Summoner Sigil - Discussion Thread

Hey Summoners!

We've just announced the introduction of our brand new service, the Summoner Sigil!

The Summoner Sigil is a subscription based service that delivers a number of Bonuses, all for the introductory price of a Star-Lord’s Loot Bag (9.99 USD) every 30 days. Find all the information, and learn about our 7-Day Free Trial for all Summoners (Level 10+), over here!

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Mlee1829

This isn't bad value. A lot of this stuff seems like updates that should have been added as a regular update. Gold should be scaling with the game. It hasn't. We have champs that have way more health with 5/65 and R2 6s. Yet the health potions haven't been updated in ages.

DNA3000

@TheRealApoc once again, Kabam makes thousands off whales who spend every day. And how is it on us that we don’t want to spend? Some people have better places to put their money than this game. I would rather pick up a Netflix subscription for 10 dollars.

The free to play model is: free players get to play the game for free, paying players get an advantage in the game for paying. If you don't think you're getting good value by playing the game for free, you're supposed to either pay for more value, or find a different free to play game that you feel actually provides better value.

It is entirely your choice whether to spend or not. The game doesn't want to force you to spend, nor can it force you to spend. It only wants two different types of players. Players that are fine playing the game for free and grinding out rewards, and players that are fine with paying for perks. If you aren't one of those two kinds of people, you're not the target audience for the game. That's just reality: the game can't target everyone.

If you have better places to spend your money, you should. For that matter, if you have better places to spend your time, you should. There's nothing wrong with that, but it is still your choice. Most of my friends don't play this game: they have better places to spend their time. I, on the other hand, would prefer to spend my time on this game than whatever they are doing with their free time much of the time. Neither of us is wrong, and none of the things we do are wrong for not being able to capture all of our collective time.

Mlee1829

Wait...if we can have this in the game but you get rid of those horrible pop up offers I'll take it. Plz delete those

Mhykke

Wait...if we can have this in the game but you get rid of those horrible pop up offers I'll take it. Plz delete those

Now there's a solid gold idea.

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Kabam Miike

Question:

So getting 300 units once a month or 300 once a week for 1,200 units a month? Just to clarify

It is a 7 Day Solo Event that contains 75 Units in Rewards. There are 4 of those every month, so it's 300 units monthly.

Archit_Tandon498

Question:

So getting 300 units once a month or 300 once a week for 1,200 units a month? Just to clarify

75 a week, 300 a month

RagamugginGunner

Kabam should have given a few of these to everyone and had the Sigil just be an added benefit. That would make people feel much better about this.

- A 20% Experience Boost! - Sigil only
- A Weekly Golden Circle Quest! - Open to everyone. Sigil gets 20% Gold boost
- Faster Quest Energy Recharge! - Sigil only
- The new exclusive Title, Summoner Supreme! - Sigil only
- A Special Solo Event based on your Campaign Progression Level! - Sigil only
- Access to the Black ISO Market! - Sigil only
- A 25% Increase to their Inventory Capacity!Open to everyone. Sigil gets 50% increase

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ContestOfNoobs

how much for 6* god tier subscription?

at 25+ 6* pulls, i have none to R2.

Remeli

The offer isnt worth it. The problem is it creates a precedent.

Theres already an exclusive gold quest in it. Whats stopping them from adding a quest like gwenpool goes to movie only available to Sigil ppl. Or even an exclusive Sigil arena? Etc.

Slippery slope. Kill the idea before it gets in the game coz it wont get better.

Raganator

The offer isnt worth it. The problem is it creates a precedent.

Theres already an exclusive gold quest in it. Whats stopping them from adding a quest like gwenpool goes to movie only available to Sigil ppl. Or even an exclusive Sigil arena? Etc.

Slippery slope. Kill the idea before it gets in the game coz it wont get better.

Yep. Too many people are looking at this in a vacuum. Standing alone, at least in my opinion, this doesn't really move the needle very much between ft2 and those who spend money. The bigger concern is that his is just the first step.

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master88

wow a subscription lol
this is just a greedy company. this is sad lol make me want to quit the game. lol

DNA3000

Kabam should have given a few of these to everyone and had the Sigil just be an added benefit. That would make people feel much better about this.

