What basic champions need buffs the most?

Mr_Otter

To most accurately compile a list of champions who need buffs the msot I'll do my best to create a discussion for each of them containing Buff ideas starting with the most picked 3
(Please note that aside from DDn I will be considering clones like Magneto and Iron fist as 2 in 1 discussion as thier dualities make them unique)

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Stefff

Daredevil Netflix

Netflix DD is just so mediocre compared to classic DD that he needs a buff.

Scottryan

Luke Cage

This is rigged. I cant vote for more than 1

A_Noob_Is1

all of the above

Mr_Otter

@Scottryan
@A_Noob_Is1

You both just missed the point by a hair

I realize they ALL need buffs however usually when I try to make a post people always hammer home "SOME ONE NEEDS IT MORE" so for now I'm trying to go from the bottom up

Sungj

She-Hulk

I think she-hulk is an unnoticed horrible champion. Luke cage gets a bad rep but she hulk is basically luke cage without the physical resistance. She has nothing for offense and even less than that for defense definitely top 3 if not the worst champion in game. All the other champs have some sort of small use in game iron patriot can regen, hulkbuster and colossus on thorns, netflix dd and spidergwen have decent damage now and stun and luke cage has bleed immunity and tank for defense nodes. Sure she hulk is poison immune but there are a lot more poison immune champs than bleed immune champs in game so she still has no use, feel bad for whoever pulls her as a 5 star.

Mr_Otter

Sungj wrote: »

I think she-hulk is an unnoticed horrible champion. Luke cage gets a bad rep but she hulk is basically luke cage without the physical resistance. She has nothing for offense and even less than that for defense definitely top 3 if not the worst champion in game. All the other champs have some sort of small use in game iron patriot can regen, hulkbuster and colossus on thorns, netflix dd and spidergwen have decent damage now and stun and luke cage has bleed immunity and tank for defense nodes. Sure she hulk is poison immune but there are a lot more poison immune champs than bleed immune champs in game so she still has no use, feel bad for whoever pulls her as a 5 star.

Wow! Did you just say HB was good on thorns?! His high armor makes him INSANELY easy with Bleed as you let bleed do like ALL the damage and thorns does jack-Squat!

But I can agree with the rest as even LC can kinda take a hit even if the ones he dishes back out couldn't swat a fly... and SG for ALL her hate does have okay damage output…

Shulkie WILL be a challenge however… but as she's acty someone I've intentionally avoided doing a Buff discussion in for my entire time on the forums so if she's top 3 I'll do hers first

Captain_Maim

Magneto

Of all the Champs listed there, only Magneto is supposed to be among the elite mastermind villains. He sucks in this game, so the disparity between what he should be and what he is.... Wow. Unacceptable.
Luke cage is the worst one the list, but let's be real, he shouldn't be much better. A little better yes, but it's not way off. Magneto however is way off the mark.

ShinyMew2

Hulk Buster

Where's Carnage in this poll?

Mr_Otter

ShinyMew2 wrote: »

Where's Carnage in this poll?

Basic champion was supposed to mean those who you can pop from a 4* RIGHT THIS MOMENT and consider quitting over

Carnage however is too new for me to evaluate properly

Atomic_Wolf

Magneto

Magneto needs help for sure. All they need to do is roll him back to pre 12.0 where his special 1 had a chance to stack 2 bleeds and make his magnetism not expire. .

Logan_Kinser1738

Daredevil Netflix

I think people forget that some champs are just meant to be bad, we can't just have everyone in the game be on the same level as star lord or voodoo we need balance which is why I think many of these champs should stay the same for a while. The only champ I would actually like to see a buff on here is daredevil Netflix.

TheDarkseid

Magneto

Magneto is a god tier champ in the comics unlike Luke cage. Not saying LC doesn't need a buff but magneto should be top of the list!

Mr_Otter

Logan_Kinser1738 wrote: »

I think people forget that some champs are just meant to be bad, we can't just have everyone in the game be on the same level as star lord or voodoo we need balance which is why I think many of these champs should stay the same for a while. The only champ I would actually like to see a buff on here is daredevil Netflix.

You DO have to realize that many champions are so bad they are downright UNUSABLE... many champions don't even have the tiniest of niche to fill

Appie

Iron Patriot

antman he need a revamp terrible animations low damage no utility.

ScorpionsKrypt

Iron Man

Iron Man is a really iconic character. Why is he a trash champion?

Yankeespank

Take IF off the list an add an all of the above selection please

Mr_Otter

Yankeespank wrote: »

Take IF off the list an add an all of the above selection please

Please note I'm 1 person trying to create discussions of 3 champions at a time… narrowing down what champs do and do not need buffs the msot as voted by the community

4fun

Hulk Buster

HB all the way I don't bother keeping him I see I got him I sell him. Where is carnage he needs to be buffed!

Saiyan

Luke Cage

The sad thing is if they removed his "One per fight use" in his sig you'd see him all over AW defense. Imagine him on the Bleed nodes getting his sig a few times in the fight and not using a bleed immune champ, that's 100% death.

Magrailothos

She-Hulk

Saiyan wrote: »

The sad thing is if they removed his "One per fight use" in his sig you'd see him all over AW defense. Imagine him on the Bleed nodes getting his sig a few times in the fight and not using a bleed immune champ, that's 100% death.

A reasonable change would be a description like Iceman has for his armour; or Nebula for her regeneration - when hit for over 5% of his health, Luke has a 5-20% chance to shrug off the additional damage, and become invulnerable for 2s. Then have a cool down like Spidey S-E's AI, so it doesn't become overpowering. Job done.

