**WINTER OF WOE - BONUS OBJECTIVE POINT**
As previously announced, the team will be distributing an additional point toward milestones to anyone who completed the Absorbing Man fight in the first step of the Winter of Woe.
This point will be distributed at a later time as it requires the team to pull and analyze data.
The timeline has not been set, but work has started.
As previously announced, the team will be distributing an additional point toward milestones to anyone who completed the Absorbing Man fight in the first step of the Winter of Woe.
This point will be distributed at a later time as it requires the team to pull and analyze data.
The timeline has not been set, but work has started.
There is currently an issue where some Alliances are are unable to find a match in Alliance Wars, or are receiving Byes without getting the benefits of the Win. We will be adjusting the Season Points of the Alliances that are affected within the coming weeks, and will be working to compensate them for their missed Per War rewards as well.
Additionally, we are working to address an issue where new Members of an Alliance are unable to place Defenders for the next War after joining. We are working to address this, but it will require a future update.
Additionally, we are working to address an issue where new Members of an Alliance are unable to place Defenders for the next War after joining. We are working to address this, but it will require a future update.
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That's 7 of my allies last 9 wars....yet there are people in Master that aren't even 20 million rating and haven't faced anybody tough. One of the "top" groups has been getting spreads around the +10 mark every war which is obviously very easy to track whereas my group has been getting the complete opposite and almost every war has been a -10/+50-60.....
If prestige is a major factor in matching, then lower strength alliances can work their way to the top of the leader boards and never play actual top tier allys.
For example: Alliance A has 10000 prestige and alliance B has 5000 prestige. Everyone would assume that alliance A has a much better chance of winning a war against alliance B.
But because the system would never match the 2 together, alliance A continues to fight against other 10000 prestige alliances while alliance B would continue to fight against 5000 prestige alliances.
If alliance A wins all their matches and alliance B wins all their matches, then they end up with the same amount of points at the end of the season.
See the problem? Alliance B now qualifies for the same rewards as alliance A even though alliance B could probably never win a single war against any of the opponents alliance A had to face. They did not have to fight the same competition all season long. This is exactly what happened in the early iterations of AW. You had alliances full of 3* champs in tier 1 because the mm system never matched them against hard allys.
It’s also about having deep rosters made up of 5 x 5* R3/4/5 defenders
Plus
3 x 5* R4 or higher attackers minimum
Plus enough champs to manage AQ say Map 5 x 5 days during war season
If Kabam wants to keep war rating matches to factor in prestige, the points multiplier needs to quantify that handicap.
The best analogy I can think of here is it is like pro sports teams are playing pro sports teams and college sports teams are playing college sports teams...... but the leaderboard is merged and all matches have the same value. Do we really want a whole bunch of lower alliances on the masters through p3 leaderboard simply bc their strength of schedule is incredibly lower than the higher alliances?
If Kabam wants to use prestige as part/all of the matchmaking equation, then the multiplier (points earned) needs to take into account this handicap being provided.
Seeing things from their side, it has a lot to do with the experience of the user. Facing an insurmountable war isn't fun. It's not fun for the summoners at a 400 war rating and not fun at 3200 war rating. They are trying to make it a pleasant experience However, playing wars of your level should also be awarded points at your level.
Above alliances are not master caliber but due to your new algorithm somehow wound up being in that class.
Seriously that's about a 5500 prestige alliance in Gold 1.
Your new match making algorithm has undermined the integrity of the entire rankings during seasons.
1. Have you seen the matchups for those alliances in masters? Have you seen each war this year?
2. What makes them not masters caliber exactly? Their overall alliance rating?
3. Why cant a 11mil alliance be in Gold 1?
Just a quick couple of questions-
1. Have you seen the matchups for those alliances in masters? Have you seen each war this year?
Nope.
2. What makes them not masters caliber exactly? Their overall alliance rating?
Lack of defense to get the deaths needed to win at masters level.
3. Why cant a 11mil alliance be in Gold 1?
I understand that you're playing devils advocate. Do I have any black and white information provable in court as to their matchups? no. Kabam does not make the war information public. The only publicly available information is that some summoners profiles have less than 4 r5 5*s in masters.