- A 20% Experience Boost! - Sigil only
- A Weekly Golden Circle Quest! - Open to everyone. Sigil gets 20% Gold boost
- Faster Quest Energy Recharge! - Sigil only
- The new exclusive Title, Summoner Supreme! - Sigil only
- A Special Solo Event based on your Campaign Progression Level! - Sigil only
- Access to the Black ISO Market! - Sigil only
- A 25% Increase to their Inventory Capacity!Open to everyone. Sigil gets 50% increase

We can quibble over the gold quest but if the Sigil had an early access preview and someone suggested this in it, I would have probably said the devs should strongly consider something like this for the roll out.

I actually would have added something: I would have rolled out an increase to the energy cap for everyone from 70 to 75 (with some kind of scale up for lower levels) and a further increase from 75 to 80 for those with the Sigil. Because in actual fact for normal human beings that sleep about eight hours a day, the faster energy recharge doesn't amount to the theoretical 1440 per month. In fact, if my mental arithmetic is correct, the energy cap might actually cut that in half, not the third you might intuitively expect.

Vdh2008

The offer isnt worth it. The problem is it creates a precedent.

Theres already an exclusive gold quest in it. Whats stopping them from adding a quest like gwenpool goes to movie only available to Sigil ppl. Or even an exclusive Sigil arena? Etc.

Slippery slope. Kill the idea before it gets in the game coz it wont get better.

Meanwhile, I think both of those are an excellent idea. Use that slippery slope, and give me more for my subscription. This deal is already “good” for $10 a month. I’d gladly take more.

IKON

Kabam should have given a few of these to everyone and had the Sigil just be an added benefit. That would make people feel much better about this.

- A 20% Experience Boost! - Sigil only
- A Weekly Golden Circle Quest! - Open to everyone. Sigil gets 20% Gold boost
- Faster Quest Energy Recharge! - Sigil only
- The new exclusive Title, Summoner Supreme! - Sigil only
- A Special Solo Event based on your Campaign Progression Level! - Sigil only
- Access to the Black ISO Market! - Sigil only
- A 25% Increase to their Inventory Capacity!Open to everyone. Sigil gets 50% increase

This is a really good take, would make everyone a lot happier.

kfd2010

I'm really on the fence if this is something that's worth it for me. It is entirely something I can live without, but maybe the perks would be nice.

Because I feel it's take it or leave it, I'm not super angry about it. But I understand the arguments of this starting a precedent of hiding certain content behind a subscription wall. If it's just this and that's it, I'm not going to be too upset about it.

I'll see how the free trial we're all getting goes, but I think I'll continue just giving the $5 a month as long as they continue to re-up the units daily card (which is more than twice the units you get from Sigil I believe for half the price) and skip out on this. Though maybe that goes away to entice people to buy this.

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Karlnak

Two questions:

1- In the rewards you can get per week in the Summoner Sigil you mention "greater solo crystal shards" What's that?
2- Don't understand the black mafia market, why to pay 11k 5* crystal shards for 1 5* crystal when you can buy it for 10k in the crystal section?

It's a featured 5 star crystal. This actually might be the most valuable part of the offer...

Zuko_ILC

Most of these "options" should be free and should've been implemented for quality of life purposes. I would have no problem paying $10 a month if the subscription gave you items and units instead of stuff that should be implemented in the game. This subscription service is not what a subscription service should be. Should be shards/items/units not ability to trade in your resources or a gold event where you have to use energy or even increasing inventory. I get they are trying to make money but they seem to be the best not capitalizing on revenue they should easily be receiving.

Zuko_ILC

Question:

So getting 300 units once a month or 300 once a week for 1,200 units a month? Just to clarify
75 a week, 300 a month

Just use 30 of the 75 units for energy refreshes and you're all good!

G0311

Wow the amount of tears is flooding the grand canyon lol.
This is nothing new a lot of MMOs do this, hell GTA 5 came out 6 years ago and they still making and selling content for it, that's after you pay Sony 50$ a year for online membership, not to mention DLC and ect. Just remember FTP players don't get into the whole "keeping up with the Joneses" mentality cuz then you'll always be unhappy. Also since you don't pay into the game you really don't contribute to the existence of the game, I mean would you work for free, I'm sure the programmers, CEO ,everybody down to the janitor don't work at kabam don't work for free either.

