Omni wrote: » Noob and viper stop arguing I’m getting notifications and neither of you are quoting me. Agree to disagree and @ContestOfNoobs go to sleep it’s like 6 am in Italy
Stevie_Stars1 wrote: » xNig wrote: » Stevie_Stars1 wrote: » Primmer79 wrote: » So... shouldn't we be happy? Yoi might be but im furious Yeah I’m furious too! 3 months back I bought a pair of shoes and today, when I went back to the store today, it was on 30% discount! To top it off, it will come with a pair of free shoe laces! Made me so mad!! Do you think I should complain to the store and demand that they refund the price difference? You bought a pair of $500 shoes then they went down to less than $200 in only a few months?!?!? I'd be pissed at that too. You are comparing $50 shoes to a $500 offer.
xNig wrote: » Stevie_Stars1 wrote: » Primmer79 wrote: » So... shouldn't we be happy? Yoi might be but im furious Yeah I’m furious too! 3 months back I bought a pair of shoes and today, when I went back to the store today, it was on 30% discount! To top it off, it will come with a pair of free shoe laces! Made me so mad!! Do you think I should complain to the store and demand that they refund the price difference?
Stevie_Stars1 wrote: » Primmer79 wrote: » So... shouldn't we be happy? Yoi might be but im furious
Primmer79 wrote: » So... shouldn't we be happy?
xNig wrote: » Stevie_Stars1 wrote: » xNig wrote: » Stevie_Stars1 wrote: » Primmer79 wrote: » So... shouldn't we be happy? Yoi might be but im furious Yeah I’m furious too! 3 months back I bought a pair of shoes and today, when I went back to the store today, it was on 30% discount! To top it off, it will come with a pair of free shoe laces! Made me so mad!! Do you think I should complain to the store and demand that they refund the price difference? You bought a pair of $500 shoes then they went down to less than $200 in only a few months?!?!? I'd be pissed at that too. You are comparing $50 shoes to a $500 offer. When you bought the shoe at $500 you felt it was a fair deal. No one forced you to buy it. No one. Now it’s on discount, you’re complaining about the choice YOU made a few months back. Lol. Have you been using him for the past few months? If yes, then don’t complain. If no, then well.. sad to hear that but it was your choice to buy him when you had no use for him.
Stevie_Stars1 wrote: » xNig wrote: » Stevie_Stars1 wrote: » xNig wrote: » Stevie_Stars1 wrote: » Primmer79 wrote: » So... shouldn't we be happy? Yoi might be but im furious Yeah I’m furious too! 3 months back I bought a pair of shoes and today, when I went back to the store today, it was on 30% discount! To top it off, it will come with a pair of free shoe laces! Made me so mad!! Do you think I should complain to the store and demand that they refund the price difference? You bought a pair of $500 shoes then they went down to less than $200 in only a few months?!?!? I'd be pissed at that too. You are comparing $50 shoes to a $500 offer. When you bought the shoe at $500 you felt it was a fair deal. No one forced you to buy it. No one. Now it’s on discount, you’re complaining about the choice YOU made a few months back. Lol. Have you been using him for the past few months? If yes, then don’t complain. If no, then well.. sad to hear that but it was your choice to buy him when you had no use for him. I want you to seriously and I mean for just one second open that mind of yours and put yourself in the 'shoes' of the people who bought that deal. You have no clue of the circumstances that allowed them to buy it so remove any aggression you are feeling towards someone you only THINK is a quote unquote "whale" (which I am most definitely not) and consider how those people are feeling watching hundreds of dollars wash down the drain for something they were sold as this super exclusive deal. It really really sucks. I would have NO problem if the deal continued periodically. I wouldn't even mind that it includes all the other stuff the first deal didnt. I think, just my opinion and these chats have a TON of opinions, that the cost should have always been the same as the first time. People are responding on here that you DONT have to pay for the deal but you can grind and save units. Fine save units.. Save after you saw the last deal but I dont think that it should have had such a LARGE drop in price. It is a total slap to those who either did save units for or bought the last deal. I am not a whale so buying that deal was meant to help my s### roster at the time as I loved playing the game and having a dope Vision on my team was going to be sick and I knew it would raise some eyebrow. I'd deal with those raised eyebrows and the cost eventually. Now.... it was basically for nothing going forward. Money down the drain.... oh, and rank up material down the drain.... awakening gem down the drain. Hard earned items down the drain. That's why this sucks.