Alternately, remove the once per fight limit, and give a chance to spark Invulnerable with specials.

CapWW2

Luke Cage

Kabam designs amazing champs now meanwhile classics like ironman, SiM and HB roast is misery!

creeper30000

She-Hulk

how bout thor

CapWW2

Luke Cage

Thor is a beast

AURELIUS

All needs a nice buff if they actually buff Luke Cage maybe I'd be happy with a Max duped Luke cage 4*.

Alpha07

Hulk Buster

Hulkbuster, just because i have him as a 5*.

in all seriousness though, i'd say Hulkbuster, War Machine and Colossus. only good thing about them is their armor that is only useful in defense. and maybe their SP3. their damage output is low af.

at least Luke Cage, She Hulk have stun on their favor (but they're still mediocre). also Netflix DD has a OK Special damage with the stuns. he's not that bad.
Iron Man has an arc overload, and can save you a lot of times. i use my Superior one in war frequently.
Iron Fist has a high damage output, i don't even know why is he even here..
Magneto is mediocre but nowhere as bad as the other three mentioned before.

Mr_Otter

Alpha07 wrote: »

Hulkbuster, just because i have him as a 5*.

in all seriousness though, i'd say Hulkbuster, War Machine and Colossus. only good thing about them is their armor that is only useful in defense. and maybe their SP3. their damage output is low af.

at least Luke Cage, She Hulk have stun on their favor (but they're still mediocre). also Netflix DD has a OK Special damage with the stuns. he's not that bad.
Iron Man has an arc overload, and can save you a lot of times. i use my Superior one in war frequently.
Iron Fist has a high damage output, i don't even know why is he even here..
Magneto is mediocre but nowhere as bad as the other three mentioned before.

TBH I haven't touched IF since I forgot about him when I had champions that didn't turn WillPower into the secret to immortality

Still have that mentality in my head

Cuteshelf

Logan_Kinser1738 wrote: »

I think people forget that some champs are just meant to be bad, we can't just have everyone in the game be on the same level as star lord or voodoo we need balance which is why I think many of these champs should stay the same for a while. The only champ I would actually like to see a buff on here is daredevil Netflix.

I've said this before, but I'll say it again.

No champ should be bad. All champs should have a use in the game (other than arena cannon fodder). Whether it's attack, defense or some situational mechanic or ability to make them excel at certain things.
Some champs will be better at some things, and other champs would be better at other things but all should be usable in multiple areas of the game.

I think a champions skill set should be balanced across these areas. For example, if a champ does huge damage, they should be fragile or have no/not much utility, or if a champ is hugely tanky they should do less damage or have a weakness to make up for it.

Making champions with zero use, is poor game design and creates frustration when those champs get pulled after people worked hard to get the required materials to purchase them.

Why waste effort designing a champ to be bottom of the pile?
It makes zero sense.

Mr_Otter

Cuteshelf wrote: »

Logan_Kinser1738 wrote: »

I think people forget that some champs are just meant to be bad, we can't just have everyone in the game be on the same level as star lord or voodoo we need balance which is why I think many of these champs should stay the same for a while. The only champ I would actually like to see a buff on here is daredevil Netflix.

I've said this before, but I'll say it again.

No champ should be bad. All champs should have a use in the game (other than arena cannon fodder). Whether it's attack, defense or some situational mechanic or ability to make them excel at certain things.
Some champs will be better at some things, and other champs would be better at other things but all should be usable in multiple areas of the game.

I think a champions skill set should be balanced across these areas. For example, if a champ does huge damage, they should be fragile or have no/not much utility, or if a champ is hugely tanky they should do less damage or have a weakness to make up for it.

Making champions with zero use, is poor game design and creates frustration when those champs get pulled after people worked hard to get the required materials to purchase them.

Why waste effort designing a champ to be bottom of the pile?
It makes zero sense.

Because she-hulk has to have almost no abilities to make room for DocOc LOL

Cuteshelf

Mr_Otter wrote: »

Cuteshelf wrote: »

Logan_Kinser1738 wrote: »

I think people forget that some champs are just meant to be bad, we can't just have everyone in the game be on the same level as star lord or voodoo we need balance which is why I think many of these champs should stay the same for a while. The only champ I would actually like to see a buff on here is daredevil Netflix.

I've said this before, but I'll say it again.

No champ should be bad. All champs should have a use in the game (other than arena cannon fodder). Whether it's attack, defense or some situational mechanic or ability to make them excel at certain things.
Some champs will be better at some things, and other champs would be better at other things but all should be usable in multiple areas of the game.

I think a champions skill set should be balanced across these areas. For example, if a champ does huge damage, they should be fragile or have no/not much utility, or if a champ is hugely tanky they should do less damage or have a weakness to make up for it.

Making champions with zero use, is poor game design and creates frustration when those champs get pulled after people worked hard to get the required materials to purchase them.

Why waste effort designing a champ to be bottom of the pile?
It makes zero sense.

Because she-hulk has to have almost no abilities to make room for DocOc LOL

I don't have a 4* she hulk, but I quite like using my 3*.
I'm not sure why she keeps popping up in these threads.
She's certainly not OP but she hits pretty hard, stuns and is poison immune.

I also like her heavy animation, because she leans back so far it's easy to land without getting hit.

One of her specials has a nice roll at the end to get her out of the way, making it harder to dive her if it's evaded.

As I said, I don't have her in 4*, so my experience is limited, but there'd be heaps of champions I'd put above her in needs of buffing.