3 to 6 star featured pay for crystal’s supposed odds

DroopyinflightDroopyinflight Member Posts: 21 ★
in General Discussion

As you can clearly see in the odds explanation, you supposedly have a 55% chance to get anything above a 3*, yet after tracking the last 30 crystals I’ve purchased I’ve only gotten 8 above a 3*, so that leaves 22 3*’s at 300 units a pop! That’s not even taking into account all the times I wasn’t keeping track of that left me with a bunch of 3* trash that absolutely shouldn’t be in this crystal! Once you get above uncollected, and especially after you’ve explored act 6 chapter 2, four star champs are pretty much worthless to you, so you can imagine how irritating three stars are! I wouldn’t even complain if for once the odds came even close to being sound! I posted about the odds explanation on the class t4 trade in crystals a while back, and haven’t made the mistake of ever using that supposed tool out again! This crystal is very tempting purely for the chance at getting a 6*, which unless you’re in a high ranking ally, takes quite a while to collect for. Removing that stupid 3* would make kabam a lot more money due to the fact it would attract those who have been screwed one too many times by these! I’m sure there will be those that make know it all comments like “you were just screwed by the odds” or “you have a choice not to buy them”, and I’ll go ahead and thank them for their comments and being the one in the party that thinks everyone cares what they have to say, but in reality no one does! This is an awesome game that most of us love, and that’s why I care to make complaints when I see things that hurt the game! I understand this is a business, but making sure everything is fair, and nothing is underhanded is very important when dealing with your customers. Making money is what pays the bills, but not beyond what is fair and ethically sound.

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  • DroopyinflightDroopyinflight Member Posts: 21 ★

  • UnknownUnknown
    edited September 2019
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  • Pony_boyPony_boy Member Posts: 50 ★
    Forget the part about RNG.

    There is not reason someone who is Cavalier would need a 3 star. And even if they get a max sig crystal those few extra shards are piddly. Changing this crystal from 3-6 to 4-6 would create a better quality of life in game, and probably increase the purchases.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,620 ★★★★★
    If you don't mind the possibility of 45% being nothing, then sure. Otherwise, the 3*s are what balance the ratio. Removing the 3*s isn't going to result in more 5*s and 6*s. Those numbers are low for a reason.
  • Pony_boyPony_boy Member Posts: 50 ★
    Removing the 3 stars results in less trash and waste of units and increasing viable champions such as 4 stars. Again quality of life, spending 300 units to get a crapped on by a 3 star reduces the amount a casual spender will buy. My point is not about increasing 5 or 6 stars, but increasing the “enjoyment” of buying a crystal.

    Do you really feel the need to counter argue against increasing quality of life and enjoyment in the game? People who work hard for Cavalier title would prefer not to be Kabamed when using crystals. Example; a player spends $50 for 5 crystals and gets all 3 stars, how likely do you think they are to do that again? Where as 4 stars at least increase their 5 star shard pool.

    I await your condescending snarking comment that you are so fond of replying with.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,620 ★★★★★
    People take their own chances knowing that the possibility of rolling a 3* is there. The outcomes aren't just arbitrarily thrown in to make people waste money. Those outcomes are added to balance the flow of what's coming out of them. You could easily make the argument that people enjoy rolling higher Rarities more. Enjoyment isn't the only factor to consider. The odds and outcomes are what control the flow of Resources into the game. Nowhere else in the game do you have access to odds at 5*s and 6*s that high. 6*s at all, aside from months of work. 300 Units is the cost, and 3*s is the lowest outcome that balances it all. Taking them away and adding 4*s has an effect. That accelerates the flow of 5* Shards. It's not just filler.
  • X_ScottX_Scott Member Posts: 732 ★★★
    Can you get the new black Widow through a Cavalier crystal?
  • Pony_boyPony_boy Member Posts: 50 ★
    And there is a problem in changing the crystal? Why is it bad to change the crystal to give those who worked harder a better outcome? Proof is in the Black ISO store and the ability to trade in shards for a higher level item. No one using 5 and 6 stars in their roster care about 3 stars.

