SS NERF vs Buffet and Masochism
BigDog6219
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I was lucky enough to pull a 5* SS, take him to R3 and used an awakening gem on him. I'm told that his abilities are "game breaking" and needed to be fixed. If he was game breaking then he was game breaking as last month's event boss correct? This to me is a double standard... your customers cannot have a champion perform the same way the champion performs for you? The argument that his ability was removing multiple buffs when the description states next buff is completely irrelevant since Masochism and Buffet both say the next buff, not buffs, will be removed yet all simultaneous buffs, ie Blade's parry stun and bleed, are removed...just like SS. Your customers deserve better! I've worked hard and long for my account and although I, and EVERYONE else, do like "free" stuff this is a situation where either players that pulled and used any resources on him should be given the opportunity to get the resources back if they choose or the ENTIRE player base should be compensated for fighting an event Boss with game breaking abilities. A 3rd option is to reverse your "fix" of SS and leave Masochism and Buffet "bugs" as is too...if not, these need to be fixed ASAP as their "bugs" have now been brought to your attention.
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How are buffet and masochism not bugged? They're worded the same way stagger is, singular buff/debuff, yet they remove multiple buffs/debuffs that trigger at the same time, which stagger can no longer do.
We literally had this conversation in another Thread. Which was responded to by a Mod. He was bugged. The Nodes are supposed to function like that. He was not. Quite simple, actually.
It is tough with the definitions of stagger vs. buffet and masochism though
I know we did, and I don't wanna draw this out as long as in the other thread, but they didn't actually confirm that masochism and buffet are supposed to work that way as far as I know. It just makes absolutely no sense to me why those nodes should work any differently than stagger.
Haven't tested it out yet myself, but I've seen people saying that even Hood's and Juggernaut's staggers were changed when they changed it on SS, despite saying the change was specific to SS. Again, haven't tested yet, so not entirely sure.
What I'm saying is he wasn't intended to function that way. Regardless of the wording, he was game-breaking. That's a priority. If Masochism and Buffet threatened the balance of the game, that would be a priority as well. It has nothing to do with what benefits us vs. them.
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/106068/hood-stagger-changed#latest
Examples from his Spotlight:
Corvus Glaive
The Chthon’s Cunning Nullify will strip away Corvus’s Cruelty and True Damage Buffs right at the beginning of the fight, significantly cutting his damage potential, and taking a chunk out of his health bar right at the beginning of the fight
And
Developer Note: The “Anti-Buff” Blessing. Symbiote Supreme always starts with this Blessing active, so he’ll remove whatever Buffs you have on you right at the start of the fight dealing damage.
Again, Buffs are CLEARLY stated.
That may be the case for others, but I've let that go and I never said it wasn't necessary. I truly am more concerned with the inconsistency right now with stagger on other champs and buffet/masochism. They literally said themselves that the change was specific to SS, but it affected other champs anyways and created this difference in the way stagger works compared to those nodes.
If stagger needed to be fixed because of the wording and how it was functioning than so be it, I completely understand... as long as they fix the other concepts with the exact same wording. This will not happen though because one is a disadvantage to them and the other is in their favor.
Then that would be a separate issue they'll probably have to address. I don't see the resolution being any kind of reversal. Not with the level of priority. Nor do I necessarily think that reversals are are common method of addressing issues. If it's affecting other Champs, that'll likely have to be resolved.
Is this meant to state that the fix was not a fix, but a nerf? Because this is completely unrelated to the stagger bug that they fixed.
I just don't like people getting screwed over and I believe in transparency and accountability. They made a champion and he's stronger than intended so they feel changes need to be made...I'd respect a statement like that but it needs to be acknowledged that resources, especially awakening gems, were used on this champion because of his abilities. There would be the same expectation if they reduced Stark Spidey's SP2 by 1/2, for example. Probably not the best example but still.
If something needs to be fixed because it's detrimental to the game itself, that's necessary. It also doesn't mean the Resources are wasted if they're used on a Champ that's fixed. Unless the only reason it was Ranked is for Abilities that shouldn't be in the game. In which case, there's not much to say about that. Somewhere along the lines, we would have to take a step back and realize if a Champ is capable of that much, perhaps something is off.
THATS IT PEOPLE BREAK OUT THE PANCAKES ITS TIME TO MAKE GROOT BLEED MAPLE SYRUP!
Signature Ability: Symbiomancy
The unique combination of Symbiote and mystic arts that power Symbiote Supreme have a disrupting effect on many abilities of the lesser beings inhabiting the Battlerealm.
• Every 12.51 seconds place a Stagger Passive effect on the Opponent, lasting 10 seconds. Stagger will immediately Nullify the next Buff triggered on the Opponent.
Here it says that stagger nullifies the next buff and only the next buff, not multiple buffs. I highly suggest that you properly read the reported fix and the champs abilities so you don't mix it up again.
He was only truly broken for about 5 hours after 21.0 update. Not the entire time.
Buffet and masoquism are supposed to work like they are currently.
All is confirmed by mods responses. None is bug right now