Deep wounds question

Mr_OtterMr_Otter Member Posts: 1,614 ★★★
in General Discussion
I'm trying to unlock the Assassin mastery and to use it I'll also need Deep Wounds

Now something I've been wondering is the % of health secondary effect if you have more health

Now does that interfere with the normal Bleed DoT (Damage Over Time) or is it just an additional bonus?

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  • CptMuffinCptMuffin Member Posts: 85 ★
    Skip assassin and max deep wounds for now. And its in addition.
  • Eb0ny-O-M4wEb0ny-O-M4w Member Posts: 14,159 ★★★★★
    As soon as you cause a bleed debuff, the enemy will automatically lose 1% HP as direct damage
  • Mr_OtterMr_Otter Member Posts: 1,614 ★★★
    eXtripa69 wrote: »
    As soon as you cause a bleed debuff, the enemy will automatically lose 1% HP as direct damage

    You missed the point entirely I was asking if the direct damage would replace the bleed or be an additional damage alongside the bleed
  • StefffStefff Member Posts: 121 ★
    Mr_Otter wrote: »
    eXtripa69 wrote: »
    As soon as you cause a bleed debuff, the enemy will automatically lose 1% HP as direct damage

    You missed the point entirely I was asking if the direct damage would replace the bleed or be an additional damage alongside the bleed
    Additional damage to the bleed. It's not hugely impactful though.
  • Mr_OtterMr_Otter Member Posts: 1,614 ★★★
    Stefff wrote: »
    Mr_Otter wrote: »
    eXtripa69 wrote: »
    As soon as you cause a bleed debuff, the enemy will automatically lose 1% HP as direct damage

    You missed the point entirely I was asking if the direct damage would replace the bleed or be an additional damage alongside the bleed
    Additional damage to the bleed. It's not hugely impactful though.

    Not actually why I was asking

    See lately I've been favoring X23 and Gwenpool

    I've just unlocked Despair as the masteries are expensive and I'll admit I wasted a LOT of Units on Iceman and Stark spider and Dormammu and Iceman… basically I've had a hard time saving this year. However I've been worried that using Deep wounds would make GP unable to reapply Enervate or suddenly make X23 do less damage as they got towards the end of a long fight in like Act5 or Masters

    However I do appreciate your insightful reply
  • Eb0ny-O-M4wEb0ny-O-M4w Member Posts: 14,159 ★★★★★
    Mr_Otter wrote: »
    eXtripa69 wrote: »
    As soon as you cause a bleed debuff, the enemy will automatically lose 1% HP as direct damage

    You missed the point entirely I was asking if the direct damage would replace the bleed or be an additional damage alongside the bleed

    Is a direct damage + bleed. Of course it doesn't replace anything, otherwise it would be useless

    And whoever it is, this is not spam
  • Shadow_roastShadow_roast Member Posts: 399 ★
    It doesn't replace a bleed effect, it strikes down 1% health with each bleed effect, so bleed doesn't get removed cuz of it, DW is really awesome mastery right :pp
  • Stara99Stara99 Member Posts: 426 ★★
    Before maxing deep wounds put 1 point in assassin
  • Tmasters1984Tmasters1984 Member Posts: 451
    They're both good masteries to max.

    Deep Wounds can even make Broke Fixit imposing, as you can knock 5-6% health off the enemy with each l1.
  • f9_absf9_abs Member Posts: 126 ★
    I have DW at r5 with assassin at r1, and it's awesome! My roster has wolverine, x-23 and ultron for AW/AQ and at times I just watch the opponent bleed out with 2.5 extra seconds of bleed. And yeah, it does make Fixit's L1 very effective.
  • The1_NuclearOnionThe1_NuclearOnion Member Posts: 908 ★★★
    f9_abs wrote: »
    I have DW at r5 with assassin at r1, and it's awesome! My roster has wolverine, x-23 and ultron for AW/AQ and at times I just watch the opponent bleed out with 2.5 extra seconds of bleed. And yeah, it does make Fixit's L1 very effective.

