LeNoirFaineant wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » Kobster84 wrote: » I’m gonna be honest it seems horrible not worth the 5k extra shards at all your thoughts? I wouldn't pull that crystal, but that's fine. There are players that will, and for every single champ in that crystal there will be players perfectly happy with pulling them. Yes, even Cyclops. Just sit it out and wait for the next one if this one isn't doing it for you. I don't know that anyone who saved 15k 6* shards would be happy pulling Cyclops.
DNA3000 wrote: » Kobster84 wrote: » I’m gonna be honest it seems horrible not worth the 5k extra shards at all your thoughts? I wouldn't pull that crystal, but that's fine. There are players that will, and for every single champ in that crystal there will be players perfectly happy with pulling them. Yes, even Cyclops. Just sit it out and wait for the next one if this one isn't doing it for you.
Kobster84 wrote: » I’m gonna be honest it seems horrible not worth the 5k extra shards at all your thoughts?
Worknprogress wrote: » Mr_Platypus wrote: » My issue is how trash both versions of cyclops are, and yet they’ve now added both versions of cyclops. But don’t worry, everyone just sit nicely and don’t voice your complaints, in the next featured crystal they’ll add white magneto, that way you can get not 1, but 2 different magnetos, to go with your 2 versions of cyclops There's going to be good and bad champs in every single crystal in this game, it's just how it works. The only thing I agree with out of all this childish crying going on about redclops, is that there are a ton of equivalent not great champs they could have added as opposed to adding basically a copy of a bad one
Mr_Platypus wrote: » My issue is how trash both versions of cyclops are, and yet they’ve now added both versions of cyclops. But don’t worry, everyone just sit nicely and don’t voice your complaints, in the next featured crystal they’ll add white magneto, that way you can get not 1, but 2 different magnetos, to go with your 2 versions of cyclops
Werewrym wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » Kobster84 wrote: » I’m gonna be honest it seems horrible not worth the 5k extra shards at all your thoughts? I wouldn't pull that crystal, but that's fine. There are players that will, and for every single champ in that crystal there will be players perfectly happy with pulling them. Yes, even Cyclops. Just sit it out and wait for the next one if this one isn't doing it for you. I’m sorry but there is no player happy to pull a 6* Cyclops... That is just a fact.
DNA3000 wrote: » Werewrym wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » Kobster84 wrote: » I’m gonna be honest it seems horrible not worth the 5k extra shards at all your thoughts? I wouldn't pull that crystal, but that's fine. There are players that will, and for every single champ in that crystal there will be players perfectly happy with pulling them. Yes, even Cyclops. Just sit it out and wait for the next one if this one isn't doing it for you. I’m sorry but there is no player happy to pull a 6* Cyclops... That is just a fact. I'll bet anything you want there's at least one. Anything.
Werewrym wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » Werewrym wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » Kobster84 wrote: » I’m gonna be honest it seems horrible not worth the 5k extra shards at all your thoughts? I wouldn't pull that crystal, but that's fine. There are players that will, and for every single champ in that crystal there will be players perfectly happy with pulling them. Yes, even Cyclops. Just sit it out and wait for the next one if this one isn't doing it for you. I’m sorry but there is no player happy to pull a 6* Cyclops... That is just a fact. I'll bet anything you want there's at least one. Anything. Please find one for me... You won’t be able to because anyone popping a 6* crystal knows how useless he is.
Dexman1349 wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » Werewrym wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » Kobster84 wrote: » I’m gonna be honest it seems horrible not worth the 5k extra shards at all your thoughts? I wouldn't pull that crystal, but that's fine. There are players that will, and for every single champ in that crystal there will be players perfectly happy with pulling them. Yes, even Cyclops. Just sit it out and wait for the next one if this one isn't doing it for you. I’m sorry but there is no player happy to pull a 6* Cyclops... That is just a fact. I'll bet anything you want there's at least one. Anything. And those few players out there already have a Cyclops to go for. No need for that *VERY* limited niche of players to have 2 versions...
