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12.0 boycott wasn't on the same level as this one, if you were here for it you'd know.

It absolutely freakin was, I even remember the memes, bro this had tons of people losing their minds

You weren't here, you joined the forums in 2023 lol it wasn't on the same level as this one where the devs not only were forced to give us an answer the same day, they even reverted the scoring system change. 12.0 was a dumpsterfire for sure but not on this level.

Tells OP he wasn't here for 12.0 boycott because he has a post-12.0 forum account.
Meanwhile, his own forum account is post-12.0.

Wow, you're something special.

What you said doesn't prove anything - nobody on these forums has a forum account pre-12.0 because these forums had a reset at one point (after 12.0) as they were hosted on a different site with Kabam's other games. It was called the Kabam Forums lol.

But you obviously wouldn't know that.

I was here for that, on the old Forum, and it wasn't the same. Not at all. This situation is a fraction of what that was.

Except they ignored the threat of a boycott and everything was fine. I guess they care more about a dip in profits this time. Cause DMs were flying and we got a report that was supposed to come way later on.

People want Rewards updated, among a few other issues. During 12.0, they changed the entire game because the Champs that were at the top of the food chain stopped them from being able to produce anything that could challenge people. Both literally and mathematically. So they switched to the DR/CR system. No Dev wants to kill their own game.
The problem is there was no communication of this, and it was like it happened overnight. So people fought back. The attention of the game team was gotten, and some compromises were made, but some people pushed for a total revert, and that wasn't in the cards. So they negated their own purpose.
All these things are intended to do is to get the attention of the team and discuss things. You can have the attention and you can expect perfection, but you can't do both.

Compromises were made? You mean forced.
I have yet to see someone say, Oh yay no boycott we got an orange text. Its all good now.

That mentality is exactly what killed the last movement. It's a compromise, not a hostile takeover. They're making an effort to accommodate to people. If you don't respect that, then you're canceling your own argument out.

Oh good old Grounded... Twisting, turning and thinking he landed a triple axle.
I run businesses too, I can be apologetic to the dumbest customer while knowing he is wrong; but I know I will milk him more if I make him think he is right.
You can try to tape a leak, its an effort. Not a fix.

It's a choice, buddy. They could just as easily continue making the game in the way they see fit. I can think of at least a dozen mobile games that don't stop to communicate with users the way these guys do.

They could you are 100% right on that; but I guess a threat of a boycott right now makes them think things over...

Spring cleaning is coming up, all I'm gonna say lol.

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12.0 boycott wasn't on the same level as this one, if you were here for it you'd know.

It absolutely freakin was, I even remember the memes, bro this had tons of people losing their minds

You weren't here, you joined the forums in 2023 lol it wasn't on the same level as this one where the devs not only were forced to give us an answer the same day, they even reverted the scoring system change. 12.0 was a dumpsterfire for sure but not on this level.

Tells OP he wasn't here for 12.0 boycott because he has a post-12.0 forum account.
Meanwhile, his own forum account is post-12.0.

Wow, you're something special.

What you said doesn't prove anything - nobody on these forums has a forum account pre-12.0 because these forums had a reset at one point (after 12.0) as they were hosted on a different site with Kabam's other games. It was called the Kabam Forums lol.

But you obviously wouldn't know that.

I was here for that, on the old Forum, and it wasn't the same. Not at all. This situation is a fraction of what that was.

Except they ignored the threat of a boycott and everything was fine. I guess they care more about a dip in profits this time. Cause DMs were flying and we got a report that was supposed to come way later on.

People want Rewards updated, among a few other issues. During 12.0, they changed the entire game because the Champs that were at the top of the food chain stopped them from being able to produce anything that could challenge people. Both literally and mathematically. So they switched to the DR/CR system. No Dev wants to kill their own game.
The problem is there was no communication of this, and it was like it happened overnight. So people fought back. The attention of the game team was gotten, and some compromises were made, but some people pushed for a total revert, and that wasn't in the cards. So they negated their own purpose.
All these things are intended to do is to get the attention of the team and discuss things. You can have the attention and you can expect perfection, but you can't do both.

Compromises were made? You mean forced.
I have yet to see someone say, Oh yay no boycott we got an orange text. Its all good now.

