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Civil Warrior Buff Idea coming from his biggest fan
Civil Warrior is my favorite champion in this game, and he is going to be my first r5. I would be surprised if anyone has played him as much as I have. I’ve used him frequently in every area of the game, and have a great knowledge of his strengths and weaknesses. I think that he is incredibly underrated in today’s game, but I also completely understand why people aren’t using him.
I want more people to use him, and a buff is needed, but I don’t think a completely new kit is necessary or even ideal. I think that with the changes I’ve listed below, he would become far more relevant than he is now. My goal with this idea was to keep his current kit, but get rid of its problems and build upon its strengths.
The TL;DR of these changes is listed below, for further explanation please read through the entire post. Reading the list alone may not make sense without the additional explanation. The changes are listed in order of importance.
1. Substantial increase to his critical rating
2. Duration of fury buffs extended by 5-7.5 seconds
3. Pre fight abilities:
- Armor to fury conversion consumes all but 1 armor up buff (oldest remains)
- Armor to fury conversion consumes all but 4 armor up buffs (oldest 4 remain)
4. Blocking an unblockable attack consumes 5 fury buffs to provide a 20 second steadfast buff
5. “Electric defense” mechanic added only for defense
6. Additional piece of utility on 4th light attack:
- For example, 3 fury buffs consumed to provide a 15 second true strike buff
7. Signature ability change: Start the fight with 1-5 permanent armor up buffs
1. Substantial increase to critical rating
Civil Warrior’s damage is actually quite good right now, but that’s only if you invest in his critical rating quite heavily. I need the crit rating stat focus, as well as a 7* r2 prowler relic (crit rate+damage) to see an acceptable (still not ideal) amount of crits. For a champion that so heavily relies on his crits to deal significant damage, increasing his crit rating would immediately make his overall damage far more appealing to most players.
2. Duration of fury buffs extended by 5-7.5 seconds
One of the biggest drawbacks with civil warrior is his fury buff duration. Combined with the playstyle of dashing back and blocking, this problem becomes very apparent. Similar to crossbones, you can maintain his furies in most cases, but the playstyle itself can be extremely stressful at times. It is far too easy for most players who are unfamiliar with civil warrior to accidentally miss the refresh window, causing all furies to fall off. This change would drastically increase his ease of use. While some people still may not like the playstyle, a lot more wouldn’t be worried about messing up with it, and would actually be incentivized to play him.
3. Pre fight abilities:
This change probably didn’t make sense to most of you. However, implementing both of these abilities would drastically increase his matchup spread.
- Armor to fury conversion consumes all but 1 armor up buff (oldest remains)
When you dash back and convert armor buffs to fury, currently all armor buffs are consumed. In a matchup where armor is needed, such as Havok, this becomes an immediate problem. While getting armor up buffs back can happen quickly after this conversion, avoiding havok’s detonation throughout the entirety of a fight becomes extremely risky. That is because there are so many windows where you don’t have access to armor, leaving you vulnerable.
- Armor to fury conversion consumes all but 4 armor up buffs (oldest 4 remain)
For anyone who doesn’t know, Civil Warrior gains 25% resistance to bleed and poison debuff ability accuracy with each armor on him. This means that with 4 or more armors, he becomes immune to bleed and poison. However, this piece of utility is largely impractical and requires a lot of gameplay precision. Most times where I’ve attempted to use this mechanic to my advantage, the fight ends up out of my control one way or another. This would instead allow for Civil Warrior to easily remain bleed and poison immune for the entirety of the fight at high sig (explanation at #7).
4. Blocking an unblockable attack consumes 5 fury buffs to provide a 20 second steadfast buff
One of the biggest problems that I hear brought up with civil warrior is that his playstyle immediately becomes useless when unblockable is involved. While he can still be used, unblockable immediately makes him far more difficult to use. Steadfast in some degree is needed if he were to receive a buff. With this concept, 5 furies (not armors, that would destroy his rotation) are immediately consumed to provide a long steadfast buff.
