs the champ whose sig description mentions immunity to AA modifications?
    Ordinary block cannot fail from her, that is a falsehood. She has a 2 part first hit, if she hits your block (missed parry) and you release slightly her second hit will go through and open you up for the combo. Because of the 2 hit it is easier to miss the parry

    Was unlucky active? It says it is passive which is odd, I under if unlucky is considered an active instead of passive.
  • madnessdadmadnessdad Member Posts: 15 ★
    edited April 2019
    Lormif said:

    madnessdad said:

    UmbertoDelRio said:

    What even happened? Did she stop his regen? There's not much to reply to without any kind of substance, mate.

    I don't get what kind of a response you're expecting from kabam, since they also basically know nothing about your issue from what you've written so far.

    As we all know, Domino's fun skills also influence such stuff like getting dex buff, success rate of parries and even ordinary block can fail vs her ability from time to time. Although Meph is said to be immune, he is still prone to all aforementioned BS, buffs and paries don't trigger, sig ability doesn't ever proc and critical failure is still a thing. Why am i still wondering? Because how the hell could critical failure, that depends purely on an ability accuracy reduction, still proc vs the champ whose sig description mentions immunity to AA modifications?
    Ordinary block cannot fail from her, that is a falsehood. She has a 2 part first hit, if she hits your block (missed parry) and you release slightly her second hit will go through and open you up for the combo. Because of the 2 hit it is easier to miss the parry

    Was unlucky active? It says it is passive which is odd, I under if unlucky is considered an active instead of passive.
    Block breaking doesn't occur indeed, i guess it was the thing at the release or smth.
    I tested both when it was and when it wasn't - still critical failures all around. I guess Unlucky is like active AA reduction highlighted in "passive" circle, but that still doesn't change the fact that her passive AA reduction still is in place.
  • VoltolosVoltolos Member Posts: 1,120 ★★★
    madnessdad said:

    UmbertoDelRio said:

    What even happened? Did she stop his regen? There's not much to reply to without any kind of substance, mate.

    I don't get what kind of a response you're expecting from kabam, since they also basically know nothing about your issue from what you've written so far.

    As we all know, Domino's fun skills also influence such stuff like getting dex buff, success rate of parries and even ordinary block can fail vs her ability from time to time. Although Meph is said to be immune, he is still prone to all aforementioned BS, buffs and paries don't trigger, sig ability doesn't ever proc and critical failure is still a thing. Why am i still wondering? Because how the hell could critical failure, that depends purely on an ability accuracy reduction, still proc vs the champ whose sig description mentions immunity to AA modifications?
    Crit failure doesnt depend on AAR
  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★
    Voltolos said:

    madnessdad said:

    UmbertoDelRio said:

    What even happened? Did she stop his regen? There's not much to reply to without any kind of substance, mate.

    I don't get what kind of a response you're expecting from kabam, since they also basically know nothing about your issue from what you've written so far.

    As we all know, Domino's fun skills also influence such stuff like getting dex buff, success rate of parries and even ordinary block can fail vs her ability from time to time. Although Meph is said to be immune, he is still prone to all aforementioned BS, buffs and paries don't trigger, sig ability doesn't ever proc and critical failure is still a thing. Why am i still wondering? Because how the hell could critical failure, that depends purely on an ability accuracy reduction, still proc vs the champ whose sig description mentions immunity to AA modifications?
    Crit failure doesnt depend on AAR
    It depends on a buff supposed to activate but not. What would cause that other than AAR?
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  • madnessdadmadnessdad Member Posts: 15 ★
    UmbertoDelRio said:

    madnessdad said:

    UmbertoDelRio said:

    What even happened? Did she stop his regen? There's not much to reply to without any kind of substance, mate.

    I don't get what kind of a response you're expecting from kabam, since they also basically know nothing about your issue from what you've written so far.

    As we all know, Domino's fun skills also influence such stuff like getting dex buff, success rate of parries and even ordinary block can fail vs her ability from time to time. Although Meph is said to be immune, he is still prone to all aforementioned BS, buffs and paries don't trigger, sig ability doesn't ever proc and critical failure is still a thing. Why am i still wondering? Because how the hell could critical failure, that depends purely on an ability accuracy reduction, still proc vs the champ whose sig description mentions immunity to AA modifications?
    You don't even seem to know how domino works, mate...

    It's absolutely possible for mephistos sig to simply not trigger. It's just a chance for triggering after all.

    Parries... Several of dominos attacks are projectiles. Has nothing to do with aar.

    Critical failure also has nothing to do with aar. It activates when an ability that does have a chance of triggering does not trigger.

    Please read the ability sheets before opening unnesscary threads.
    Ofc we all know that his sig doesn't trigger 100% of the time, like 13% or smth, right? . So you wanted to say that critical failure occurs not only when some skill fails to trigger due to Domino's innate AAR, but its even more bs and the ability that just hasn't activated because of the natural RNG also triggers her sig?

