Ronin wraith stance

methylcobalaminmethylcobalamin Member Posts: 22 ★
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Looks like ronin wraith stance not working properly as it shown in his abilities. Every hit or attack made by ronin should reduce defensive ability accuracy by 40% when in wraith stance but when i fight with some champs that rely on defensive ability, its never work as plan. For example nightcrawler and spiderman successful evade when im in wraith stance and many more.



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  • Lvernon15Lvernon15 Member Posts: 11,598 ★★★★★
    It’s 40% of the existing chance, so if the spidey has 25% evade 40% reduces it to 15% not to 0
  • methylcobalaminmethylcobalamin Member Posts: 22 ★



    When normal hit spidey only have 19.33% chance to evade(auto).. but when i hit him in wraith stance as shown as above, it should shutdown spidey evade because my attack have defensive ability accuracy reduce by 40%!!! 20.67% more then Spidey evade chance.. Not just spidey, all champs that have defensive ability accuracy work properly when my ronin atk in wraith stance. Please fix this KABAM! THANKS.
  • Kabam ZibiitKabam Zibiit Administrator Posts: 7,033
    Hey there, as someone mentioned, Ronin's attacks in Wraith Stance would reduce the opponent's Defensive Ability Accuracy by 40% of whatever that chance currently is. If Spider-Man has a 19.33% chance to Evade, Wraith Stance would decrease that chance by 40% of 19.33, leaving him at roughly a 11.6% chance of Evading an attack. Hope that helps clear things up!
  • methylcobalaminmethylcobalamin Member Posts: 22 ★
    Ok now i understand how its work, thanks Lvernon15. But still sad because spidey still can evade 2 times in a row under 80% ability reduction.
    Spidey should have only 3.866% chance after the reduction applied on him.





  • SantaGulkSantaGulk Member Posts: 72 ★
    I'm also aware of that. The wraith stance is a joke to evaders and auto blockers even with disorient debuff.
  • methylcobalaminmethylcobalamin Member Posts: 22 ★
    Thanks kabam zibiit. Crystal clear! But the way spidey evade under 80% ability reduction is ridiculous, looks like not 3.8% chance but still 19.33% chance. I compare full fight Spidey with other stance and wraith stance + disorients.. the evade chances is almost same, 3.8% compare to 19.33%. anyway, thanks
  • methylcobalaminmethylcobalamin Member Posts: 22 ★
    Yup SantaGulk. Agreed. I run some test on evade, autoblock, armor up, regen champs.. looks like there is no reduction at all. Normal atk, wraith stance atk, wraith stance with disorient debuff, all is the same atk i got.. sad for me yeah, maybe other people get the different result? Dont know but hey, thanks again KABAM!
  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★
    methylcobalamin said:

    Thanks kabam zibiit. Crystal clear! But the way spidey evade under 80% ability reduction is ridiculous, looks like not 3.8% chance but still 19.33% chance. I compare full fight Spidey with other stance and wraith stance + disorients.. the evade chances is almost same, 3.8% compare to 19.33%. anyway, thanks

    not sure where you are getting this 3.8% from, it is still 11% if his base is 19%.
  • methylcobalaminmethylcobalamin Member Posts: 22 ★
    19.33(normal chance) - 80% reduction ( wraith stance 40% reduction + disorient 40% reduction ) = 3.866% chance
  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★
    methylcobalamin said:

    19.33(normal chance) - 80% reduction ( wraith stance 40% reduction + disorient 40% reduction ) = 3.866% chance

    I am not sure that math is correct. You are assuming that the reductions are additive, not cumulative.

    You are doing 19.33 - (19.33*.8) when it could be (19.33 - (19.33*.4)) - ((19.33 - (19.33*.4)) * .4)

    We also do not know if the second evade is more of an anomaly from the first evade, where the second is just a dash back, not an actual evade. Something that I dont think has ever been addressed.
  • methylcobalaminmethylcobalamin Member Posts: 22 ★
    Haha you not sure where i got the answer right? I give you how to get the answer. I think you too over thinking.. actually its simple math.. 19.33-80%=3.866.. which is the reduction is 80%. Dont make it difficult when its a easy question and answer. I talk about 80% reduction. Like you said " it is still 11% if his base is 19%." Refer to your math 19-40%=11.4%. Which is the reduction is 40%. See you also use the simple math, how can you give the alternative like this (19.33 - (19.33*.4)) - ((19.33 - (19.33*.4)) * .4)??? Whats that? Haha..

    What is the first and sec evade? You think its normal dash back when its write there "evade" twice?

    Dexterity triggered when you manual evading, when it successful it shown dexterity word in yellow colour.

    Evade word shown in green colour if auto evade triggered.

    I dont think you has ever been addressed that word "dexterity" and "evade".

    Oh ya, 1 thing, if you make dash back, no word will shown up..
  • Kabam ZibiitKabam Zibiit Administrator Posts: 7,033
    Hey there, I did also just want to bring up that, in the example we were using of a Spider-Man with 19.33% chance to Evade, that was based off of the Spider-Man whose ability page was in the screenshot you provided. That Spider-Man was a 5-Star had 85 levels in his signature ability, but 5-Stars can get their signature ability up to level 200. It is possible that the 5-Star Spider-Man you were fighting in a war could've had a higher signature ability level, which would result in them having a higher chance to dodge, even after that is reduced.
  • methylcobalaminmethylcobalamin Member Posts: 22 ★
    Thanks @Kabam Zibiit for the attention you give for my inquiry, i got it now :wink:
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