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Can we just kick them off the forums as well? Not only have a bunch of people cheated and been caught but now half the threads are about how they are so hard done by and that it was a mistake they got banned.

I hope you get banned soon for no reason! Let's see how much calm u stay! 🙂

You were banned for a reason.

Oh, I don't think so! Kabam will come up with some BS reason! Only time will tell!

There r YouTubers who r mercing openly and yet their accounts haven't been suspended! So it's no surprise that Kabam has actually messed up big time! 🙂

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No one got banned for no reason.
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Yes, because Kabam is unerring and their software doesn't give any errors

Everybody makes mistakes. But if Kabam's software was banning people for literally no reason, meaning it was just banning players randomly, we would definitely know it by now. First, because of the high probability of baning a high profile player, and second because Kabam has been investigating reports of errant bans, and so far hasn't actually found any errors. So if errors exist, they have to be very rare, and if the ban algorithm is making very rare error they almost certainly have to be being generated for some very odd corner case reason that makes those accounts unique for a very specific reason. Widespread random errors would have been spotted by now.

To be honest, the more snarky comments like this I see, the less inclined I am to spend time trying to sort through this all. I've already spent more time looking, reading, and questioning, and so far the best I've come up with is wasting the devs time looking at a proven fraud.

I am someone that has assisted players getting erroneous bans reversed. I don't assume everyone is lying or wrong. However, I have also seen enough vacations to Mexico to know that the vast overwhelming majority of the time people are lying or mistaken or both. The bans I got reversed were not random, they both had very obvious reasons for triggering the bans. Bans from out of nowhere for no reason are vanishingly rare.

Hey , another question. Again, assuming they aren't lying (as I write this I wonder if the question is futile). There are claims of people who have multiple accounts and some getting banned and others not. And claiming it's on the same device. Is there any way that could happen?

Angela, Odin and whoever else is needed for a fight.

Can change depending on the hacks I get. A max sig, r4 Sisniter is also OP.

Talking about incursion squads, what your Mr. Sinister team? Really want to run him, just not sure what team & hacks work best

Depends on the hacks I get. But typically, I make him a horseman and keep Apoc on the team for synergy. If I have to remove Apoc, then I switch him back in for another star rarity level. Put Odin pre-fights on [rare times where you may not want to]

Regular Hacks: Degen hacks [increase duration and potency], stun +50%, increase attack by 4% per debuff

Boss hacks: Second chance [when it activates, let them just hit you. If you get a crit against you, you'll probably heal to max health], increase debuff by 30% and reinforcement hacks by 50%, the two that deal degen [heavy attack and special attack I think]
@Giantwalrus56 [and for your venom team, don't forget about Knull's synergy. Coupled with Second chance, he is virtually unkillable].

So, before Kabam adopted this new technology, these accounts were compliant, but after it was adopted, they became illegal?

no, they were never compliant, they're just enforcing their rules. as far as i know, and i'm 99.9999% sure, using modified software has always been against the TOS.

i totally get your frustration and even if you didn't gain any competitive advantage, they're clamping down hard on the cheating ecosystem.

Why don't they seriously catch those who actually violate the rules in BG mode, but suddenly ban a lot of innocent people who have never used cheating software?

BG is actually really tame right now today. And not a modder in sight (Diamond 3 to GC, 104 points, just today). So it does seem like the ban worked as the app was probably sideloaded and modified for the BG cheaters.

But it accidentally killed many players who played games in a law-abiding manner.

Using an app that was illegally obtained in the first place!!

After such a long time, they suddenly use a ban to notify customers who have paid, saying that the client you downloaded is illegal and in violation of regulations? Not even prior notice？Who taught him to do this?

What are you on about? It's never been ok to download the game via other methods than the authorized ones. And they have periodically sent out in game mails saying so for years. So there always been a warning they only just now have the tech to identify it easily.

Since they have long considered these to be illegal, how should they deal with the money spent? Can Kabam collect money from illegal sources?

Think of it this way - shopping at Costco is technically only available to members. Some people aren’t members but borrow a membership from someone they know to go buy stuff. Some non-members may sneak in to just get a cheap hot dog at the food court.

Once Costco is able to better detect who is and isn’t a member, they can choose to “ban” non-members from buying more stuff until they become a real member. There is no reason that Costco needs to refund money for past purchases. The money itself was not illegal, and the non-member obtained goods for their money at that time that.

We don’t know — and can’t know — if someone using an unofficial client is actively cheating or not. If there’s a possibility they’re modding and they’re already violating ToS by using the wrong client, then Kabam has to act in the best interest of the game. I feel bad for someone who lives in a region where they are only able to access the game through unorthodox means. But it is what it is.

Just to amplify this a bit, a lot of people don't fully appreciate why Kabam very strictly prohibits things like the use of emulated environments or unofficial game clients. The reason why is because once you allow players to play on environments you do not control or do not have a complete understanding of, you can't trust anything that happens anymore. Even if you build anti-cheat capabilities into the client, you can't trust what they say if the game runs in an emulated environment where the player theoretically has the ability to control anything the game client sees or does. Ditto if the game client has been altered in any way.

When someone says they should only ban people when they actually cheat, that's like saying banks should allow people to wander around in the bank vaults and teller stations, sift through the cash, and only stop them if they actually try to leave with money in their pockets. That's asking for too much. They have to stop players from using tools that make it extremely difficult to catch cheating, even if those players aren't cheating. There's no way to be certain those players aren't cheating, and we can't just take their word for it.

I do in fact have sympathy for players who side load the game because circumstances make it impossible for them to download through authorized channels. However, it is also important to note that Kabam didn't just straight up ban everyone. According to their announcement, a bunch of people were banned permanently. Some were temporarily banned and/or given warnings. Players have come forward to state they were either perma banned or temp banned, so we know both kinds of bans went out. This wasn't done randomly. Some players who were using these unauthorized clients drew warnings or short term bans. The rest got perma banned. There's likely to be a very good reason Kabam had for deciding which players were permanently kicked. It wasn't just for side loading the game client.