ContestOfNoobs wrote: » V1PER1987 wrote: » ContestOfNoobs wrote: » V1PER1987 wrote: » ContestOfNoobs wrote: » V1PER1987 wrote: » I don’t know why Kabam insists on releasing such absurd offers that are outrageously priced. I feel like whoever is running things never went to business school. Is it more profitable to have 500 people buy something for $300 or 50,000 people buy something for $50? Unless their goal really is to keep Vision exclusive and only in as few hands as possible. Then job well done. How long have you been playing? Have you been to business school? You do know mcoc has been very successful in making money in this game and this game has been up and running for a long time in its lifetime. Next thing you know t5cc will be very expensive/hard to get. People will also complain how much those are gonna be And next thing you know we will all be chasing t6basic. Top alliances in master/platinum are competing for t5b but i garantee u that t5b will be a free calender item in 2-3 years from now. Compare this oicture below Top is 4th of july offer, and its 1 of the best deals came out this year. Bottom is a picture of a deal that came out like almost 2months ago. And just wait for a 4th of july deal for 2019. I’ve been playing since the start so no need to lecture me on Kabam economics. I know they can charge what they want because the whales will buy anything to stay on top. You completely missed my point though, which still stands. If they were to drop the prices of their offers they would stand to be more profitable. This isn’t a company that manufactures actual goods so catering to 50,000 is just as easy/costly as 500. Your screenshot is also irrelevant. I’m not sure what your point is. The offers get “better”? If that’s your point, that opinion is relative to the person looking at the offers. For most people nothing in a mobile game is worth $100+. The point I was trying to express was if they lowered the prices on most of their offers, there would be more interested consumers. And not that it matters, but I am an accountant, so yes, I’ve learned my share of business. They do, u should know value of 4* 2 years,1 years ago, the have decreased but prices have also decreased for them. Over a year ago 4* for $30 was a decent price This year they have offered 2 4* for 30 and 3 4* for 30$ Remember when 5* shards 1 unit per crystal ratio? If u played this game as long as u said you said you would know. 5* have had so much value until 6* have been released. And slowly 5* are becoming more accessible and easier to get. You should know the games life and plan is to continually grow and progress vey slowly. If you played from the beginning you should know that when t6b and t5cc they will be sold for top value and or very hard competitive modes like aw. The only way to get more t5b than everyone else is either buying those very expensive deals for them and/or playing in high tiers of alliance war. From the 4th of july deal they “value” a full t5b for $300, $100 get + all bonus stuff 15,00 t5b 3100 units 5* crystal 2/3 t2alpha Then they release offer of same price $100 for 4,500 t5b 40 t4cc crystals is nothing. And thats all you get. They cut the price of getting vision from 15,000 units down to 5,000 units. You should know they sold 4* vision “only” being sold if purchased for $100 usa dollars to being able to be purchased with units for 4,000 units in 2017. But who would spend 4,000 units for a 4* og vision in 2018? When in 2018 theres 5* vision. You would think this offer was rip off if it was offered in 2018. But when 4* still had alot of value this was a gold deal. Alot of people “saved” units, instead of flat out buying 4* vision as a money only option. From time span of 6 months and 3 aw seasons, witch most people use this vision for his utility. You could wait another 6months and maybe kabam will release vision offer again for even cheaper, but you have to ask urself where will the economy of mcoc be? Once again you’re completely missing the point. Kabam will not devalue 5* and how rare a champion is, we are slowly moving onto 6* shard deals. But since u know alot about business, you should really apply to kabam and get ahold of people in kabam business about these deals, and give community something worth buying then, I am sure alot of people would want a reasonabke price for 5/6* nowadays, if u price them much cheaper, but as soon as u value said crystal/deal thats what people will go buy. 2years ago 1 odin get u a bonus 4* witch at the time was a really good deal... Last year $30 for 4* was a decent deal This year $30 for 4* is bad deal Next year $30 for 4* is a horrible deal
