Diablo and Ebony Maw Changes

IDogeIDoge Posts: 138
edited June 2 in Suggestions and Requests
The mystic class is already in poor condition after the MD nerf (mostly for AWD). Adding these two champs... really did nothing for the class. They both find no use in the game offensively and defensively and are unplayable in quests. I think these two champs are due for a Sentry type buff to bump up their usefulness and maybe some future synergies too. The problem with Diablo is that he can run out of potions very easily in quests without synergies and his potions have a very short duration in fights. Maybe increasing the maximum potions in a quest and increasing his potion duration and potency can help him out. For Ebony Maw, his problems are that his degeneration damage is lacking, his persistant charges are gained too slowly, and he can only have 6 persistant charges. To fix him, each mission he completes could count towards a persistant charge and the maximum amount should be increased to 12. Missions should not be counted after this number because it can be very annoying spending all of your deterioration passives when you dont want to. His degeneration could be increased in potency and duration as well. Maybe increased duration for each deterioration passive on the opponent?
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  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 18,351 ★★★★★
    You want Maw to do more Damage AND avoid Guaranteed Crits? Don't you think that's OP?
  • DiablosUltimateDiablosUltimate Posts: 947 ★★★
    Speaking of Sentry, he is still garbage, even after buff
  • IDogeIDoge Posts: 138
    edited June 2

    You want Maw to do more Damage AND avoid Guaranteed Crits? Don't you think that's OP?

    Ghost has a better miss ability and has more damage so I don't really see a problem honestly. Would make Gulk even more valuable in AW too. At the moment even Jane Foster is better than Ebony Maw overall.
  • Mitchell35Mitchell35 Posts: 1,896 Guardian
    IDoge said:

    Speaking of Sentry, he is still garbage, even after buff

    Beat me to it. Thanks lol
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 18,351 ★★★★★
    IDoge said:

    The point I'm making is they can't have it all. If you have a Champ that literally can't be hit by Guaranteed Crits, giving them too much Damage would be tipping the scales.

    Mister Sinister can heal from guaranteed crits and is 10x better than Maw. He is one of the best defenders out so far and is very useful on attack.
    First off, not all Champs are OP. Lol. Secondly, there's a big difference between Heal and not being able to get hit altogether.
  • DalBotDalBot Posts: 780 ★★★
    In all fairness we've had three mystic champs released since the start of 2018: one last year (Sym Supreme - awesome champ) and two this year (Diablo and Maw, quite possibly the two worst champions since 2018 started)

    Maybe this shod actually be considered when thinking about a once great class that has truly fallen apart.
  • Lvernon15Lvernon15 Posts: 1,171 ★★★

    You want Maw to do more Damage AND avoid Guaranteed Crits? Don't you think that's OP?

    No it’s not op at all, 1 is a defence ability that takes effect in about 4 matchups and one is an offensive perk, overall his defence is bad besides against Corvus and ghost, and his offence is below terrible, I get not every champ on attack can be a god, but at least make him a good pull for somebody to get at the start or give him something that makes him playable, a degen damage buff, make black tongue 70% instead of 30, anything, just make him at least alright
  • ManChildManChild Posts: 583 ★★★
    edited June 2
    He’s really really terrible. They recommend recoil for him too since you can take advantage of the l3 by stealing power. He does almost no dmg. My 6* took 145 hits against a hype in act 6. A champion he is virtually designed to fight. A 6* against an optimal match up. It was really really painful. The only reason it wasn’t more was I went to special 2s.

    Sorry this is ebony maw ^
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 18,351 ★★★★★
    edited June 2
    Lvernon15 said:

    You want Maw to do more Damage AND avoid Guaranteed Crits? Don't you think that's OP?

    No it’s not op at all, 1 is a defence ability that takes effect in about 4 matchups and one is an offensive perk, overall his defence is bad besides against Corvus and ghost, and his offence is below terrible, I get not every champ on attack can be a god, but at least make him a good pull for somebody to get at the start or give him something that makes him playable, a degen damage buff, make black tongue 70% instead of 30, anything, just make him at least alright
    Now, no. When you add that to Damage that is strong, it becomes OP. Everything goes into balancing Champs, and it's not just as simple as a couple tweaks here and there. Some Champs don't have high output. Been that way since the beginning of the game.
  • Ghosty64Ghosty64 Posts: 171

    Lvernon15 said:

    You want Maw to do more Damage AND avoid Guaranteed Crits? Don't you think that's OP?