Lets just say you were used to facing r3 5* defenders at your level and all of the sudden you were surrounded or being crushed in the standings with many alliances with r1 5*s, 4* 3/30 defenders. Something is awry. I could even accept 1 standout amazing alliance doing exceptionally well, but almost half of the alliances in master just simply don't belong there. they dont have the caliber rosters to defend vs perennial master alliances if they were matching them.
I state this as an informed participant in high level alliance wars. Kabam won't provide actual data or matchups to prove any of this. Other folks have chimed in from their perspectives in p2 p3 and g1. What we are seeing is a lot of underwhelming alliances in brackets they seem to be over their heads in.
1. How can one see another alliances war
2. Overall alliance rating is a good gauge at depth of roster. ISO8A another master alliance has over 38m rating. I bet most if not all of their defenders are R5. The 18m master alliance probably only has a small handful of R5 on defense. Any other large master alliance is going to get max attack bonus against a defense like that.
3. Surely you can't believe this. I've been in Gold 1 for a long time and I've never come across a defense full of R4 and R5 4*.
Kabam has been promoting breath and depth of roster for a long time and these alliances don't have that for their war tiers. I can understand if some alliances inflate their war rating during offseason because they face a lot of tanking or shell alliances. But to be in this position this late in the war season means they are winning during the season. How are they winning, they get matched against alliances with similar prestige and not similar war rating.
You cant see who they played so you don't know their win/loss record. You are assuming because you personally haven't seen these types of alliances in these positions it means something is going on. If they are winning their matchups and earn their war rating, how is it manipulation?
You are basing your accusations on overall alliance rating and what you can see in their profiles.
Again, everyone has 4 hrs to enlist and then matchmaking starts. Its all done behind the scenes. When matches are made and wars are won fair and square, what does overall alliance rating matter?
I'm not trying to play devils advocate just trying to understand your angle.
Just a quick couple of questions-
1. Have you seen the matchups for those alliances in masters? Have you seen each war this year?
2. What makes them not masters caliber exactly? Their overall alliance rating?
3. Why cant a 11mil alliance be in Gold 1?
1. Pretty much, I don't want to give names but I've noticed one of the 'top' groups from the last 2 seasons has been on quite a roll and has only lost once over the last few months. Went from 2700/2800 - 3200+ at a +10 rating per war win at a time. It's really easy to just see that before war a certain group has x rating and then after their "tough fought win" giving tier 1 points for running through a low prestige group they have x + 10 rating.
2. Roster differences are part of it and the other bigger issue is the fact that they've never played anybody in master...not sure how that's hard to understand. How can you be getting top rewards in a game mode where you're being recognized as top 20 however you've never actually played against the top 20 or even top 30-40 for that matter.
3. I'm more concerned with the top and seeing groups in Masters 2 seasons in a row that just hit 20 million rating is very hard to swallow seeing as I've fought hard to get Masters myself in the past. This season in particular has been tougher than most as we've faced 7 top 10 REAL Masters group out of our first 9 wars. If these groups had to face the same caliber of opponents that my group has had to face so far they'd quit the game.....
Are they winning wars yes but they are not fighting against random alliances at the same war rating. Instead it seems like Kabam's algorithm looks at prestige first and then war rating. Hence a 5500 prestige 2000 war rating alliance will rarely be matched up against a 8000 prestige 2000 war rating alliance.
2. Roster differences are part of it and the other bigger issue is the fact that they've never played anybody in master...not sure how that's hard to understand. How can you be getting top rewards in a game mode where you're being recognized as top 20 however you've never actually played against the top 20 or even top 30-40 for that matter.
3. I'm more concerned with the top and seeing groups in Masters 2 seasons in a row that just hit 20 million rating is very hard to swallow seeing as I've fought hard to get Masters myself in the past. This season in particular has been tougher than most as we've faced 7 top 10 REAL Masters group out of our first 9 wars. If these groups had to face the same caliber of opponents that my group has had to face so far they'd quit the game.....
That all makes sense. I haven't ever seen the matchups like you said you have which is fine. I understand how matchups were manipulated last season but couldn't/can't see how it works this season. My alliance has been in plat 3 mostly so we see a range of alliance ratings.
Maybe they are more skilled than you.