V1PER1987 wrote: » ContestOfNoobs wrote: » V1PER1987 wrote: » ContestOfNoobs wrote: » V1PER1987 wrote: » I don’t know why Kabam insists on releasing such absurd offers that are outrageously priced. I feel like whoever is running things never went to business school. Is it more profitable to have 500 people buy something for $300 or 50,000 people buy something for $50? Unless their goal really is to keep Vision exclusive and only in as few hands as possible. Then job well done. How long have you been playing? Have you been to business school? You do know mcoc has been very successful in making money in this game and this game has been up and running for a long time in its lifetime. Next thing you know t5cc will be very expensive/hard to get. People will also complain how much those are gonna be And next thing you know we will all be chasing t6basic. Top alliances in master/platinum are competing for t5b but i garantee u that t5b will be a free calender item in 2-3 years from now. Compare this oicture below Top is 4th of july offer, and its 1 of the best deals came out this year. Bottom is a picture of a deal that came out like almost 2months ago. And just wait for a 4th of july deal for 2019. I’ve been playing since the start so no need to lecture me on Kabam economics. I know they can charge what they want because the whales will buy anything to stay on top. You completely missed my point though, which still stands. If they were to drop the prices of their offers they would stand to be more profitable. This isn’t a company that manufactures actual goods so catering to 50,000 is just as easy/costly as 500. Your screenshot is also irrelevant. I’m not sure what your point is. The offers get “better”? If that’s your point, that opinion is relative to the person looking at the offers. For most people nothing in a mobile game is worth $100+. The point I was trying to express was if they lowered the prices on most of their offers, there would be more interested consumers. And not that it matters, but I am an accountant, so yes, I’ve learned my share of business. They do, u should know value of 4* 2 years,1 years ago, the have decreased but prices have also decreased for them. Over a year ago 4* for $30 was a decent price This year they have offered 2 4* for 30 and 3 4* for 30$ Remember when 5* shards 1 unit per crystal ratio? If u played this game as long as u said you said you would know. 5* have had so much value until 6* have been released. And slowly 5* are becoming more accessible and easier to get. You should know the games life and plan is to continually grow and progress vey slowly. If you played from the beginning you should know that when t6b and t5cc they will be sold for top value and or very hard competitive modes like aw. The only way to get more t5b than everyone else is either buying those very expensive deals for them and/or playing in high tiers of alliance war. From the 4th of july deal they “value” a full t5b for $300, $100 get + all bonus stuff 15,00 t5b 3100 units 5* crystal 2/3 t2alpha Then they release offer of same price $100 for 4,500 t5b 40 t4cc crystals is nothing. And thats all you get. They cut the price of getting vision from 15,000 units down to 5,000 units. You should know they sold 4* vision “only” being sold if purchased for $100 usa dollars to being able to be purchased with units for 4,000 units in 2017. But who would spend 4,000 units for a 4* og vision in 2018? When in 2018 theres 5* vision. You would think this offer was rip off if it was offered in 2018. But when 4* still had alot of value this was a gold deal. Alot of people “saved” units, instead of flat out buying 4* vision as a money only option. From time span of 6 months and 3 aw seasons, witch most people use this vision for his utility. You could wait another 6months and maybe kabam will release vision offer again for even cheaper, but you have to ask urself where will the economy of mcoc be? Once again you’re completely missing the point.