    No it’s not op at all, 1 is a defence ability that takes effect in about 4 matchups and one is an offensive perk, overall his defence is bad besides against Corvus and ghost, and his offence is below terrible, I get not every champ on attack can be a god, but at least make him a good pull for somebody to get at the start or give him something that makes him playable, a degen damage buff, make black tongue 70% instead of 30, anything, just make him at least alright
    Now, no. When you add that to Damage that is strong, it becomes OP. Everything goes into balancing Champs, and it's not just as simple as a couple tweaks here and there. Some Champs don't have high output. Been that way since the beginning of the game.
    It was like that at the beginning of the game because the game came out half assed
    All people are asking for is a slightly better damage dealer on offense
    He is a lot worse than the characters that have been coming out and it would be nice for him to be more on par
    And next time maybe u should realize that kabam isn’t going to anything anyway so u don’t need to include your quasi intelligent theories on every post
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 18,351 ★★★★★
    Ghosty64 said:

    Lvernon15 said:

    You want Maw to do more Damage AND avoid Guaranteed Crits? Don't you think that's OP?

    No it’s not op at all, 1 is a defence ability that takes effect in about 4 matchups and one is an offensive perk, overall his defence is bad besides against Corvus and ghost, and his offence is below terrible, I get not every champ on attack can be a god, but at least make him a good pull for somebody to get at the start or give him something that makes him playable, a degen damage buff, make black tongue 70% instead of 30, anything, just make him at least alright
    Now, no. When you add that to Damage that is strong, it becomes OP. Everything goes into balancing Champs, and it's not just as simple as a couple tweaks here and there. Some Champs don't have high output. Been that way since the beginning of the game.
    It was like that at the beginning of the game because the game came out half assed
    All people are asking for is a slightly better damage dealer on offense
    He is a lot worse than the characters that have been coming out and it would be nice for him to be more on par
    And next time maybe u should realize that kabam isn’t going to anything anyway so u don’t need to include your quasi intelligent theories on every post
    I'm aware of what prompted the subject. Aside from that, it comes up whenever a new Champ is released that isn't a heavy Damage Champ. It almost always ignores the other attributes they have going on, which is why I point them out.
  • Kobster84Kobster84 Posts: 2,452 ★★★★

    Lvernon15 said:

    You want Maw to do more Damage AND avoid Guaranteed Crits? Don't you think that's OP?

    No it’s not op at all, 1 is a defence ability that takes effect in about 4 matchups and one is an offensive perk, overall his defence is bad besides against Corvus and ghost, and his offence is below terrible, I get not every champ on attack can be a god, but at least make him a good pull for somebody to get at the start or give him something that makes him playable, a degen damage buff, make black tongue 70% instead of 30, anything, just make him at least alright
    Now, no. When you add that to Damage that is strong, it becomes OP. Everything goes into balancing Champs, and it's not just as simple as a couple tweaks here and there. Some Champs don't have high output. Been that way since the beginning of the game.
    You can’t deny he’s possibly the worst offense champ of the year maybe diablo but he can hit harder and regen at least
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 18,351 ★★★★★
    When you introduce a Champ that literally makes it impossible to hit with certain Champs, you're not about to add Damage to the mix. It's called balancing. Strengths and weaknesses. Some Champs aren't hard hitters. Not all are.
  • Ghosty64Ghosty64 Posts: 171
    edited June 2

    When you introduce a Champ that literally makes it impossible to hit with certain Champs, you're not about to add Damage to the mix. It's called balancing. Strengths and weaknesses. Some Champs aren't hard hitters. Not all are.

    1 champion out of 130 plus
    I don’t think so
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 18,351 ★★★★★
    Ghosty64 said:

    When you introduce a Champ that literally makes it impossible to hit with certain Champs, you're not about to add Damage to the mix. It's called balancing. Strengths and weaknesses. Some Champs aren't hard hitters. Not all are.

