Grrr... Arenas

Okay, I don't know why, but all of the methods I've tried for arenas don't work for me. And trust me, I've tried them all. About 100,000 points is the most I can get before I start running into teams that are 3x my PI, and some I can handle and others just kick my butt. I need a foolproof, easy-to-understand method to get to the infinite streak. Don't give me any of this rank and level stuff. If I can't find that information from the arena screen, I don't want to know about it. I don't want to have to guess "Is this champion a level 5 or a level 20 or is s/he a rank 2 or a rank 4?"

Normally, I start at the top for points and then work my way down. But once I get to round 8, I start running into champs that I can't beat. Sometimes I'm lucky and get to the streak, but I lose it after about five rounds. I've tried everything, and my frustration at having to take on teams that are monsters compared mine is getting annoying. Or champs that are 20x my speed--especially Juggernaut.

No one will truly be able to help me, I'm sure. You'll just direct me to a video that will provide me no helpful information, or you'll talk about doing the arena in such a complicated way that I'll never figure it out. But, I thought I'd at least ask.

Thank you for your time.

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  • CrispyCrispy Member Posts: 85
    What arena bracket are you in? How many champs in what tier are available to you?
    This information will be important to answer your question sir or ma’am.🙂
  • CrispyCrispy Member Posts: 85
    Personally, I would check trucos, or one of the many YouTube videos on the subject, just make sure it’s more recent . The formula hasn’t changed much, if I’m not mistaken.
  • WildHunt1WildHunt1 Member Posts: 2
    edited July 2019
    I'm a veteran. Been playing about two years or so. I have a lot of 4-stars, but only 9 are at rank 4/40. I have mostly 3-stars that are maxed, but they're kinda worthless. And considering I only get to the infinite streak maybe 1 time out of 40 tries, starting with my top champs is my best bet at getting points fast. As for Trucos, I tried their method. I didn't even get to streak 6.
  • JohnHSJohnHS Member Posts: 509 ★★★
    For me (I've been playing 7 months, have 20 or so 4*s, 2 at 5/50), I go to my 3*s, grab some random ones from the middle, and get to a streak of 9. I think grab my very bottom 3*s, who I haven't ranked up, to get to a streak of 13. These are the hardest fights, but they're usually pretty doable. 500 PI vs 500-800. I'll sometimes lose one or two fights, but can keep the streak (there'll often be two weak champs and one strong one). Once i get streak of 13, I use only my ranked up 4*s. For this you've got to figure out what's the lowest R3 champ. Go to that champ, and throw him and those above him into arena until you get to 20. Wait for refreshes if you don't have enough (I usually throw in a couple champs who are just below my lowest R3). Make sure at least two of them are R3. Once you get to 20, only do your maxed out 3*s (or almost maxed out 3*s), and R2+ 4*s. (Figure out your lowest R2 and do that an everything above).

    Using this method I've pulled every champ I went for in the 4* Basic Arena since I figured it out.
    Other tip: Try to get all 4*s to R2 and max out the 3*s you can. Any ISO you don't need for bigger priority rank ups dump into some good 3*s. This really helps. It'll repay you in Prem/3 & 4* shard crystals ISO later, as well as lots of gold and units.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,697 Guardian
    WildHunt1 said:

    Okay, I don't know why, but all of the methods I've tried for arenas don't work for me. And trust me, I've tried them all. About 100,000 points is the most I can get before I start running into teams that are 3x my PI, and some I can handle and others just kick my butt. I need a foolproof, easy-to-understand method to get to the infinite streak. Don't give me any of this rank and level stuff. If I can't find that information from the arena screen, I don't want to know about it. I don't want to have to guess "Is this champion a level 5 or a level 20 or is s/he a rank 2 or a rank 4?"

    Then to be blunt, you haven't tried them all, and I don't think any method will help you. Every infinite streak method makes some assumptions about what you have in your roster (because a strategy won't work if you don't have the champions it calls for) and different rosters require different strategies, all of which involve having at least some situational awareness about the champs you're bringing into the fight. In fact, I've changed strategies many times as my roster has evolved and as the arenas themselves have changed.