    And again my opinion people would be more inclined to purchase this crystal if they knew they wouldn’t be screwed over with a 3 star.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,620 ★★★★★
    Yes there's a problem with changing the Crystal. It's the best odds in the game. Can't have it all.
  • Bear3Bear3 Member Posts: 996 ★★★
    So you’re saying 300 units should give you a guaranteed 4*? Most people at that level have a fair number of max sig 4’s... for me over half my 4*’s are max sig... probably close to 2/3, but let’s use half. Using that ratio you’d get a full 5* worth of shards every 6000 units.. which Is obviously a terrible deal. However when that’s the worst that you can do with the possibility of pulling god tier 5/6*’s people start paying their way even more than now. The game is already flooded with too many 6*’s... 5*’s were not as prevalent this quickly after their release and were for along time after that only a notch above 4*’s since 4/55 was the max. Sig level aside r2 6* already exceed 5/65’s. Sorry don’t agree with you unless they’re gonna increase the cost of the crystals. It’s not about not wanting people to have better stuff, it’s about keeping balance. Same way the US can’t just print 25 trillion dollars and say “here rest of the world, our debts paid off, we figured why not treat yo self so we made more of our money to clear our debts to everyone.” Advice? Stop buying so many crystals mr gambling addict sir and earn your shards or quit complaining... it’s mobile game casino with the crystals, you’re supposed to lose. Getting it yet?

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  • SunnyJim_123SunnyJim_123 Member Posts: 78 ★
    edited September 2019
    I agree with OP here, they are charging what is in effect £10 per crystal with a huge chance to pull a 3 star champion!! That is just wrong, they should remove the 3* from that crystal.

    10 crystals have a monitory value of just under £100, if we, the consumer, are willing to part with that kinda cash I really think it’s unfair to receive a prize that is purely worthless (3*)

    I know nothing will change which is why I haven’t bought a hero crystal since February, 10 featured only to pull 8 3* and 2 4* and after that I swore never again, yes it means my roster will suffer but my wallet will flourish
  • Bear3Bear3 Member Posts: 996 ★★★
    They aren’t supposed to be for your benefit. They’re are a gamble... is that not sinking in? That’s why they sell packages with defined guaranteed rewards... this is a gamble. Gambling the house always wins. YOU’RE NOT SUPPOSED TO GET A GOOD VALUE!😂😂. Should I say it in smaller words? I tried to use small ones already.

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  • KattohSKattohS Member Posts: 724 ★★
    Time for another RNG math lesson folks.
  • WorknprogressWorknprogress Member Posts: 7,233 ★★★★★
    Pony_boy said:

    Forget the part about RNG.

    There is not reason someone who is Cavalier would need a 3 star. And even if they get a max sig crystal those few extra shards are piddly. Changing this crystal from 3-6 to 4-6 would create a better quality of life in game, and probably increase the purchases.

    It would also dump a huge amount of 5* shards into the game. Those of us that open a lot of crystals already get a large amount of shard from them. 5* shards eventually translate to 6* shards which would increase our 6* rosters even faster. I'm currently sitting on over 300k 5* shards
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  • ZuroZuro Member Posts: 2,896 ★★★★★
    Every crystal is its own thing therefore meaning that you're not guaranteed to get a 5 star or 6 star
  • WorknprogressWorknprogress Member Posts: 7,233 ★★★★★
    Stance said:

    If everybody stops buying and opening these types of crystals, then kabam might think about changing the offering.

    Better to invest your money on 6* shards for a guaranteed 6* champ.

    You're honestly better off not spending your money on anything in the game for most people. I spend quite a lot on these crystals and I promise you they're horrendous value for the most part.