ContestOfNoobs wrote: » V1PER1987 wrote: » ContestOfNoobs wrote: » V1PER1987 wrote: » I don’t know why Kabam insists on releasing such absurd offers that are outrageously priced. I feel like whoever is running things never went to business school. Is it more profitable to have 500 people buy something for $300 or 50,000 people buy something for $50? Unless their goal really is to keep Vision exclusive and only in as few hands as possible. Then job well done. How long have you been playing? Have you been to business school? You do know mcoc has been very successful in making money in this game and this game has been up and running for a long time in its lifetime. Next thing you know t5cc will be very expensive/hard to get. People will also complain how much those are gonna be And next thing you know we will all be chasing t6basic. Top alliances in master/platinum are competing for t5b but i garantee u that t5b will be a free calender item in 2-3 years from now. Compare this oicture below Top is 4th of july offer, and its 1 of the best deals came out this year. Bottom is a picture of a deal that came out like almost 2months ago. And just wait for a 4th of july deal for 2019. I’ve been playing since the start so no need to lecture me on Kabam economics. I know they can charge what they want because the whales will buy anything to stay on top. You completely missed my point though, which still stands. If they were to drop the prices of their offers they would stand to be more profitable. This isn’t a company that manufactures actual goods so catering to 50,000 is just as easy/costly as 500. Your screenshot is also irrelevant. I’m not sure what your point is. The offers get “better”? If that’s your point, that opinion is relative to the person looking at the offers. For most people nothing in a mobile game is worth $100+. The point I was trying to express was if they lowered the prices on most of their offers, there would be more interested consumers. And not that it matters, but I am an accountant, so yes, I’ve learned my share of business. They do, u should know value of 4* 2 years,1 years ago, the have decreased but prices have also decreased for them. Over a year ago 4* for $30 was a decent price This year they have offered 2 4* for 30 and 3 4* for 30$ Remember when 5* shards 1 unit per crystal ratio? If u played this game as long as u said you said you would know. 5* have had so much value until 6* have been released. And slowly 5* are becoming more accessible and easier to get. You should know the games life and plan is to continually grow and progress vey slowly. If you played from the beginning you should know that when t6b and t5cc they will be sold for top value and or very hard competitive modes like aw. The only way to get more t5b than everyone else is either buying those very expensive deals for them and/or playing in high tiers of alliance war. From the 4th of july deal they “value” a full t5b for $300, $100 get + all bonus stuff 15,00 t5b 3100 units 5* crystal 2/3 t2alpha Then they release offer of same price $100 for 4,500 t5b 40 t4cc crystals is nothing. And thats all you get. They cut the price of getting vision from 15,000 units down to 5,000 units. You should know they sold 4* vision “only” being sold if purchased for $100 usa dollars to being able to be purchased with units for 4,000 units in 2017. But who would spend 4,000 units for a 4* og vision in 2018? When in 2018 theres 5* vision. You would think this offer was rip off if it was offered in 2018. But when 4* still had alot of value this was a gold deal. Alot of people “saved” units, instead of flat out buying 4* vision as a money only option. From time span of 6 months and 3 aw seasons, witch most people use this vision for his utility. You could wait another 6months and maybe kabam will release vision offer again for even cheaper, but you have to ask urself where will the economy of mcoc be?
V1PER1987 wrote: » ContestOfNoobs wrote: » V1PER1987 wrote: » I don’t know why Kabam insists on releasing such absurd offers that are outrageously priced. I feel like whoever is running things never went to business school. Is it more profitable to have 500 people buy something for $300 or 50,000 people buy something for $50? Unless their goal really is to keep Vision exclusive and only in as few hands as possible. Then job well done. How long have you been playing? Have you been to business school? You do know mcoc has been very successful in making money in this game and this game has been up and running for a long time in its lifetime. Next thing you know t5cc will be very expensive/hard to get. People will also complain how much those are gonna be And next thing you know we will all be chasing t6basic. Top alliances in master/platinum are competing for t5b but i garantee u that t5b will be a free calender item in 2-3 years from now. Compare this oicture below Top is 4th of july offer, and its 1 of the best deals came out this year. Bottom is a picture of a deal that came out like almost 2months ago. And just wait for a 4th of july deal for 2019. I’ve been playing since the start so no need to lecture me on Kabam economics. I know they can charge what they want because the whales will buy anything to stay on top. You completely missed my point though, which still stands. If they were to drop the prices of their offers they would stand to be more profitable. This isn’t a company that manufactures actual goods so catering to 50,000 is just as easy/costly as 500. Your screenshot is also irrelevant. I’m not sure what your point is. The offers get “better”? If that’s your point, that opinion is relative to the person looking at the offers. For most people nothing in a mobile game is worth $100+. The point I was trying to express was if they lowered the prices on most of their offers, there would be more interested consumers. And not that it matters, but I am an accountant, so yes, I’ve learned my share of business.
ContestOfNoobs wrote: » V1PER1987 wrote: » I don’t know why Kabam insists on releasing such absurd offers that are outrageously priced. I feel like whoever is running things never went to business school. Is it more profitable to have 500 people buy something for $300 or 50,000 people buy something for $50? Unless their goal really is to keep Vision exclusive and only in as few hands as possible. Then job well done. How long have you been playing? Have you been to business school? You do know mcoc has been very successful in making money in this game and this game has been up and running for a long time in its lifetime. Next thing you know t5cc will be very expensive/hard to get. People will also complain how much those are gonna be And next thing you know we will all be chasing t6basic. Top alliances in master/platinum are competing for t5b but i garantee u that t5b will be a free calender item in 2-3 years from now. Compare this oicture below Top is 4th of july offer, and its 1 of the best deals came out this year. Bottom is a picture of a deal that came out like almost 2months ago. And just wait for a 4th of july deal for 2019.
