algorithms and transparency

JohnbrinkharrisJohnbrinkharris Member Posts: 3
in Suggestions and Requests
Over the course of my time playing I have noticed some specific and reoccurring drop rates, and I have a question I would like to see answered. While Kabam has been transparent in giving drop rates for crystals, is it possible that there are non-transparent algorithms inside those drop rates? For instance, Crystal Z has a drop rate of
5% 5* hulk
15% 5*
80% 4*
I’m
Wondering within that 15% 5* for example if there is an algorithm say champs A,B, and C have drop rates of 75% champ F has a drop rate of 5% and all other champs drop rate is 20%. Is this possible? It would explain a lot of “coincidences”.

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  • Spidey983Spidey983 Member Posts: 93 ★
    Speaking of drop rates, daily crystals don't show the drop rates. I think there are a few other crystals as well but I can't remember.
  • JohnbrinkharrisJohnbrinkharris Member Posts: 3
    I can understand some crystals, but when one guy gets the same champ on three different accounts from the same crystal? That seems more than coincidence.
  • TwmRTwmR Member Posts: 662 ★★★
    Johnbrinkharris wrote: »
    I can understand some crystals, but when one guy gets the same champ on three different accounts from the same crystal? That seems more than coincidence.

    Are you talking about the monthly login crystal?
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 20,383 Guardian
    Johnbrinkharris wrote: »
    I’m Wondering within that 15% 5* for example if there is an algorithm say champs A,B, and C have drop rates of 75% champ F has a drop rate of 5% and all other champs drop rate is 20%. Is this possible? It would explain a lot of “coincidences”.

    Not really. There are so many crystal openings streamed on Youtube (streamed is important, because those cannot be artificially selected to cherry pick certain kinds of openings) that a specific champion or set of champions cannot be strongly biased in that way. The only possibility that isn't directly contradicted by the facts is that crystals are strongly biased, but they are biased in a different way for different players and the bias disappears if the crystal openings are recorded. But that's way out past tin-foil hat land and into cloud cuckoo land.
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  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,766 ★★★★★
    edited August 2018
    Mninobody wrote: »
    Well kabam could have been forthcoming and transparent when Apple forced their apps to provide % drop rates to their “loot bag” type purchase. Instead of kabam saying yes, let’s be open and honest and transparent with our customer base and show them we have nothing to hide. They did the exact opposite. 5e31hkws1wy8.jpeg
    For an honest and transparent company this would read IWIM 5%, Cap IW 5% and só fourth. But **** puts 100% to get a 5*. Duuuuhhhh. When doing things like this, how can you as a company question why your forum is full of mistrust? Just be clear and honest. At least if people complain you can point to your honesty in the beginning.

    Those drop rates aren't required by Apple. The featured champ has a different rate but all others have a equal chance. Only featured have a individual drop rate.
    Besides, even if they listed each champ out for the chance they have (they all have equal chances) the community still wouldnt be happy. If the same scenario happen where you pull 2 KK's from 2 crystals, you still wouldn't believe they are equal. Drop rates are fine as is.
  • JohnbrinkharrisJohnbrinkharris Member Posts: 3
    Thank you, They could add algorithms inside non featured drop rates for the purpose of trying to get players to buy more crystals. That was kind of the direction I was going.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 20,383 Guardian
    Mninobody wrote: »
    Well kabam could have been forthcoming and transparent when Apple forced their apps to provide % drop rates to their “loot bag” type purchase. Instead of kabam saying yes, let’s be open and honest and transparent with our customer base and show them we have nothing to hide. They did the exact opposite. 5e31hkws1wy8.jpeg
    For an honest and transparent company this would read IWIM 5%, Cap IW 5% and só fourth. But **** puts 100% to get a 5*. Duuuuhhhh. When doing things like this, how can you as a company question why your forum is full of mistrust? Just be clear and honest. At least if people complain you can point to your honesty in the beginning.

    Many companies have taken the same approach as Kabam, to only specific rarity tiers and not explicitly list the drop odds of literally every single possible result, especially when those statistics are identical within the tier and it would be patently ridiculous to list them all in-line.
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  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,766 ★★★★★
    Mninobody wrote: »
    @Demonzfyre and @DNA3000 you obviously didn’t read my post before adding your comment. In fact my post said explicitly kabam isn’t required to add the individual drop rates so why post when you don’t read or don’t understand another post? And you say patently ridiculous to list them all in line as if selling a 5* champ saying you have 100% chance to get a 5* champ isn’t ridículos.
    Again, neither of you know for a fact all drop rates are equal because kabam developer has NEVER released a statement outside of a mod commenting in forums. Just like mod commented AA passive stun is working as intended and then all of a sudden oh sorry that mod didn’t know what he was talking about. So, neither of you know what you are talking about because mods do not know what they are talking about. So to my point kabam could have stopped all this nonsense with clarity.

    Miike has said repeatedly that they are equal. Miike talks with the game teams constantly. They are showing exactly what they are required to show.
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  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,766 ★★★★★
    Mninobody wrote: »
    @Demonzfyre feel free to believe what you see on the internet instead of factual data they could be held accountable for. However, because Mike says something, and mike has been shown to be wrong on many occasions on this forum through the years, does NOT make that a fact.
    I am not saying it is not a fact, but you don’t know it is a fact. I am saying prove it!
    It’s always funny to see these official forum regurgitaters. Hey a mod said something many times so it’s truth lol. This is why the game is going in this direction. Kabam can say what they want and it is so because they say. No accountability, responsibility or factual clarity.

    Truthfully, people like you won't believe it even it said it each had a (x)% because if you opened 2 crystals and got a "trash" champ, you'd say the drop rates aren't real blah, blah, blah. The real fact is, the current drop rate meets the requirements. It's a 5* Crystal and it has a 100% chance to drop a 5* champion.
  • Batman05Batman05 Member Posts: 351 ★★
    All champions in the regular crystals have an equal chance to drop. It’s been confirmed many times
  • Blax4everBlax4ever Member Posts: 683 ★★★
    It’s not like the Vegas casinos haven’t been found to be rigging slot machines despite being required to display odds
  • Kabam PorthosKabam Porthos Moderator Posts: 4,676
    Hey guys, we've clarified this many times before as well as in THIS thread. Every Champion has the exact same chance of dropping from a Crystal, unless otherwise stated.

    With that being said, I'll go ahead and close this discussion.
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