DNA3000 wrote: » Werewrym wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » Werewrym wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » Kobster84 wrote: » I’m gonna be honest it seems horrible not worth the 5k extra shards at all your thoughts? I wouldn't pull that crystal, but that's fine. There are players that will, and for every single champ in that crystal there will be players perfectly happy with pulling them. Yes, even Cyclops. Just sit it out and wait for the next one if this one isn't doing it for you. I’m sorry but there is no player happy to pull a 6* Cyclops... That is just a fact. I'll bet anything you want there's at least one. Anything. Please find one for me... You won’t be able to because anyone popping a 6* crystal knows how useless he is. Not for free.
Werewrym wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » Werewrym wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » Werewrym wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » Kobster84 wrote: » I’m gonna be honest it seems horrible not worth the 5k extra shards at all your thoughts? I wouldn't pull that crystal, but that's fine. There are players that will, and for every single champ in that crystal there will be players perfectly happy with pulling them. Yes, even Cyclops. Just sit it out and wait for the next one if this one isn't doing it for you. I’m sorry but there is no player happy to pull a 6* Cyclops... That is just a fact. I'll bet anything you want there's at least one. Anything. Please find one for me... You won’t be able to because anyone popping a 6* crystal knows how useless he is. Not for free. Exactly, the task is impossible, hence not worth doing for free. Also let me make a clarification on my statement. Anyone OPENING a 6* crystal is far enough in the game to know he’s worthless and no one wants him. There might perhaps exist a player not at the level of 6* champs who still finds a use for Cyclops. This is also the case for many other champs in the 6* pool so don’t feel like I’m singling out Cyclops. eg. IF, DPX, HB. The point is that it is quite naive to think anyone at the level of 6* champs would want a Cyclops.
DNA3000 wrote: » Werewrym wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » Werewrym wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » Werewrym wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » Kobster84 wrote: » I’m gonna be honest it seems horrible not worth the 5k extra shards at all your thoughts? I wouldn't pull that crystal, but that's fine. There are players that will, and for every single champ in that crystal there will be players perfectly happy with pulling them. Yes, even Cyclops. Just sit it out and wait for the next one if this one isn't doing it for you. I’m sorry but there is no player happy to pull a 6* Cyclops... That is just a fact. I'll bet anything you want there's at least one. Anything. Please find one for me... You won’t be able to because anyone popping a 6* crystal knows how useless he is. Not for free. Exactly, the task is impossible, hence not worth doing for free. Also let me make a clarification on my statement. Anyone OPENING a 6* crystal is far enough in the game to know he’s worthless and no one wants him. There might perhaps exist a player not at the level of 6* champs who still finds a use for Cyclops. This is also the case for many other champs in the 6* pool so don’t feel like I’m singling out Cyclops. eg. IF, DPX, HB. The point is that it is quite naive to think anyone at the level of 6* champs would want a Cyclops. This is a failure of imagination, which was my original point. It doesn't matter why someone might want 6* Cyclops: you don't get to decide which reasons are legitimate. The fact is, this is not just a bet I won't lose, this is a bet that I literally cannot lose. Which would be obvious to anyone who thought about this intelligently for more than a few seconds.
DNA3000 wrote: » Dexman1349 wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » Werewrym wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » Kobster84 wrote: » I’m gonna be honest it seems horrible not worth the 5k extra shards at all your thoughts? I wouldn't pull that crystal, but that's fine. There are players that will, and for every single champ in that crystal there will be players perfectly happy with pulling them. Yes, even Cyclops. Just sit it out and wait for the next one if this one isn't doing it for you. I’m sorry but there is no player happy to pull a 6* Cyclops... That is just a fact. I'll bet anything you want there's at least one. Anything. And those few players out there already have a Cyclops to go for. No need for that *VERY* limited niche of players to have 2 versions... What's the threshold number of players such that they become ignorable?