Feeney234

These benefits don't really seem like the kind of benefits that are worth paying ten bucks a month for. A one time purchase to increase storage space would be something that might be interesting though.

Just like those gifting badges huh?!

G0311

So, what can free 2 play players do with this?
Nothing. That’s the point. To encourage spending.

So, what can free 2 play players do with this?
Nothing. That’s the point. To encourage spending.
They have to make money somehow to fund the game. Everything can’t be free.

True, you know what I say I think everybody who is upset about this should just stop playing the game, delete it off your phone, that'll show them unless they're all free to play in that case they'll have no effect whatsoever lol.

crgoodw1n

@G0311 That, unfortunately, seems to be the mentality behind decisions like this. I enjoy the camaraderie of the players here. I have met a lot of cool people through this game. Just stinks that it goes down like this.

Karlnak

I know I'm in the minority of not having a gold problem, so I won't speak on that, however the rest of the items received seem pretty proportionate to what people can already spend on to pass you.

I'm genuinely confused at the anger.
20% experience boost? Whatever
Slightly faster energy? Whatever
Title? Huuuuuge whatever
Better but limited exchange rates? Good, equivalent could already be purchased.
Inventory upgrades? Whatever
Bonus items that could already be purchased? Good but doesn't change anything.

So the anger is all about the easy access to 500k gold a month?
I don't know anywhere else you can exchange 11k 5* shards for a 15k featured 5*...if I'm missing something, point me in the right direction.

I think he means you can buy shards already through various offers. But yeah haven't ever seen that price from featureds.

DNA3000

Faster Quest Energy Recharge!
Don’t miss out on any of the Quests that the Battlerealm has to offer. Your Energy Recharge rate will be cut from 6 Minutes per energy, to 5 Minutes per energy! This means that you’ll have access to 1440 more Energy per month.

Actually, no it doesn't. At least, not for most humans that sleep.

Let's look at the case of a person that sleeps eight hours a day and is at the level cap. Let's also assume they don't get any energy help from their alliance, which would actually make this calculation worse. Currently, they get ten energy per hour. That means in a 24 hours day assuming they use all of their energy right before going to sleep they max out their energy seven hours after going to bed, and then wake up with 70 energy. They've lost 10 energy due to the cap. The theoretical energy per day is 240, but in fact they can only really use 230. In a 30 day month, the theoretical maximum is 7200 energy but you can only really use 6900 energy.

With the Sigil, energy gets refreshed every five minutes, increasing energy per hour from 10 to 12. Under the same conditions, you'll hit the 70 energy cap after five hours and 50 minutes. You'll then lose all the energy you would have earned for the next two hours and ten minutes. At Sigil refresh rates, that's 26 energy. That means while the theoretical energy maximum for a 24 hour day is 288 with the Sigil, you're actually only able to use 262 energy during that day. That means while the theoretical maximum amount of energy in a 30 day month is 8640 (1440 more than before) you can only actually use 7860. That's 960 more energy with the Sigil than without.

I originally thought the penalty might be higher but I made a mental calculation error. It is 33% of the energy benefit so long as the energy cap is lower than the standard energy accumulation rate. So actually, perhaps the energy cap should be increased to 80 for non-Sigil players and 90 for Sigil players. Assuming eight hours of sleep, the cap would actually have to be at least 96 for players to be able to get the stated 1440 extra energy points per month - 106 if they are in an alliance and get alliance energy help.

Vdh2008

The offer isnt worth it. The problem is it creates a precedent.

Theres already an exclusive gold quest in it. Whats stopping them from adding a quest like gwenpool goes to movie only available to Sigil ppl. Or even an exclusive Sigil arena? Etc.

Slippery slope. Kill the idea before it gets in the game coz it wont get better.
Meanwhile, I think both of those are an excellent idea. Use that slippery slope, and give me more for my subscription. This deal is already “good” for $10 a month. I’d gladly take more.
You must have missed the part about “Introducing price” of 10$. That price is gonna raise, bet on it

If they introduce a 5 star basic VIP arena I’ll pay $20 or more a month. Get on it Kabam.