Game without suicides

raziel

I wanted to touch upon something that I've noticed recently. Maybe it's just me, but the game seems awfully slow and tedious when I'm not running suicides. Obviously arena is where it's visible the most, however more and more champs seem to be coming out being de and/or lc friendly (or needing them to shine - OR, BWCV).

Do you think Kabam devs realize that in order to keep up with the game and stay efficient time wise, suicide builds are "must-havs"?

Maybe I'm just talking nonsense However can you realistically play in the endgame without running suicides? Perhaps we're missing easy mastery build swaps or something, but it seems the game has become tailored to de and/or lc which became kind of stale and boring.

What does everyone think?

GroundedWisdom

I've never run Suicides. The extra Damage might shave off a bit of time, but there's a whole game outside of them. I don't think they're must-haves.

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AceLuffySabo

RazorDevil said:

How much of a damage increase do suicides provide?

I believe full suicides give you an additional 60% attack

Marri_2

AceLuffySabo said:

RazorDevil said:

How much of a damage increase do suicides provide?

I believe full suicides give you an additional 60% attack

Amd then there's OR who gets the perks of bleeding on top of that.

Downside is recoil. Especially in AW defense.

Aryl

Lol suicides

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raziel

GroundedWisdom said:

I've never run Suicides. The extra Damage might shave off a bit of time, but there's a whole game outside of them. I don't think they're must-haves.

They really speed things up. With a time consuming game like this, it seems de and/or lc are kind of necessary to be efficient in your activities. Not to mention the savings for boosts and potions (when running specific champs).

ItsDamien

raziel said:

GroundedWisdom said:

I've never run Suicides. The extra Damage might shave off a bit of time, but there's a whole game outside of them. I don't think they're must-haves.

They really speed things up. With a time consuming game like this, it seems de and/or lc are kind of necessary to be efficient in your activities. Not to mention the savings for boosts and potions (when running specific champs).

Time doesn't mean a necessity. If you don't have time, use suicides. If you have time, don't use them if you don't want. They're not a necessity, they are a nicety.

Tehsigzorz

ItsDamien said:

raziel said:

GroundedWisdom said:

I've never run Suicides. The extra Damage might shave off a bit of time, but there's a whole game outside of them. I don't think they're must-haves.

They really speed things up. With a time consuming game like this, it seems de and/or lc are kind of necessary to be efficient in your activities. Not to mention the savings for boosts and potions (when running specific champs).

Time doesn't mean a necessity. If you don't have time, use suicides. If you have time, don't use them if you don't want. They're not a necessity, they are a nicety.

In a grindy game, time is the best resource.

Nojokejaym

raziel said:

GroundedWisdom said:

I've never run Suicides. The extra Damage might shave off a bit of time, but there's a whole game outside of them. I don't think they're must-haves.

They really speed things up. With a time consuming game like this, it seems de and/or lc are kind of necessary to be efficient in your activities. Not to mention the savings for boosts and potions (when running specific champs).

they are not necessary

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flygamer

There will be a lot of opinions on this. It really is about your play style, where you are in the game, and who your champs are that you use most. For me I use max liquid courage, but not double edge. I took suicide off recently and it was a huge difference in damage output and the length of the fight, naturally. But the lengthier the fight, the more chances for mistakes and DOT that will hurt you more than the poison from liqiud courage. Yes recoil sucks and you have to play around it at times, but for me LQ is a must.

SettlersofCatan

GroundedWisdom said:

I've never run Suicides. The extra Damage might shave off a bit of time, but there's a whole game outside of them. I don't think they're must-haves.

They're must-haves if you're a huge grinder, ~f2p, and want to grow your account as much as possible. Need them to maximize shards and unit gains.

flygamer

Mcoc_Anxiety said:

Suicides are not necessary. There is some masteries such as deep wounds and assassin which for many is a should be necessary such as if you use killmonger or blade or Nick fury a lot.

Deeps wounds for sure, but assassin? You can run both, but would you rather have 30-60% more attack for the whole fight, or just the last 18%?

Cranmer00

I run endgame without suicides the recoil is trash and it’s a money grab for health pots and revives. I die 10x less without them.

If I did arena, I would def have

SDP

I can’t remember the last time I didn’t have suicides on. Yes, it is a noticeable difference.

LeNoirFaineant

I'm not willing to spend units to constantly take them off for AW defense and I'm not a big arena grinder so I don't run them.

psp742

Suicides is double edged, not all champions are suicide friendly, in exchange for additional percentage to attack, your champion gradually losses certain amount of health.. Omega Red if bleeding gets death field activated making him more deadly (30 death spores), Minister can reflect the poison and bleed to opponents with his sp1. Personally I don’t like to gamble with my champion health specially with my game being inconsistent.. if you want to use this mastery setting, go ahead... personally I’d rather not use it..

Aleor

Omega was released like a year ago.
1 champ per year is not a lot. Most of champs don't benefit that much, considering you don't want to use sp1 or sp2

B_Dizzle_01

I always run suicides. Hate when they aren’t on. And I typically rank champs that are suicide friendly.

Tehsigzorz

Aleor said:

Omega was released like a year ago.
1 champ per year is not a lot. Most of champs don't benefit that much, considering you don't want to use sp1 or sp2

Only 1 suicide friendly champ got released last year wut? There were 2 suicide friendly champs in the month omega red got released in...

psp742

I got Mr Sinister awaken, Havok, and Omega Red.. I rank up Sinister just because he is sort of fun to play and he jus looks Sinister... Havok is raw damage from sp3 and Omega Red is continuous degen via death spores.. if I had the resources I’d rank them all up but, Sinister can be annoying defender and good attacker, depending on how he is used.. Sinister is also suicide friendly after you send the poison and bleed to your opponent.. lol.

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-sixate-

I ran suicides years ago for a couple weeks. Made arena grinding super quick, but the recoil damage and the fact it nerfs regen champs was enough reason for me to never go back. And now I have a 5* R5 Ghost with all the synergy and I still have no desire to run suicides.

GroundedWisdom

SettlersofCatan said:

GroundedWisdom said:

I've never run Suicides. The extra Damage might shave off a bit of time, but there's a whole game outside of them. I don't think they're must-haves.

They're must-haves if you're a huge grinder, ~f2p, and want to grow your account as much as possible. Need them to maximize shards and unit gains.

Coming up on 100k Wins in the Arena. Not really.

Tehsigzorz

GroundedWisdom said:

SettlersofCatan said:

GroundedWisdom said:

I've never run Suicides. The extra Damage might shave off a bit of time, but there's a whole game outside of them. I don't think they're must-haves.

They're must-haves if you're a huge grinder, ~f2p, and want to grow your account as much as possible. Need them to maximize shards and unit gains.

Coming up on 100k Wins in the Arena. Not really.

Well you arent f2p which is what he is stating...

RagamugginGunner

GroundedWisdom said:

I've never run Suicides. The extra Damage might shave off a bit of time, but there's a whole game outside of them. I don't think they're must-haves.

If you've never run them then how would you know? Just guessing again?

RagamugginGunner

Aleor said:

Omega was released like a year ago.
1 champ per year is not a lot. Most of champs don't benefit that much, considering you don't want to use sp1 or sp2

Incredibly wrong.

TheBestinTuakau

If the champion is immune, do you still get the attack bonus?