    Most of the infinite streak strategies are extremely simple in overall terms, although that presumes the player considers knowing what they are bringing into the arena "simple." I find there's two fundamental principles that form the basis for most infinite streak strategies. The first one is that the game will make your match up increasingly more difficult up to a certain point (streak counter), then that difficulty will drop for a while, and then level off. Precisely when this happens is the subject of some debate, but the peak occurs somewhere around streak counter 9 through 12, and levels off in the range of 15-20, depending on the arena.

    While you're in the ramp up stage you generally want to be using your weaker champs. Because the fight is going to be easy anyway, you might as well save your stronger champs for the later rounds. It is reasonably safe to use lower champs until around round 6 to maybe 8. At this point you're in the danger zone and you need a strategy to get from 8 to 15. There are several. Principle two kicks in here: match ups are based on your overall team rating, not individual champs. This creates two opportunities. The first one I tend to use in arenas like the T4B arena. When I get to about streak 7ish I make sure I'm using 4/40 3* champs (max rank). I will draw "harder" matches, but the game seems to have a maximum difficulty it is willing to throw at me if I'm using 3* champs. So if I use max rank 3*, that makes the gap between me and the computer as low as possible. When I get to about streak 10 I switch to rank 5 4* champs: again, the computer has a limit on how high it will go if I only use 4* champs, so I'm once again reducing the gap to its minimum. This doesn't create easy match ups, but it is manageable for me.

    Option two is to sandbag. Which is to say, you bring in two high champs and one low champ. Say you bring in two champs with 3000 rating and one with 300 rating. Your total team rating is 6300. The computer will calculate a match based on that rating, and even if it throws something twice as strong as you that would be a 12600 rating team which is likely to be something like three champs of about 4200 rating. That means you have a pretty good chance of getting two out of three wins, because two of the fights will be 3000 vs 4200, a reasonably close match. The last fight is a throw away, you only need two to continue the streak.

    In general, the basic strategy is to ramp your champs up kind of in parallel with the game ramping up difficulty, then try to use your best champs to get past "the hump" between 8 and 15, and then just don't drop too low until you coast past 20, and then just stay above a critical level forever. This does take some thought and planning, and practice, and if that's too much work for you, then at least this might help someone else.
  • Colinwhitworth69Colinwhitworth69 Member Posts: 7,470 ★★★★★
    WildHunt1 said:

    Okay, I don't know why, but all of the methods I've tried for arenas don't work for me. And trust me, I've tried them all. About 100,000 points is the most I can get before I start running into teams that are 3x my PI, and some I can handle and others just kick my butt. I need a foolproof, easy-to-understand method to get to the infinite streak. Don't give me any of this rank and level stuff. If I can't find that information from the arena screen, I don't want to know about it. I don't want to have to guess "Is this champion a level 5 or a level 20 or is s/he a rank 2 or a rank 4?"

    Normally, I start at the top for points and then work my way down. But once I get to round 8, I start running into champs that I can't beat. Sometimes I'm lucky and get to the streak, but I lose it after about five rounds. I've tried everything, and my frustration at having to take on teams that are monsters compared mine is getting annoying. Or champs that are 20x my speed--especially Juggernaut.

    No one will truly be able to help me, I'm sure. You'll just direct me to a video that will provide me no helpful information, or you'll talk about doing the arena in such a complicated way that I'll never figure it out. But, I thought I'd at least ask.

    Thank you for your time.

    I use Brian Grant's (Contest Champion on YT) method for the 4 star basic arena, which is this:
    1-9 r4 3 stars
    10-13 r4 4 stars
    14-19 r3 4 stars
    And then anything r3 4 star or higher.