    That actually explains everything then: if one hypothetically has got a champ that is absolutely immune to any AA modification, but has at least one percentage based skill - they still get guaranteed dmg into their face.
  • madnessdadmadnessdad Member Posts: 15 ★
    UmbertoDelRio said:

    madnessdad said:

    UmbertoDelRio said:

    What even happened? Did she stop his regen? There's not much to reply to without any kind of substance, mate.

    I don't get what kind of a response you're expecting from kabam, since they also basically know nothing about your issue from what you've written so far.

    As we all know, Domino's fun skills also influence such stuff like getting dex buff, success rate of parries and even ordinary block can fail vs her ability from time to time. Although Meph is said to be immune, he is still prone to all aforementioned BS, buffs and paries don't trigger, sig ability doesn't ever proc and critical failure is still a thing. Why am i still wondering? Because how the hell could critical failure, that depends purely on an ability accuracy reduction, still proc vs the champ whose sig description mentions immunity to AA modifications?
    You don't even seem to know how domino works, mate...

    It's absolutely possible for mephistos sig to simply not trigger. It's just a chance for triggering after all.

    Parries... Several of dominos attacks are projectiles. Has nothing to do with aar.

    Critical failure also has nothing to do with aar. It activates when an ability that does have a chance of triggering does not trigger.

    Please read the ability sheets before opening unnesscary threads.
    So, whether you are absolutely immune to AA modification or not, you are 100% going to get degeneration from CF if you have at least one percentage based ability that fails to trigger not only from Domino's AAR but also just due to the natural RNG, right?
  • madnessdadmadnessdad Member Posts: 15 ★
    UmbertoDelRio said:

    madnessdad said:

    UmbertoDelRio said:

    What even happened? Did she stop his regen? There's not much to reply to without any kind of substance, mate.

    I don't get what kind of a response you're expecting from kabam, since they also basically know nothing about your issue from what you've written so far.

    As we all know, Domino's fun skills also influence such stuff like getting dex buff, success rate of parries and even ordinary block can fail vs her ability from time to time. Although Meph is said to be immune, he is still prone to all aforementioned BS, buffs and paries don't trigger, sig ability doesn't ever proc and critical failure is still a thing. Why am i still wondering? Because how the hell could critical failure, that depends purely on an ability accuracy reduction, still proc vs the champ whose sig description mentions immunity to AA modifications?
    You don't even seem to know how domino works, mate...

    It's absolutely possible for mephistos sig to simply not trigger. It's just a chance for triggering after all.

    Parries... Several of dominos attacks are projectiles. Has nothing to do with aar.

    Critical failure also has nothing to do with aar. It activates when an ability that does have a chance of triggering does not trigger.

    Please read the ability sheets before opening unnesscary threads.
    So, even if a hypothetical character is absolutely immune to any AA modifications, it will still get degen in its face if he has at least one skill which trigger chance is percentage based and it fails to activate due to the natural RNG, because he can't be influenced by Domino's passive AAR, right?
  • Kenny292Kenny292 Member Posts: 536 ★★
    madnessdad said:

    UmbertoDelRio said:

    madnessdad said:

    UmbertoDelRio said:

    What even happened? Did she stop his regen? There's not much to reply to without any kind of substance, mate.

    I don't get what kind of a response you're expecting from kabam, since they also basically know nothing about your issue from what you've written so far.

    As we all know, Domino's fun skills also influence such stuff like getting dex buff, success rate of parries and even ordinary block can fail vs her ability from time to time. Although Meph is said to be immune, he is still prone to all aforementioned BS, buffs and paries don't trigger, sig ability doesn't ever proc and critical failure is still a thing. Why am i still wondering? Because how the hell could critical failure, that depends purely on an ability accuracy reduction, still proc vs the champ whose sig description mentions immunity to AA modifications?
    You don't even seem to know how domino works, mate...

    It's absolutely possible for mephistos sig to simply not trigger. It's just a chance for triggering after all.

    Parries... Several of dominos attacks are projectiles. Has nothing to do with aar.

    Critical failure also has nothing to do with aar. It activates when an ability that does have a chance of triggering does not trigger.

    Please read the ability sheets before opening unnesscary threads.
    So, even if a hypothetical character is absolutely immune to any AA modifications, it will still get degen in its face if he has at least one skill which trigger chance is percentage based and it fails to activate due to the natural RNG, because he can't be influenced by Domino's passive AAR, right?
    Correct. So even though Mephisto is immune to Domino’s passive AAR, his aura of incineration doesn’t have a 100% chance to proc anyways, so every hit from Domino that doesn’t trigger the aura will trigger critical failure. As for dexterity failing when unlucky, that’s separate from the ability accuracy reduction if you look at the description of “Unlucky” below. And as someone else mentioned, some of Domino’s basic attacks are projectiles and can’t parry stun her, like Yondu’s yaka arrows.


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