This would mean that there is no need to activate a steadfast beforehand, and it instead acts as a safety net. For anyone wondering how hard it is to obtain 5 fury buffs for this safety net, they can easily be gained within the first 10 seconds of a fight.
5. “Electric defense” mechanic added only for defense
The truth of today’s game is that many people won’t rank up someone unless they have both offensive and defensive value. Right now, Civil Warrior has absolutely 0
defensive value on his kit. However, he has been a defender in the past, specifically during the “electric defense” meta of bgs.
Adding the same functionality of the node to his kit (on defense only) would immediately make him a prominent meta defender. The most recent comparison to how he could act on defense is Captain Britain. Many people have ranked her up only for defense, so it would drastically increase his value as well. He would require specific counters, such as Galan, or armor shatter champs (again giving more value to Vision Aarkus, who many will receive ascension materials for). This is also due to Civil Warrior’s nullify and stagger immunity, rendering many of what would be good mystic counters useless.
6. Additional piece of utility on 4th light attack
Civil Warrior needs one more piece of utility I believe to really be ranked up frequently. Also, his 4th light attack specifically doesn’t do anything, and it looks cool so I want to use it more.
- For example, 3 fury buffs consumed to provide a 15 second true strike buff
Evade and auto block matchups can stall Civil Warrior, so this would just increase his matchup spread even further. There are a ton of different utility options that could be added here though.
7. Signature ability change: Start the fight with 1-5 permanent armor up buffs
Currently, CW has 2 points in his signature ability. One changes with higher sig, allowing him to take 15-60% reduced damage from specials when blocking. The other, gives him 2 permanent armor up buffs at the start of the fight and is accessible from sig 1. While the 2 armor up buffs help, they don’t add much.
This would increase the value of putting sig stones into CW. For example, let’s say that he gains 1 armor at sig 1, and 1 more armor for every 50 sig levels. At sig 150 or above, he is able to immediately start every fight (with the 2nd pre-fight ability listed above) with full bleed and poison immunity. At sig 1, he is able to counter Havok. This is because the pre-fight abilities would leave the oldest armor up buffs after converting.
Civil Warrior has such a good kit, but it needs improvement to be accepted by the general player base. All I want is for more people to enjoy him as much as I do. Please like this if you’re in agreement, I really do want Kabam to see this post. My worry is that they would buff him but change his kit identity completely, when really all he needs is a few improvements. Civil Warrior doesn’t need the Majik treatment, he needs the Sandman treatment.
I’ve seen how he works or doesn’t in every area of the game currently, and as someone who has played him the most, I believe these are the best possible changes to make. Thanks to anyone who took the time to read through this, I know it was quite lengthy.
I want more people to use him, and a buff is needed, but I don’t think a completely new kit is necessary or even ideal. I think that with the changes I’ve listed below, he would become far more relevant than he is now. My goal with this idea was to keep his current kit, but get rid of its problems and build upon its strengths.
The TL;DR of these changes is listed below, for further explanation please read through the entire post. Reading the list alone may not make sense without the additional explanation. The changes are listed in order of importance.
1. Substantial increase to his critical rating
2. Duration of fury buffs extended by 5-7.5 seconds
3. Pre fight abilities:
- Armor to fury conversion consumes all but 1 armor up buff (oldest remains)
- Armor to fury conversion consumes all but 4 armor up buffs (oldest 4 remain)
4. Blocking an unblockable attack consumes 5 fury buffs to provide a 20 second steadfast buff
5. “Electric defense” mechanic added only for defense
6. Additional piece of utility on 4th light attack:
- For example, 3 fury buffs consumed to provide a 15 second true strike buff
7. Signature ability change: Start the fight with 1-5 permanent armor up buffs
1. Substantial increase to critical rating
Civil Warrior’s damage is actually quite good right now, but that’s only if you invest in his critical rating quite heavily. I need the crit rating stat focus, as well as a 7* r2 prowler relic (crit rate+damage) to see an acceptable (still not ideal) amount of crits. For a champion that so heavily relies on his crits to deal significant damage, increasing his crit rating would immediately make his overall damage far more appealing to most players.
