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We posted about the shift to Batch Updates a few months ago. There are various reasons why we shifted to Batch releases instead of the old system - one of them being, it does give us more time for full review where we can make sure if a Champion needs a tune up they get one.

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It isn't about "waiting" to release his buff, it's about having an orderly process that allows the team to do their best work without having to crunch to unrealistic timelines.

I am pretty apologetic for my stance here Kabam - but you can't have it both ways. You can't say "it didn't take us seven months to rebalance Patriot" while also saying "we didn't have Patriot rebalanced before the seven months was over and just choose not to release him".

Like... okay I get the whole rebalance program cadence but, it really felt bad with Patriot here. I can appreciate that perhaps the old cadence was getting to be too much for the developers and something needed to give; but Patriot was released over a year ago and the people who do play him quite hard have been waiting for this almost as soon as he was released.

Waiting an entire year to find out how my champion will be adjusted is kind of wild.

Now, I'm not suggesting that you give us updates during the process, because with this community that would clearly be a nightmare. I'm also not suggesting that you go back to what it was. Yes, that rebalance cadence worked for the community but clearly it didn't work for the developers and frankly - they're the ones who matter here.

But can we please find some middle ground where, sure there's a standard and orderly process, but if there's a character like Viv Vision or Patriot who end up not taking the whole process to tweak... maybe give the community a treat and say "Hey, we're actually done early and pretty pleased with what we have. Here are some notes to look forward to." or... if actually possible, just push them live rather than wait for the deadline.

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Now, on to the actual thread.

Stronger and longer physical Vulnerability, ruptures now last less time but do the same amount of damage for shorter fights, extended heavy charge duration and the lower threshold for steadfast

So nothing meaningful. Got it

Okay, I'm clearly all aboard the train in saying that Patriot shouldn't have taken this long to release. But if you actually think that:

Increasing the potency of his physical vulnerabilities by over 100% and extending their duration by 50% is "nothing meaningful" then respectfully, you either don't understand the character and numbers, or just never had realistic expectations for his rebalance.

The extended heavy alone is actually pretty huge piece of utility that transformed his Reversal from being "nice, but kind of niche" to "this is actually useful".

The shorter timeframe on his ruptures while leaving the potency the same as they were is another increase in damage.

He's doing much more damage overall in shorter windows and he's a lot smoother.

Patriot's rebalance may seem like only a few numbers were changed and a line was moved, but that's actually both quite meaningful as well as suggestive that his core kit was already quite good.

No restrictions on 7* version of champions. You can play whoever you want, even 2* haha... I remember I defeated the Red Goblin for 2* Ronan in Crucible in Act 7 out of boredom

Not a good way of answering a question at all.

Will it be 7* locked champs or can you also use 6* ?? I don’t know if they mentioned it on te last stream

I don't think anybody but Kabam knows at this point. We'll have to wait and see until it goes live or a mod says something

It is known. There are no restrictions. Even in the description of Crucible they say use your best champions (especially your 7* champions). When there are any restrictions, it is stated immediately, it is strange that you cannot understand it. But if you do not believe in versions below 6*, then 6* and 7* are obviously available

You just made that up completely lol nowhere does it say anything about "especially your 7*", it says it's one of the toughest challenges and to be prepared to bring in your strongest champs. Allowing us to use 6* wouldn't make this content challenging in the slightest and it's supposed to be "one of the toughest challenges". Act 8 wasn't even tough back when 6* were still relevant what makes you think it'll be "onw of the toughest challenges" if they don't 7* lock it? Literally Kingpin solos Bahamet with zero issues and so does Kitty with Scytalis, the same goes for the rest of the defenders there is no challenge if they let us use 6* the whole thing is going to be a walk in the park.

I just advise you to take back your words. It seems rude, although I understand that not everyone is able to read the info

Isn’t it the same?

Old anti-venom had 10% personal debuff potency increase for every 10 hits, and 5% increased non personal debuff potency for every 10 hits. This capped at 50 hits so 50% debuff potency for personal and 25% for non personal.

Exacerbate (2.5% non damaging debuff potency for new debuffs) whenever he inflicts a personal debuff, and personal debuffs gain an extra 2.5% potency for 5% total, maxing out at 10 stacks. That’s still 50% personal debuff potency.

The fact that you can’t lose progress on this ability is a good thing. It means nodes that reset your combo or mess with it in some way, now do nothing. Now it’s consistent and reliable and still very effective at providing debuff potency. And they’re passive so they’re literally not going away.

And the fact that you get them up when you apply a personal debuff is good, you can use the petrify and staggers to get them up so quickly, rather than having to reach 50 combo.

My issue isnt even the "buff". Its his kit to begin with. He's basically created to kill Photon. Problem is he's not good against the science class in general. He puts debuffs on himself but doesnt remove debuffs which is a no no for some science champs bc they benefit from you having debuffs on said champ. Hes not good against the mystic class in general bc he still gains buffs. Throw mutant out of course. This is the issue with these super restrictive defenders. We need tough defenders but with the game going in the direction of needing a hard counter for these newer defenders to have success, the new attackers/counters that come later can sometimes end up being a good counter for that champ and not necessarily good in other places in general. Some are but this is how we end up with a Patriot or Falcon Joaquin. Im not ranking up Patriot up just to kill Photon and not really have use for him anywhere else. Wish he had more utility like an anti evade mechanism of some sort. Just my opinion. Everyone is respectfully entitled to theirs.

I re-read his kit today before I took my sig 60 Patriot for a spin, and it really is ridiculous how directly it matches Photon. Seems like a joke almost. Vigilance if you parry, steadfast for unblockable specials, can’t reduce his regen, applies weakness to the opponent to reduce block damage, etc etc. I really don’t know if DLL designed him over a weekend or what.

And the whole reversal mechanic still seems like it’s supposed to be some kind of big deal, but it’s just a gimmick. All I want is to gain the fury and precision so I can do some real damage. But to do it I have to back off, charge a heavy, hope the AI cooperates, and then after they get back up, you have to get another opening to actually use those juicy buffs.