    Same! The extra bleed time makes a huge difference for sure. Especially as it keeps stacking up with x23.
  • Minion_of_DoomMinion_of_Doom Member Posts: 110
    edited August 2017
    I prefer max assassin and 2 points in Deep Wounds, but mainly because max assassin allows me to end fights in AW (I use Karnak, CB and SL there) a lot faster.
  • The1_NuclearOnionThe1_NuclearOnion Member Posts: 908 ★★★
    Minion_of_Doom wrote: »
    I prefer max assassin and 2 points in Deep Wounds, but mainly because max assassin allows me to end fights in AW (I use Karnak, CB and SL there) a lot faster.

    My wish list would include: Every level of assassin increasing the HP activation percentage to end at say 25% HP activation instead of static 18%. Still awesome tho mine's not maxed yet.
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  • Tmasters1984Tmasters1984 Member Posts: 451
    This is probably a good place to ask:

    Deep Wounds maxed - who is the better bleeder, same rank/sig:
    BP og
    Deadpool XF
    Hawkeye
    All duped
    ?
  • Jon8299Jon8299 Member Posts: 1,067 ★★★
    OG Black Panther, he's better overall.
  • Tmasters1984Tmasters1984 Member Posts: 451
    Hmm, thats what I was thinking but I just duped Deadpool so wanted to know what the community thought.
  • Mr_OtterMr_Otter Member Posts: 1,614 ★★★
    Tmasters1984 wrote: »
    Hmm, thats what I was thinking but I just duped Deadpool so wanted to know what the community thought.

    Only maybe on heroic IF you wanna r5 a mostly useless champion just so you can more easily steamroll heroic
  • Tmasters1984Tmasters1984 Member Posts: 451
    Nah, I can do heroic on autofight with most of my champs these days.

    Just wanted to know if his duped bleed was decent. Consensus seems to be "no".
  • f9_absf9_abs Member Posts: 126 ★
    In skill, BP OG is IMO the best bleeder once duped. In mutant, wolverine and X-23 are best I think even unduped.
  • Tmasters1984Tmasters1984 Member Posts: 451
    BP og stacks bleed, but both DPxf and Hawkeye have that more powerful haemorrhage style bleed.

    The stacks are good if you're facing an opponent with less health, but interested in how they compare to Master Mode etc.
  • f9_absf9_abs Member Posts: 126 ★
    Given how AI has been enhanced nowadays, there are very high chances that your SP attacks will be blocked by AI in master mode in which case you won't get e.g. haemorrhage. Hence, I personally prefer champs who stack bleeds off crit hits.

    BTW, GP is the best bleeder in skill if you have her.
  • Tmasters1984Tmasters1984 Member Posts: 451
    No, and I'm sore about it.

    I have every other decent bleeder in the game but her and AA.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,920 ★★★★★
    edited August 2017
    It's debatable. OG BP doesn't have as much per tick, but I've stacked mine at 10 or so. GP stacks but not as well as OG BP.
  • NorthwestbrosefNorthwestbrosef Member Posts: 156 ★
    The great thing about duped panther is he can sometimes put 2 bleeds on with one hit. Most I had at one time was around 13, and with maxed deep wounds, bad guys just can't recover from that.
  • Tmasters1984Tmasters1984 Member Posts: 451
    I didn't realise he could stack that hard.

    I'm assuming that's with a maxed sig? Does he not have a stack cap?
  • TrumpootTrumpoot Member Posts: 186 ★
    at first glance, champs with short bleeds will benefit most from DW.
    BP has 4 sec bleeds. extend that by 2.5 sec, and you get 6.5/4 = 1.625 (62.5% more bleed dmg)
    Ultron has 10 sec bleeds. extend that by 2.5 sec, and you get 12.5/10 = 1.25 (25% more bleed dmg)

    obviously you still have to do the math of dmg per tick, and chance to stack multiple bleeds, but BP is one of my favorites with DW.

    of course, longer bleeds lets GP stack more bleeds, increase chance of stun, etc. so @f9_abs is correct about GP being best in my opinion. (comparing same rank champs)
  • Tmasters1984Tmasters1984 Member Posts: 451
    It's commonly accepted GP is the best bleeder in the game.

    I think that's more because that she can stack quicker with the stun though.

    It's be interesting to compare, say, the top 10 bleeder in the game.
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