Werewrym wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » Werewrym wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » Werewrym wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » Werewrym wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » Kobster84 wrote: » I’m gonna be honest it seems horrible not worth the 5k extra shards at all your thoughts? I wouldn't pull that crystal, but that's fine. There are players that will, and for every single champ in that crystal there will be players perfectly happy with pulling them. Yes, even Cyclops. Just sit it out and wait for the next one if this one isn't doing it for you. I’m sorry but there is no player happy to pull a 6* Cyclops... That is just a fact. I'll bet anything you want there's at least one. Anything. Please find one for me... You won’t be able to because anyone popping a 6* crystal knows how useless he is. Not for free. Exactly, the task is impossible, hence not worth doing for free. Also let me make a clarification on my statement. Anyone OPENING a 6* crystal is far enough in the game to know he’s worthless and no one wants him. There might perhaps exist a player not at the level of 6* champs who still finds a use for Cyclops. This is also the case for many other champs in the 6* pool so don’t feel like I’m singling out Cyclops. eg. IF, DPX, HB. The point is that it is quite naive to think anyone at the level of 6* champs would want a Cyclops. This is a failure of imagination, which was my original point. It doesn't matter why someone might want 6* Cyclops: you don't get to decide which reasons are legitimate. The fact is, this is not just a bet I won't lose, this is a bet that I literally cannot lose. Which would be obvious to anyone who thought about this intelligently for more than a few seconds. I’m sorry but you still lose the bet because there isn’t anyone who wants a Cyclops. And thank you for accusing my intelligence.
Dexman1349 wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » Dexman1349 wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » Werewrym wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » Kobster84 wrote: » I’m gonna be honest it seems horrible not worth the 5k extra shards at all your thoughts? I wouldn't pull that crystal, but that's fine. There are players that will, and for every single champ in that crystal there will be players perfectly happy with pulling them. Yes, even Cyclops. Just sit it out and wait for the next one if this one isn't doing it for you. I’m sorry but there is no player happy to pull a 6* Cyclops... That is just a fact. I'll bet anything you want there's at least one. Anything. And those few players out there already have a Cyclops to go for. No need for that *VERY* limited niche of players to have 2 versions... What's the threshold number of players such that they become ignorable? You're focusing on the wrong part of my counter-argument. I don't disagree that players might exist who want Cyclops, my point is that they already have one in the crystal. I would make this same point if Kabam added both Magneto's or Miss Marvel/Cap Marvel. The better version of all 3 "pairs" of these low-tier champs are already in the crystal. Adding their lesser skilled doppelgangers just sucks.
DNA3000 wrote: » Dexman1349 wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » Dexman1349 wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » Werewrym wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » Kobster84 wrote: » I’m gonna be honest it seems horrible not worth the 5k extra shards at all your thoughts? I wouldn't pull that crystal, but that's fine. There are players that will, and for every single champ in that crystal there will be players perfectly happy with pulling them. Yes, even Cyclops. Just sit it out and wait for the next one if this one isn't doing it for you. I’m sorry but there is no player happy to pull a 6* Cyclops... That is just a fact. I'll bet anything you want there's at least one. Anything. And those few players out there already have a Cyclops to go for. No need for that *VERY* limited niche of players to have 2 versions... What's the threshold number of players such that they become ignorable? You're focusing on the wrong part of my counter-argument. I don't disagree that players might exist who want Cyclops, my point is that they already have one in the crystal. I would make this same point if Kabam added both Magneto's or Miss Marvel/Cap Marvel. The better version of all 3 "pairs" of these low-tier champs are already in the crystal. Adding their lesser skilled doppelgangers just sucks. I don't think I'm focusing on the "wrong" part of your counter-argument, primarily because the best response I have to this clarification is to repeat the previous statement. What's the minimum threshold of players that want *this particular* Cyclops such that they can be ignored, or simply told to settle for the other one? There's an unstated bias that permeates most discussions in this area across all games I've played. And that bias is the presumption that basically, the min/max approach to the game is the only legitimate one. If someone wants the Blue Cyclops, who cares just give them the red one, because we decide that's good enough, in fact that's the "better" one. In a game that is extremely heavily focused on collecting champions, that's not a reasonable assumption. There's over a million players of the game. Only a tiny fraction of them could even *describe* the ability difference between them accurately. More people collect things for emotional reasons than gameplay reasons. And those people outnumber those of us that look at the gameplay first by huge margins: I'd estimate at least ten to one if not more. We don't tend to notice this enormous discrepancy, because they are largely invisible. You won't find them posting on the forums much, because why would they? They are treated as less than second class citizens. I remember a while back someone posting that Hulkbuster was his favorite champ. Exactly zero people didn't at least slightly jab at that choice, if not completely **** on it. What I've learned over many years playing online games is that very often when the developers do something that it seems no one likes, there's a lot of people who like it, they just don't voice that opinion. Anyone who's been a part of a statistically random sampled focus group for an online game has seen this effect first hand. Random samples of players look literally nothing like what you'd expect to see if all you knew was discussions on public forums.
