Pros and Cons of the recent ban wave
Mostu100
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So Kabam delivered what was promised in AW and a recent ban wave proved to be of a great impact with many docked alliances and banned members. I just want to share my opinion hoping to make things positive going forward highlighting the pros and the cons of the process
The pros:
1- The talk of the high spending alliances can’t get touched should be no more after this wave
2- The timing is excellent as the band will deprive the banned users from the season rewards. I really applaud the timing
The cons:
1- The alliances hit with the wave are getting matched to lower alliances which is not good for the lower alliances and affects their season rank which can be better if they avoid the docked alliances
2- From my point of view the members bans could have been enough as alliances punishment will be to find new members instead of the banned ones who are the main cause of the problem
3- It really messes the aliances plans in AQ especially going into map 6 so another part of the game gets affected. I don’t know if that’s in the plan
So what do you think can be done better going forward to improve the process from your point of view ?
The pros:
1- The talk of the high spending alliances can’t get touched should be no more after this wave
2- The timing is excellent as the band will deprive the banned users from the season rewards. I really applaud the timing
The cons:
1- The alliances hit with the wave are getting matched to lower alliances which is not good for the lower alliances and affects their season rank which can be better if they avoid the docked alliances
2- From my point of view the members bans could have been enough as alliances punishment will be to find new members instead of the banned ones who are the main cause of the problem
3- It really messes the aliances plans in AQ especially going into map 6 so another part of the game gets affected. I don’t know if that’s in the plan
So what do you think can be done better going forward to improve the process from your point of view ?
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The bad, allys top t2 now have to face much tougher defenses.
The very good - alliances know no one is safe from being penalized for piloting
That’s what I wouldn’t like to see going forward. Recruiting new guys who can play at top level is hard enough so it’s good as alliance punishment. Banning the piloted accounts is great but not at the expense of the whole alliance. It needs to be completely fair
Whoever have to face these cheating alliance will not only loses, they will lose big on points compare to other similar ranked alliances. The worst goes to the alliances who borderline between plat and gold .... They may not be able to make the differences back in the next few wars...
I'm not sure how this can be considered a "con." This seems to imply that one of the downsides of banning a player is that it deprives their alliance of having their presence. But that's the explicit intent of banning a player: to remove them from the game either temporarily or permanently. It isn't really an upside or a downside, it is a consequence of the intentional act of banning a player that doesn't factor into the decision either way.
You can't do that because it is exploitable. Remember: people don't get banned, accounts get banned. There's no real way to ban a person. You can ban a game account, you can ban an email address, but simply because Kabam doesn't actually know which human being on Earth owns an account (they don't even ask) the ban lands on a game account, not a person. If the only punishment alliances got was for the cheating account to be banned, alliances could create dummy accounts and cheat within those, and just keep replacing them as they got banned. And if you know that account is a sacrificial account that will eventually get banned, it isn't hard to mod that account into the stratosphere for the purposes of fighting a couple of wars, so they are not hard to replace for this purpose.
That’s true. It’s nit fair at all for lower rated alliances. Point deduction system should get modified or replaced with another system not affecting the other fair but lower rated alliances
It’s a work in progress not a finished article so sometimes a miss can happen
It is the reality of team competitions. Ultimately, the team rises together or they fall together. You accept that when you are on a team. An alliance is not just a bunch of individuals that happen to enter the same map. It is a team that is judged on how well they work together. A team in which one person is screwing it up for everyone else is in effect a failure of a team. The other members of the team may be blameless, and the one person that screwed it up can and should bear a harsher personal penalty, but at the end of the day the team fails, and the team suffers.
There's no way to punish a team without punishing the members of that team. And when you join a team, you agree to accept the benefits and the deficits of that team as a whole. This is not something you have a choice in, not just in MCOC but in all team competitions of any kind. You have to judge punishment based on what the team deserves, and only what the team deserves. You can't punish a team based on what each individual member of that team might deserve. That's simply not practical or even generally possible.
If the punishment for the violation is seen as too harsh to apply to members of an entire alliance but not too harsh to apply to the alliance as a whole, the only thing you can really do is punish the violators as harshly as possible and with as much deterrent strength as possible to reduce the occurrence of the violation, to spare other alliances of that punishment through prevention in the future.
Not every alliance who got docked had knowledge of cheating in some form but obviously it happened because they were penalized and then sent a message.
Then had to do their own investigation and weed out some members with a process of elimination due to kabams policy which I really don't agree with btw.
Truthfully I wish they would either tell us ( or hint at) who was doing the cheating/ hacking/ modding instead of us trying to figure it out because some are hard to find out especially if it's not noticable.
Honestly I think their poilces are determential to the game though I do appreciate them trying to clean up the game and stick to their guns about going after the higher ones who spend a lot.
They do tell in an indirect way. A member in your alliance gets banned and you can tell from their last login and activity
Not necessarily, they don't always get banned right away kabam will dock first then do the individual one and if it's not serious they won't hand a ban down.
Only if they got banned will you be able to find out which isn't always the case since bans time spans can vary, and then theres the things that your members can say to explain.
You have no way of knowing if they are lying or telling the truth but obviously something happened just you need to figure out did what and when and try to see if your alliance knows and if said vilation was noticable or not
It's not always clear cut and kabam is basically useless in this case due to their policies and the fact they will close threads and comments about it which makes it harder to figure out especially if it's account sharring/ piolting you have no idea who's running the accounts.
Only they and kabam know but it takes some time for kabam to investigate and heavily rely on reports and their detection system.
Piloting in AW season
Account sharing/ piolting and or hacking/ modding during the wars, wasn't just a ban wave it was also a dock hammer.
I don't doubt it, but a lot of what's going on is the fact that kabam docked a lot of alliances in various tiers over the past week for stuff in the war.
People cheat all the time in this game maybe it's time to improve their security and make it harder to hack and mod the game
I think this is done regularly not only during the AW ban wave. Use of mods and bots is definitely against the TOS
We understand that when users break the rules and the spirit of the game in order to cheat that it can be very frustrating. We take these instances very seriously and investigate each case of cheating brought forward to us.
You can find out more information on Account Sharing and Piloting on the link below:
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/64936/regarding-account-sharing-and-piloting#latest
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Porkchop