2. Duration of fury buffs extended by 5-7.5 seconds
One of the biggest drawbacks with civil warrior is his fury buff duration. Combined with the playstyle of dashing back and blocking, this problem becomes very apparent. Similar to crossbones, you can maintain his furies in most cases, but the playstyle itself can be extremely stressful at times. It is far too easy for most players who are unfamiliar with civil warrior to accidentally miss the refresh window, causing all furies to fall off. This change would drastically increase his ease of use. While some people still may not like the playstyle, a lot more wouldn’t be worried about messing up with it, and would actually be incentivized to play him.
3. Pre fight abilities:
This change probably didn’t make sense to most of you. However, implementing both of these abilities would drastically increase his matchup spread.
- Armor to fury conversion consumes all but 1 armor up buff (oldest remains)
When you dash back and convert armor buffs to fury, currently all armor buffs are consumed. In a matchup where armor is needed, such as Havok, this becomes an immediate problem. While getting armor up buffs back can happen quickly after this conversion, avoiding havok’s detonation throughout the entirety of a fight becomes extremely risky. That is because there are so many windows where you don’t have access to armor, leaving you vulnerable.
- Armor to fury conversion consumes all but 4 armor up buffs (oldest 4 remain)
For anyone who doesn’t know, Civil Warrior gains 25% resistance to bleed and poison debuff ability accuracy with each armor on him. This means that with 4 or more armors, he becomes immune to bleed and poison. However, this piece of utility is largely impractical and requires a lot of gameplay precision. Most times where I’ve attempted to use this mechanic to my advantage, the fight ends up out of my control one way or another. This would instead allow for Civil Warrior to easily remain bleed and poison immune for the entirety of the fight at high sig (explanation at #7).
4. Blocking an unblockable attack consumes 5 fury buffs to provide a 20 second steadfast buff
One of the biggest problems that I hear brought up with civil warrior is that his playstyle immediately becomes useless when unblockable is involved. While he can still be used, unblockable immediately makes him far more difficult to use. Steadfast in some degree is needed if he were to receive a buff. With this concept, 5 furies (not armors, that would destroy his rotation) are immediately consumed to provide a long steadfast buff.
This would mean that there is no need to activate a steadfast beforehand, and it instead acts as a safety net. For anyone wondering how hard it is to obtain 5 fury buffs for this safety net, they can easily be gained within the first 10 seconds of a fight.
5. “Electric defense” mechanic added only for defense
The truth of today’s game is that many people won’t rank up someone unless they have both offensive and defensive value. Right now, Civil Warrior has absolutely 0
defensive value on his kit. However, he has been a defender in the past, specifically during the “electric defense” meta of bgs.
Adding the same functionality of the node to his kit (on defense only) would immediately make him a prominent meta defender. The most recent comparison to how he could act on defense is Captain Britain. Many people have ranked her up only for defense, so it would drastically increase his value as well. He would require specific counters, such as Galan, or armor shatter champs (again giving more value to Vision Aarkus, who many will receive ascension materials for). This is also due to Civil Warrior’s nullify and stagger immunity, rendering many of what would be good mystic counters useless.
6. Additional piece of utility on 4th light attack
Civil Warrior needs one more piece of utility I believe to really be ranked up frequently. Also, his 4th light attack specifically doesn’t do anything, and it looks cool so I want to use it more.
- For example, 3 fury buffs consumed to provide a 15 second true strike buff
Evade and auto block matchups can stall Civil Warrior, so this would just increase his matchup spread even further. There are a ton of different utility options that could be added here though.
7. Signature ability change: Start the fight with 1-5 permanent armor up buffs
Currently, CW has 2 points in his signature ability. One changes with higher sig, allowing him to take 15-60% reduced damage from specials when blocking. The other, gives him 2 permanent armor up buffs at the start of the fight and is accessible from sig 1. While the 2 armor up buffs help, they don’t add much.
This would increase the value of putting sig stones into CW. For example, let’s say that he gains 1 armor at sig 1, and 1 more armor for every 50 sig levels. At sig 150 or above, he is able to immediately start every fight (with the 2nd pre-fight ability listed above) with full bleed and poison immunity. At sig 1, he is able to counter Havok. This is because the pre-fight abilities would leave the oldest armor up buffs after converting.