DNA3000 wrote: » Werewrym wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » Werewrym wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » Werewrym wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » Werewrym wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » Kobster84 wrote: » I’m gonna be honest it seems horrible not worth the 5k extra shards at all your thoughts? I wouldn't pull that crystal, but that's fine. There are players that will, and for every single champ in that crystal there will be players perfectly happy with pulling them. Yes, even Cyclops. Just sit it out and wait for the next one if this one isn't doing it for you. I’m sorry but there is no player happy to pull a 6* Cyclops... That is just a fact. I'll bet anything you want there's at least one. Anything. Please find one for me... You won’t be able to because anyone popping a 6* crystal knows how useless he is. Not for free. Exactly, the task is impossible, hence not worth doing for free. Also let me make a clarification on my statement. Anyone OPENING a 6* crystal is far enough in the game to know he’s worthless and no one wants him. There might perhaps exist a player not at the level of 6* champs who still finds a use for Cyclops. This is also the case for many other champs in the 6* pool so don’t feel like I’m singling out Cyclops. eg. IF, DPX, HB. The point is that it is quite naive to think anyone at the level of 6* champs would want a Cyclops. This is a failure of imagination, which was my original point. It doesn't matter why someone might want 6* Cyclops: you don't get to decide which reasons are legitimate. The fact is, this is not just a bet I won't lose, this is a bet that I literally cannot lose. Which would be obvious to anyone who thought about this intelligently for more than a few seconds. I’m sorry but you still lose the bet because there isn’t anyone who wants a Cyclops. And thank you for accusing my intelligence. I do. You lose. And I do not believe I ever accused you of intelligence.
Dexman1349 wrote: » Werewrym wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » Werewrym wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » Werewrym wrote: » DNA3000 wrote: » Kobster84 wrote: » I’m gonna be honest it seems horrible not worth the 5k extra shards at all your thoughts? I wouldn't pull that crystal, but that's fine. There are players that will, and for every single champ in that crystal there will be players perfectly happy with pulling them. Yes, even Cyclops. Just sit it out and wait for the next one if this one isn't doing it for you. I’m sorry but there is no player happy to pull a 6* Cyclops... That is just a fact. I'll bet anything you want there's at least one. Anything. Please find one for me... You won’t be able to because anyone popping a 6* crystal knows how useless he is. Not for free. Exactly, the task is impossible, hence not worth doing for free. Also let me make a clarification on my statement. Anyone OPENING a 6* crystal is far enough in the game to know he’s worthless and no one wants him. There might perhaps exist a player not at the level of 6* champs who still finds a use for Cyclops. This is also the case for many other champs in the 6* pool so don’t feel like I’m singling out Cyclops. eg. IF, DPX, HB. The point is that it is quite naive to think anyone at the level of 6* champs would want a Cyclops. To be a bit of a devil's advocate, perhaps you're looking on the wrong spectrum of players getting 6* champs. Instead of those who are just getting into them, what about the truly end-game spending whales? Crystal Opening Whale may want Cyclops simply to "complete the set" and not necessarily for any specific content counter.