V1PER1987 wrote: » I don’t know why Kabam insists on releasing such absurd offers that are outrageously priced. I feel like whoever is running things never went to business school. Is it more profitable to have 500 people buy something for $300 or 50,000 people buy something for $50? Unless their goal really is to keep Vision exclusive and only in as few hands as possible. Then job well done.
GroundedWisdom wrote: » ContestOfNoobs wrote: » V1PER1987 wrote: » ContestOfNoobs wrote: » V1PER1987 wrote: » ContestOfNoobs wrote: » V1PER1987 wrote: » I don’t know why Kabam insists on releasing such absurd offers that are outrageously priced. I feel like whoever is running things never went to business school. Is it more profitable to have 500 people buy something for $300 or 50,000 people buy something for $50? Unless their goal really is to keep Vision exclusive and only in as few hands as possible. Then job well done. How long have you been playing? Have you been to business school? You do know mcoc has been very successful in making money in this game and this game has been up and running for a long time in its lifetime. Next thing you know t5cc will be very expensive/hard to get. People will also complain how much those are gonna be And next thing you know we will all be chasing t6basic. Top alliances in master/platinum are competing for t5b but i garantee u that t5b will be a free calender item in 2-3 years from now. Compare this oicture below Top is 4th of july offer, and its 1 of the best deals came out this year. Bottom is a picture of a deal that came out like almost 2months ago. And just wait for a 4th of july deal for 2019. I’ve been playing since the start so no need to lecture me on Kabam economics. I know they can charge what they want because the whales will buy anything to stay on top. You completely missed my point though, which still stands. If they were to drop the prices of their offers they would stand to be more profitable. This isn’t a company that manufactures actual goods so catering to 50,000 is just as easy/costly as 500. Your screenshot is also irrelevant. I’m not sure what your point is. The offers get “better”? If that’s your point, that opinion is relative to the person looking at the offers. For most people nothing in a mobile game is worth $100+. The point I was trying to express was if they lowered the prices on most of their offers, there would be more interested consumers. And not that it matters, but I am an accountant, so yes, I’ve learned my share of business. They do, u should know value of 4* 2 years,1 years ago, the have decreased but prices have also decreased for them. Over a year ago 4* for $30 was a decent price This year they have offered 2 4* for 30 and 3 4* for 30$ Remember when 5* shards 1 unit per crystal ratio? If u played this game as long as u said you said you would know. 5* have had so much value until 6* have been released. And slowly 5* are becoming more accessible and easier to get. You should know the games life and plan is to continually grow and progress vey slowly. If you played from the beginning you should know that when t6b and t5cc they will be sold for top value and or very hard competitive modes like aw. The only way to get more t5b than everyone else is either buying those very expensive deals for them and/or playing in high tiers of alliance war. From the 4th of july deal they “value” a full t5b for $300, $100 get + all bonus stuff 15,00 t5b 3100 units 5* crystal 2/3 t2alpha Then they release offer of same price $100 for 4,500 t5b 40 t4cc crystals is nothing. And thats all you get. They cut the price of getting vision from 15,000 units down to 5,000 units. You should know they sold 4* vision “only” being sold if purchased for $100 usa dollars to being able to be purchased with units for 4,000 units in 2017. But who would spend 4,000 units for a 4* og vision in 2018? When in 2018 theres 5* vision. You would think this offer was rip off if it was offered in 2018. But when 4* still had alot of value this was a gold deal. Alot of people “saved” units, instead of flat out buying 4* vision as a money only option. From time span of 6 months and 3 aw seasons, witch most people use this vision for his utility. You could wait another 6months and maybe kabam will release vision offer again for even cheaper, but you have to ask urself where will the economy of mcoc be? Once again you’re completely missing the point. Kabam will not devalue 5* and how rare a champion is, we are slowly moving onto 6* shard deals. But since u know alot about business, you should really apply to kabam and get ahold of people in kabam business about these deals, and give community something worth buying then, I am sure alot of people would want a reasonabke price for 5/6* nowadays, if u price them much cheaper, but as soon as u value said crystal/deal thats what people will go buy. 2years ago 1 odin get u a bonus 4* witch at the time was a really good deal... Last year $30 for 4* was a decent deal This year $30 for 4* is bad deal Next year $30 for 4* is a horrible deal That entirely depends on whose perspective it is. We can look at our own personal value of a 4*, based on where we are at in the game, and say it's bad because we have constant access to 4*s, focus on Ranking 5*s, and are working on a 6* Roster. The problem is, Offers are not just for one demographic. To someone earlier on in the game who is building a 4* Roster, it's more valuable. It's completely subjective. I think there's a tendency to generalize the value of something from our own perspective, but the actual value is not always congruent with that.