    If one is going to spend occasionally, I do agree with you that they're far better off spending on something guaranteed like the card offers or rank up material or shard offers offers
  • LoctiteSuperGlueLoctiteSuperGlue Member Posts: 120 ★

  • ZuroZuro Member Posts: 2,896 ★★★★★
    LoctiteSuperGlue said:


    Whale?
  • psp742psp742 Member Posts: 2,648 ★★★★
    I got more 3* than I can count, I’m over due a 5* but best I got was a 4* Falcon.. does the 1 in 20 ratio of getting a 5* sound correct.. not to me it doesn’t. It’s bs that there is still 3* in the paid crystal when in fact, you can’t even bring a 4* champion in some of the content.
  • LoctiteSuperGlueLoctiteSuperGlue Member Posts: 120 ★
    Zuro said:

    LoctiteSuperGlue said:


    Whale?
    Not really, in all it was 9 Cavs. 4 from when Warlock came out, 5 of the Black Widow ones.
  • ZuroZuro Member Posts: 2,896 ★★★★★
    LoctiteSuperGlue said:

    Zuro said:

    LoctiteSuperGlue said:


    Whale?
    Not really, in all it was 9 Cavs. 4 from when Warlock came out, 5 of the Black Widow ones.
    Ah so you just hit the jackpot may RNGesus bless you
  • K00shMaanK00shMaan Member Posts: 1,289 ★★★★
    edited September 2019
    They could alternatively add another crystals that just costs more and guarantees better rewards. New players can buy premium for heroes but once you progress to Uncollected, you can buy grandmaster crystals. They have better heroes but they cost 5x more. The cavalier crystals (or alternative) shouldn't have 3 stars, it should just cost more.
  • XdonreXdonre Member Posts: 155 ★
    edited September 2019
    Yes, the RNG is weighted & Kabam is upfront regarding those weighted odds by posting those less than desirable drop rates … however I definitely agree that it would be more advantageous for summoners if Kabam omitted 3 stars out of the higher-tier crystals although since Kabam is a for-profit company it more beneficial to their bottom-line if the odds are less-than favorable for the summoner...Personally I have no problem expressing my displeasure regarding the excessive RNG driven aspect of MCOC...understandably it's that excessive RNG that generates revenue from as advertised "free-to-play" game but alluding to that marketing promotion which never makes any references to luck, chance, gamble, spin, pop or "RNG" I think it is also understandable for some summoners to be disenchanted by the RNG aspect...after all as promoted MCOC is the ultimate "Super Hero Fighting Game"...just my thoughts.
  • Caz2006Caz2006 Member Posts: 12 ★
    Droopyinflight said:


    As you can clearly see in the odds explanation, you supposedly have a 55% chance to get anything above a 3*, yet after tracking the last 30 crystals I’ve purchased I’ve only gotten 8 above a 3*, so that leaves 22 3*’s at 300 units a pop! That’s not even taking into account all the times I wasn’t keeping track of that left me with a bunch of 3* trash that absolutely shouldn’t be in this crystal! Once you get above uncollected, and especially after you’ve explored act 6 chapter 2, four star champs are pretty much worthless to you, so you can imagine how irritating three stars are! I wouldn’t even complain if for once the odds came even close to being sound! I posted about the odds explanation on the class t4 trade in crystals a while back, and haven’t made the mistake of ever using that supposed tool out again! This crystal is very tempting purely for the chance at getting a 6*, which unless you’re in a high ranking ally, takes quite a while to collect for. Removing that stupid 3* would make kabam a lot more money due to the fact it would attract those who have been screwed one too many times by these! I’m sure there will be those that make know it all comments like “you were just screwed by the odds” or “you have a choice not to buy them”, and I’ll go ahead and thank them for their comments and being the one in the party that thinks everyone cares what they have to say, but in reality no one does! This is an awesome game that most of us love, and that’s why I care to make complaints when I see things that hurt the game! I understand this is a business, but making sure everything is fair, and nothing is underhanded is very important when dealing with your customers. Making money is what pays the bills, but not beyond what is fair and ethically sound.

    First of all it would be 52% chance to get anything but a three star. Next thats just the way cav crystals work. Go watch any cavalier crystal opening video on youtube, sometimes they get lucky and sometimes they get a bunch of three stars. If you dont like regular cav odds, I would wait for an offer with cav nexus crystals


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