That mentality is exactly what killed the last movement. It's a compromise, not a hostile takeover. They're making an effort to accommodate to people. If you don't respect that, then you're canceling your own argument out.

Oh good old Grounded... Twisting, turning and thinking he landed a triple axle.
I run businesses too, I can be apologetic to the dumbest customer while knowing he is wrong; but I know I will milk him more if I make him think he is right.
You can try to tape a leak, its an effort. Not a fix.

It's a choice, buddy. They could just as easily continue making the game in the way they see fit. I can think of at least a dozen mobile games that don't stop to communicate with users the way these guys do.

They could you are 100% right on that; but I guess a threat of a boycott right now makes them think things over...

I will stop sleeping on Diablo when I start running recoil, so, probably never.

Hey, sincerely.. I respect your opinion, but serious question - why don't you like Recoil?
Do you play BG competitively? But honestly, even if so you can use Recoils for other games modes?

Edit: I do actually turn them off for long form stuff (most recent was Epoch), but that's about it honestly.. everything else I have them on

Two reasons. I have historically run a lot of mystics and I feel there are so many elements of the game that ask you to throw a lot of specials, whether it’s the matchup, nodes or the need to access a certain champ’s utility.

And second, I just don’t want to pay units to flip recoil on and off. I agree that it’s great for certain champs and content but the range of applications is just too narrow for me — if I have to pay for each change.

Non-BG players be like,
what unity? What boycott?

I read most of the posts on Crashed's thread and watched some of the videos.
I'm not really sure how Kabam can possibly satisfy everyone since the specific complaints are so varied.
Yes, there is a common thread of displeasure over things like bugs, monetization, lack of communication, etc.
But that's a tall order for any company to fulfill; basically, change everything about yourself for a player group that Kabam itself continuously claims is not a relevant portion of the player base.
I just don't know how the disgruntled players can be optimistic for the long term. Yes, maybe they'll get some better rewards or compensation out of this, but there wasn't one specific thing the forumites/youtubers are asking for. I think that would've been easier to get both for them and for Kabam to deliver.

It's also possible that with so much going on in the world, some players are focusing their pent-up frustrations and putting them on the game. Sort of how weird things happened during covid because people were already so unhappy about their own lives....

Time for another session of armchair psychology Dr. Phil?
Literally every single thread and video about the boycott and the displeasure was about the state of BGs in general did you even bother watching any videos before coming here and parroting the usual?

Vega's video literally started out talking about Raids; half the posts on Crashed's thread are talking about all sorts of various complaints. Where is the unity? And what is the unity about? Just unhappiness with Kabam overall? Ok.

That's only the first half of the video, the other half is about BGs, I figured you didn't watch them thanks for confirming.
As for the posts on Crashed's thread, clearly you also didn't read those because more than half are about BGs. Are there some outliers? Of course, easiest way for people with actual dumb complaints to get attention: post your complaint on the master thread. I just don't get why you're so mad and annoyed that people want change, if it's not your problem cause you just began playing then good for you I'm glad you have so much content left for you to do, for some of us who have finished nearly all endgame content BGs is all we have. It's the only game mode that keeps is interested in the game mode, of course we're going to complain and find a way to make them listen if they haven't been listening for the past 12-14 months

You keep changing the goalpost; first it was "all about BG"; now it's "the second half was all about BG". How can Kabam take people like you seriously?

Alright ban evasion is permitted good to know thank you Pikolu

Just gonna say this one more u are also

I find it funny how he wants him banned for doing the exact same thing that he is actively doing almost every weekend. This is what, your 8th forum account Mr David? I'd be much slower to draw attention to yourself if I were you.

No this is my one and only forum account I’m new. Also that sounds like a justification for his actions and still no mention of how they are doing something wrong

Dude, that is the worst lie I've seen. Kabam Pinwheel has already identified that it is you in the past by tracking your IP. You're so obsessed with being on here that you found a way around your IP ban you got after your 5th ban and you claim to be new while also spamming forums in the exact same way you have been for the past 3 accounts. On the off chance you are actually new, choose a different role model than the dude who has been banned a ton on here.


These are not the behaviors of someone who claims to be new.

How does someone even get around an IP ban?

Its like people escaping bans theres always a way