dkatryl wrote: » I must be missing something in the math here. If an odin gives 3100 units, and is $100, so 3 odin's is only 9300 units, and both deals cost 10k, it would take 3.22 odins. So why do i keep seeing people referencing only $200 vs $500 from the previous deal?
xNig wrote: » Stevie_Stars1 wrote: » xNig wrote: » Stevie_Stars1 wrote: » xNig wrote: » Stevie_Stars1 wrote: » Primmer79 wrote: » So... shouldn't we be happy? Yoi might be but im furious Yeah I’m furious too! 3 months back I bought a pair of shoes and today, when I went back to the store today, it was on 30% discount! To top it off, it will come with a pair of free shoe laces! Made me so mad!! Do you think I should complain to the store and demand that they refund the price difference? You bought a pair of $500 shoes then they went down to less than $200 in only a few months?!?!? I'd be pissed at that too. You are comparing $50 shoes to a $500 offer. When you bought the shoe at $500 you felt it was a fair deal. No one forced you to buy it. No one. Now it’s on discount, you’re complaining about the choice YOU made a few months back. Lol. Have you been using him for the past few months? If yes, then don’t complain. If no, then well.. sad to hear that but it was your choice to buy him when you had no use for him. I want you to seriously and I mean for just one second open that mind of yours and put yourself in the 'shoes' of the people who bought that deal. You have no clue of the circumstances that allowed them to buy it so remove any aggression you are feeling towards someone you only THINK is a quote unquote "whale" (which I am most definitely not) and consider how those people are feeling watching hundreds of dollars wash down the drain for something they were sold as this super exclusive deal. It really really sucks. I would have NO problem if the deal continued periodically. I wouldn't even mind that it includes all the other stuff the first deal didnt. I think, just my opinion and these chats have a TON of opinions, that the cost should have always been the same as the first time. People are responding on here that you DONT have to pay for the deal but you can grind and save units. Fine save units.. Save after you saw the last deal but I dont think that it should have had such a LARGE drop in price. It is a total slap to those who either did save units for or bought the last deal. I am not a whale so buying that deal was meant to help my s### roster at the time as I loved playing the game and having a dope Vision on my team was going to be sick and I knew it would raise some eyebrow. I'd deal with those raised eyebrows and the cost eventually. Now.... it was basically for nothing going forward. Money down the drain.... oh, and rank up material down the drain.... awakening gem down the drain. Hard earned items down the drain. That's why this sucks. That's true. The feeling will definitely suck. On the other hand, from what you've said, you bought that offer at that time as you knew it will help your roster and he would have made your team sick. So over the months you have already used him to clear content, facilitate war path clearing and build up your account. Where would your account be if you didn't purchase him at that price at that point of time? So now after using him for a few months and he helped you clear content and build your account, you're saying he's not worth the $500 you spent? Do you also think you should be refunded the price difference? If yes, are you willing to rewind all the progress you've made in your account since acquiring him? (Edit: You also didn't mention that you have R5ed him, which also means he is one of your main attackers in AW.)
dkatryl wrote: » Yes, 15000 units is 5 odins But 10k units isnt 2 odins, it's 3.2 odins. So my question is why do i keep seeing $500 vs $200 when it should be $500 vs $322? Or are they only talking about the first 5k, ignoring the 2nd one? I didnt bother with the 15000 unit deal, since it cost actual money, but i had over 10k units, so i got both recent deals, as i grind arenas and getting units isnt too hard (im already back over 1000)
XxOriginalxX wrote: » In my opinion, the whales got the 15,000 vision, the whales will again get a 10,000 unit double vision.