Civil Warrior has such a good kit, but it needs improvement to be accepted by the general player base. All I want is for more people to enjoy him as much as I do. Please like this if you’re in agreement, I really do want Kabam to see this post. My worry is that they would buff him but change his kit identity completely, when really all he needs is a few improvements. Civil Warrior doesn’t need the Majik treatment, he needs the Sandman treatment.
I’ve seen how he works or doesn’t in every area of the game currently, and as someone who has played him the most, I believe these are the best possible changes to make. Thanks to anyone who took the time to read through this, I know it was quite lengthy.
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Just finished the gauntlet ordeal
After completing the quest for the very first time I wanted to share my experience with others who might be doing it as well
It was tricky getting used to the nodes and HPs combined with the defender's own abilities. With the help of guides I manage to complete it a lot easily than I thought it would be
I only managed to one shot 8 of the fights. Including the boss I used about 30 single revives to complete the quest but 0 units were spent
Luckily I had a team of bangers and they all played their part
Here's who I used for each fight and how it went
My team: R3 Warlock, R4 Spider woman, R3 Hulk, R4 Jean gray, R4 Nick fury
Doom- Hulk- avoidable mistakes
Terrax- Jean gray- annoying fight
Vision- Spider woman- annoying fight
Modok- Nick fury- one shot
Spider Ham- Nick fury- annoying fight and avoidable mistakes
Weapon x- Warlock- one shot
Thing- Nick fury- annoying fight should have used jean gray
Korg- Jean gray- avoidable mistakes
Dragon man- Spider woman- avoidable mistakes
Black panther CW- Jean gray- one shot
Nightcrawler- Warlock- one shot
Spider gwen- Nick fury- avoidable mistakes
Domino- Jean gray- one shot
Mojo- Hulk- annoying fight
IMM abom- Hulk- one shot
Apocalypse- Hulk- avoidable mistakes
Sasquatch- Spider woman- so close to one shot but messed up
Killmonger- Jean gray- one shot
Void- Jean gray- annoying fight
Nick fury- Jean gray- one shot
Thanos(BOSS)- used everyone on him. Jean gray was good and Hulk did a lot of work because he's an avenger. Avoidable mistakes here too
Got first time 7 star Photon from a nexus and duped my R4 Niko minoru from a titan nexus from the completion rewards and the #hero objective rewards
It was tricky getting used to the nodes and HPs combined with the defender's own abilities. With the help of guides I manage to complete it a lot easily than I thought it would be
I only managed to one shot 8 of the fights. Including the boss I used about 30 single revives to complete the quest but 0 units were spent
Luckily I had a team of bangers and they all played their part
Here's who I used for each fight and how it went
My team: R3 Warlock, R4 Spider woman, R3 Hulk, R4 Jean gray, R4 Nick fury
Doom- Hulk- avoidable mistakes
Terrax- Jean gray- annoying fight
Vision- Spider woman- annoying fight
Modok- Nick fury- one shot
Spider Ham- Nick fury- annoying fight and avoidable mistakes
Weapon x- Warlock- one shot
Thing- Nick fury- annoying fight should have used jean gray
Korg- Jean gray- avoidable mistakes
Dragon man- Spider woman- avoidable mistakes
Black panther CW- Jean gray- one shot
Nightcrawler- Warlock- one shot
Spider gwen- Nick fury- avoidable mistakes
Domino- Jean gray- one shot
Mojo- Hulk- annoying fight
IMM abom- Hulk- one shot
Apocalypse- Hulk- avoidable mistakes
Sasquatch- Spider woman- so close to one shot but messed up
Killmonger- Jean gray- one shot
Void- Jean gray- annoying fight
Nick fury- Jean gray- one shot
Thanos(BOSS)- used everyone on him. Jean gray was good and Hulk did a lot of work because he's an avenger. Avoidable mistakes here too
Got first time 7 star Photon from a nexus and duped my R4 Niko minoru from a titan nexus from the completion rewards and the #hero objective rewards
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