    1 champion out of 130 plus
    I don’t think so
    Yes. One Champion out of over 150, and he MUST have a Damage standard? Why is that? YouTube says so?
  • TheSpicyKnightTheSpicyKnight Posts: 905 ★★★
    If Kabam decreases the time it takes to inflict Black Tongue or Deterioration on the opponent then I think he'd be a decent attacker against most buff heavy Champions. His degen does great damage when 20 stacks of Deterioration is converted but it takes way too long to pull it off even against someone like LoL OML.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 18,351 ★★★★★
    It's relevant becuase balancing involves what a Champ is capable overall. Not just Damage.
  • ZuroZuro Posts: 982 ★★★

    It's relevant becuase balancing involves what a Champ is capable overall. Not just Damage.

    But ebony is not balance he had the high ground above like 4 champs and his damage is completely atrocious where is the balance
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 18,351 ★★★★★
    Balance doesn't mean they will have equal Offense and Defense. Balance means having strengths and weaknesses. He's not just good against 4 Champs on Defense. He has Nullify, and can Falter any Champ. He just doesn't have a high Damage output without ramping up the Degen.
  • Ghosty64Ghosty64 Posts: 171

    Balance doesn't mean they will have equal Offense and Defense. Balance means having strengths and weaknesses. He's not just good against 4 Champs on Defense. He has Nullify, and can Falter any Champ. He just doesn't have a high Damage output without ramping up the Degen.

    It’s hard to ramp up the degen without activist one and consuming all the deterioration
    If they could make it so the deterioration wasn’t consumed but balance the degen damage better
    He would probably be actually good
  • May_The_WayMay_The_Way Posts: 352 ★★★

    It's relevant becuase balancing involves what a Champ is capable overall. Not just Damage.

    And he isn’t capable of much of anything overall Lol. No utility, no defensive abilities & terrible damage output. So far, only purpose for existing is to be “Corvus Immune”, and that’s not good enough to make a Champion even remotely useful.
  • EtjamaEtjama Posts: 331
    edited June 3

    Balance doesn't mean they will have equal Offense and Defense. Balance means having strengths and weaknesses. He's not just good against 4 Champs on Defense. He has Nullify, and can Falter any Champ. He just doesn't have a high Damage output without ramping up the Degen.

    Dude, you've been going at it over and over. You're wrong. Get over it. We're not saying he needs to be OP, you're deciding that for yourself. We're saying he needs to be better, cause he stinks.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 18,351 ★★★★★
    Etjama said:

    Balance doesn't mean they will have equal Offense and Defense. Balance means having strengths and weaknesses. He's not just good against 4 Champs on Defense. He has Nullify, and can Falter any Champ. He just doesn't have a high Damage output without ramping up the Degen.

    Dude, you've been going at it over and over. You're wrong. Get over it. We're not saying he needs to be OP, you're deciding that for yourself. We're saying he needs to be better, cause he stinks.
    Your opinion is that I'm wrong. I disagree, and I've explained my reasons. You don't have to agree with me, but I'm certainly not going to leave a conversation because of a difference of opinion. That's the whole point of having one. The Champ is barely out and people are already deducing he needs improvement. Not all Champs will be hard-hitters. Not all new Champs will be viable options at the End-Game and higher Tier levels. In fact, I'd say they did pretty well with that in Cull. He has different uses than raw Damage output. Plain and simple. I don't care who registers what opinion or expresses what thought, but I don't have to agree, and I don't need to get on the bandwagon whenever a Video is released that sends the masses here. Sorry.
  • Human_Iceberg2Human_Iceberg2 Posts: 71
    @GroundedWisdom not all champs will be hard hitters I agree, but Ebony Maw is practically useless in every regard. Saying that he is good because he counters Corvus and Ghost on defense is ridiculous. You are the only one who thinks this and it’s pretty clear why.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 18,351 ★★★★★
    edited June 3
    Really? Is that all I said, or did I explain two more ways he's useful? Read the Spotlight. Better yet, get him, raise his Sig to significant enough levels, and test him in more than one Fight in ROL, over more time than a day or two, then formulate a view. That's what happens. People have one very limited definition of what's good and what's not, don't spend enough time getting to know them, and then come to say they should be buffed while the Champ is still wet behind the ears.
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