    This works for me every time. I have been playing a year-and-a-few months.
  • Jkw634Jkw634 Member Posts: 296 ★★
    If you roster is not that big or not ranked up you will hit a wall around round 8-15 then once past 15-20 if you go below a certain pi of champs you will run into those high pi opponents
  • Tireck20Tireck20 Member Posts: 29
    Hi, i had the same frustation about it. I was losing my win streak after round 15 maybe, and i was looking for a good combination to make a infinite streak, so i will tell you about my roster in Basic 4* arena first.
    6 - 4* R5/50
    12 - 4* R4/40
    18 - 4* R3/30
    and many 1/10 4*
    When i start de arena (the first day) i count after my last 3/30 (the more weak) and i count groups of 3 to make fast the first x3, so i need 15 4* 1/10, and i use them from bottom to top,
    After that i have now 36 4* between (3/30-5/50) so i start from at botton to top i dont need any secuence or any like use 3/30 and 2 5/50 etc, no just i use all from the more weak(3/30 at bottom) to finisht at the strong (top 5/50) and i make the infinite streak without problems now. the only rule i have is when i come to the last 9 champs, because i have 6 5/50, i make 3 grupos like (2 5/50 and one 4/40) 3 times.
    when my 4* isn't in cooldown i dont need again the 1/10 4*, so i start only with my 3/30 and make again the same step at the begining.
    with that i can do 4M in 3 days maybe (5 rounds per day) or if you want only make the objetives you can do 3-2 rounds per day, you need to know how much points you can do each round and you will know how many rounds you will do to win a 4* basic when you want run for it.

    PS after win streak 20 when im fighting with a 3/30 group always the enemi has all 3/30 champs in hard, is easy to make a infinite streak to me now with that steps.

    PS. level up your 4* to rank 3/30, dont will need T4basic, only need T3basic and T2class so it will not expensive, and the arena will make really easy to you.

    Sorry for my english.
  • Rougeknight87Rougeknight87 Member Posts: 599 ★★★
    edited July 2019
    Fights 1-9 use rank 1 4’s. Then sandbag with your max 3’s until fight 12 which is 2 max 3’s and a rank 1 3.
    Then for fights 13-14 I use a 4/40 and 2 3/30’s as if you use a team of 5/50 the PI is too low and you lose points. Next fights I use my 5/50’s until about fight 18 I think and you are then in infinite streak where as long as you use a team of max rank 3* and above you are fine and shouldn’t encounter a death match.
    If you don’t have many max rank 4* you can still use your 4/40’s in those fights
  • MagrailothosMagrailothos Member Posts: 5,985 ★★★★★
    As well as reading and following the advice above: you don't state what arena you're fighting in; but you need to consider your most powerful opponents, which vary depending on which arena you're running:

    3-star Featured: max 4/40 opponents; you should be able to handle any fights with 3/30s. Don't think that this arena is beneath you - imagine how effective the full FF are going to be! Or how useful that 3*Nick Fury could have been for synergies.

    4-star Basic: max 5/50 opponents; you should be able to handle any fights with your 4/40s. Stronger champs and those with effective power drain should be able to handle any fights at 3/30.

    4-star Featured: max 5/65 opponents. You're going to struggle to get to streak here with your roster; and you're never going to get the top champion. I'd avoid this arena for now.

    5-star Featured: max 2/35 6* opponents: Just don't go into this arena. At all.

    Catalyst Arenas: max 5/65 opponents. You're going to struggle to get to streak here with your roster; but it is possible; and if you want to, you can get T1A and T4B catalysts without ever 'streaking'. Probably your most reliable source of T1A and T4B. The T4CC arena is much less rewarding - don't waste your time.

    Crystal Splash: max 3/30. Like the 3*Arena, you can grind with 2/20s if you want to.

    More advice for arenas:
    • Don't use all your weakest champs in the first few rounds - hold back some to 'sandbag' in rounds 10-15.
    • Hold back your power control champions for the toughest fights, 14-15.
    • For fights 16-20, use your highest PI champs; as if you accidentally use weaker ones, the game algorithm might give you a horrible deathmatch.
    • Be sure to use Arena boosts for those times you really want extra points to win a particular champion
    If you really want to get as far as you can in arena, your strategy should involve considering how you rank up your 4* champions:
    • I keep a dozen or so 4* champs at 1/1 so I can sandbag' with them. If you have options, think of which champions you don't need, but which could provide useful synergies with the champions you're going to use in the hardest matches, 13-15; e.g. keep Vulture at 1/1 to pair up with Sparky
    • I keep some quite useful champs at 3/30 purely to use in the arena, and make little teams I use every time; like Luke Cage and OG BP, who I pair up with my 1/1 Iron Fist
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