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Darkhawk no longer applying power stings?

PonyonfirePonyonfire Member Posts: 12 ★
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I'm not sure if this was a change that happened on purpose at some point and I missed it, but Darkhawk's basic attacks during null mode no longer apply power stings.

It's been a while since I have played my Darkhawk but I decided to take him into a quest for a bit of fun along with the Mr. Fantastic/Vulture synergy. Darkhawk used to apply power stings on every basic attack via that synergy and the damage from null mode being considered a debuff but that seems to no longer be the case. It has drastically dropped the damage of a character that I loved. Any idea if this was an intentional change or just some kind of accident?

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  • PonyonfirePonyonfire Member Posts: 12 ★
    Phone: Huawei P20 pro
    OS: Android/EMUI 10.0
    On Wifi
    Game version: 32.0
    Game modes: seemingly all
    Champion affected: 5* Darkhawk rank 5, lvl 55, Sig lvl 200
    Active boosts: none

    Description: when using Darkhawk with the Mr. Fantastic/vulture synergy (tech and science champion's debuffs cause power stings) in null mode, basic attacks are no longer causing a power sting. The extra damage from null mode used to count as a debuff and applied the power sting. This has decreased Darkhawk's potential considerably.
  • Lvernon15Lvernon15 Member Posts: 11,601 ★★★★★
    edited July 2021
    Darkhawk applied power stings? He doesn’t debuff on those hits I don’t think, it’s meant to be a burst of shock damage so it shouldn’t really count

    Edit: just read the description and yeah it does seem somewhat like a debuff, it’s a bit ambiguous
  • TyphoonTyphoon Member Posts: 1,944 ★★★★★
    edited July 2021
    Ponyonfire said:

    I'm not sure if this was a change that happened on purpose at some point and I missed it, but Darkhawk's basic attacks during null mode no longer apply power stings.

    It's been a while since I have played my Darkhawk but I decided to take him into a quest for a bit of fun along with the Mr. Fantastic/Vulture synergy. Darkhawk used to apply power stings on every basic attack via that synergy and the damage from null mode being considered a debuff but that seems to no longer be the case. It has drastically dropped the damage of a character that I loved. Any idea if this was an intentional change or just some kind of accident?

    The Mr. Fantastic/Vulture synergy states that when you place a debuff on the opponent, you also place an indefinite power sting on the defender, dealing 60% of their attack as direct damage when the opponent activates a special attack. Doesn't say anything about basic attacks.
  • PonyonfirePonyonfire Member Posts: 12 ★
    It used to apply the stings. Yeah, the wording says it inflicts shock, so I assume the coding treated it as an instant debuff applied to the enemy. Maybe it was unintentional that it did in the first place? I never saw anything in patch notes about it though. Kinda gutted his overall damage honestly.
  • DeadPooopDeadPooop Member Posts: 236 ★
    I dont remember him applying power stings....
  • PonyonfirePonyonfire Member Posts: 12 ★
    I did some further testing and I can definitely confirm the issue is that the extra shock damage from null mode is no longer counted as a debuff.

    This synergy (which I assume is the reason the damage was considered a debuff in the first place) that used to increase the null mode bonus shock damage doesn't appear to be doing so either. That's pretty rough for the champion...
  • xLunatiXxxLunatiXx Member Posts: 1,501 ★★★★★
    So maybe it was similar to nightcrawler instant bleed ?
  • PonyonfirePonyonfire Member Posts: 12 ★
    xLunatiXx said:

    So maybe it was similar to nightcrawler instant bleed ?

    I would assume it worked similarly before, yes. Though Nightcrawler says "passively dealing X bleed damage instantly". Not sure exactly what passively means in that context, but it doesn't say that for Darkhawk.

    Interestingly enough though, it seems passive debuffs don't trigger the power sting from the Mr. F/Vulture synergy either. When using White Magneto's prefight ability that makes stuns passive, it makes stunning the enemy no longer apply a power sting. Intriguing...
  • PonyonfirePonyonfire Member Posts: 12 ★
    Yeah can confirm, passive debuffs do not apply power stings. Human Torch's passive nova flame debuffs apply their own power sting that is part of his own abilities, but not the additional from the synergy it would seem. If smolder charges apply nova flame when you parry stun however, two power stings do get applied. One being the HT's own and the other being from the synergy because you stunned the opponent.
  • xLunatiXxxLunatiXx Member Posts: 1,501 ★★★★★
    Need to be careful about the wording. Passives are not debuffs. I get what you mean but in this game it's better to use detrimental effects, separated in 2 categories: debuffs being the one you can interact with like purify, and passives you cannot interact with. Mr F synergy only applies power sting when you apply debuffs. Nova flames, magneto PFA are passives detrimental effects
  • PonyonfirePonyonfire Member Posts: 12 ★
    xLunatiXx said:

    Need to be careful about the wording. Passives are not debuffs. I get what you mean but in this game it's better to use detrimental effects, separated in 2 categories: debuffs being the one you can interact with like purify, and passives you cannot interact with. Mr F synergy only applies power sting when you apply debuffs. Nova flames, magneto PFA are passives detrimental effects

    Yes, you seem to be right. There does appear to be a fundamental difference between a debuff and a passive. Perhaps that's the issue at the core of this Darkhawk problem? Someone made the shock a passive and it broke the synergies for him?
  • xLunatiXxxLunatiXx Member Posts: 1,501 ★★★★★
    Ponyonfire said:

    xLunatiXx said:

    Need to be careful about the wording. Passives are not debuffs. I get what you mean but in this game it's better to use detrimental effects, separated in 2 categories: debuffs being the one you can interact with like purify, and passives you cannot interact with. Mr F synergy only applies power sting when you apply debuffs. Nova flames, magneto PFA are passives detrimental effects

    Someone made the shock a passive and it broke the synergies for him?
    Yeah probably
  • Mr_PlatypusMr_Platypus Member Posts: 2,779 ★★★★★
    It’s been a while since I’ve used darkhawk, I know in null mode he used to trigger killmongers powergain upon applying debuffs, don’t know if it still does now, if it doesn’t, then it means it’s been changed from a debuff to something similar to NC instant bleed.
  • PonyonfirePonyonfire Member Posts: 12 ★
    Mr_Platypus said:

    It’s been a while since I’ve used darkhawk, I know in null mode he used to trigger killmongers powergain upon applying debuffs, don’t know if it still does now, if it doesn’t, then it means it’s been changed from a debuff to something similar to NC instant bleed.

    Yup, did a test run against a Killmonger. There is no bonus energy gain per hit for the Killmonger while hitting him in null mode. Guess that pretty well confirms the problem, if we weren't already fairly sure what it was already.
  • PonyonfirePonyonfire Member Posts: 12 ★
    Any chance this is getting fixed in the next update? Still appears to be broken.
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