Should this hit from Ghost’s SP2 make contact?

JosephPoerio

This is the first hit of Ghost’s SP2 on a Groot who is dashing in with a medium attack. Should this hit from Ghost make contact?

Marri_2

Not necessarily. If you timed it too early, he might just have been out of range, which you might not notice when you are fighting because he is dashing. And everything is super quick. Do you have the video?

Aleor

Yes

It's a bug for sure. Happens with some other champs as well

Unknown

This content has been removed.

JosephPoerio

Yes

I’d love to know the reason for people voting “NO” on this lol. Could the answer be any more obvious?

Lormif

No

You launched the attack while he way evading back as stated in the bugs, so now you violate the forum rules to post again?

Lormif

No

RazorDevil said:

Marri_2 said:

Not necessarily. If you timed it too early, he might just have been out of range, which you might not notice when you are fighting because he is dashing. And everything is super quick. Do you have the video?

Dude look at the damn picture. This bug I have seen before.. But only since the ios 11 bug appeared

Dude watch the video in the bugs section, he timed his attack badly, groot was in the middle of a dash back when he launched it. groot then came in and hit him at the exact same time, that is a classic bounce, as groot in protected in his hit, and he is protected in his hit, so they bounce, groot then turtles. If the timing had been altered a hair, and he kicked him before groot was in the middle of his swing he would have gotten the hit, but he did not.

JosephPoerio

Yes

Lormif said:

RazorDevil said:

Marri_2 said:

Not necessarily. If you timed it too early, he might just have been out of range, which you might not notice when you are fighting because he is dashing. And everything is super quick. Do you have the video?

Dude look at the damn picture. This bug I have seen before.. But only since the ios 11 bug appeared

Dude watch the video in the bugs section, he timed his attack badly, groot was in the middle of a dash back when he launched it. groot then came in and hit him at the exact same time, that is a classic bounce, as groot in protected in his hit, and he is protected in his hit, so they bounce, groot then turtles. If the timing had been altered a hair, and he kicked him before groot was in the middle of his swing he would have gotten the hit, but he did not.

This is the most incorrect information on the entire post. Under NO circumstances can you “bounce off” a special attack if you dash in just before one of the hits and stay there while the hit is being performed. You cannot provide ANY evidence of your claims.

Lormif

No

JosephPoerio said:

Lormif said:

RazorDevil said:

Marri_2 said:

Not necessarily. If you timed it too early, he might just have been out of range, which you might not notice when you are fighting because he is dashing. And everything is super quick. Do you have the video?

Dude look at the damn picture. This bug I have seen before.. But only since the ios 11 bug appeared

Dude watch the video in the bugs section, he timed his attack badly, groot was in the middle of a dash back when he launched it. groot then came in and hit him at the exact same time, that is a classic bounce, as groot in protected in his hit, and he is protected in his hit, so they bounce, groot then turtles. If the timing had been altered a hair, and he kicked him before groot was in the middle of his swing he would have gotten the hit, but he did not.

This is the most incorrect information on the entire post. Under NO circumstances can you “bounce off” a special attack if you dash in just before one of the hits and stay there while the hit is being performed. You cannot provide ANY evidence of your claims.

I never said you "dash in and stay", dont create strawman, I said you dash in and hit at the same time.

JosephPoerio

Yes

If I dash back when a defender throws a special attack, then dash back in and just stand there, I will get hit by the next hit of the special every single time. If you don’t think so, then prove it.

JosephPoerio

Yes

Lormif said:

JosephPoerio said:

Lormif said:

RazorDevil said:

Marri_2 said:

Not necessarily. If you timed it too early, he might just have been out of range, which you might not notice when you are fighting because he is dashing. And everything is super quick. Do you have the video?

Dude look at the damn picture. This bug I have seen before.. But only since the ios 11 bug appeared

Dude watch the video in the bugs section, he timed his attack badly, groot was in the middle of a dash back when he launched it. groot then came in and hit him at the exact same time, that is a classic bounce, as groot in protected in his hit, and he is protected in his hit, so they bounce, groot then turtles. If the timing had been altered a hair, and he kicked him before groot was in the middle of his swing he would have gotten the hit, but he did not.

This is the most incorrect information on the entire post. Under NO circumstances can you “bounce off” a special attack if you dash in just before one of the hits and stay there while the hit is being performed. You cannot provide ANY evidence of your claims.

I never said you "dash in and stay", dont create strawman, I said you dash in and hit at the same time.

Special attacks are “uninterrupted” attacks. Which means they take precedence over basic attacks. You can not negate a hit from a special attack by simultaneously hitting with a basic attack.

Lormif

No

JosephPoerio said:

If I dash back when a defender throws a special attack, then dash back in and just stand there, I will get hit by the next hit of the special every single time. If you don’t think so, then prove it.

Groot did not "just stand there", he ran in and swung a hit making contact at the exact same time.

Besides if you run in and stand there it does not mean you will get hit, you will bounce off a little and be able to not get hit by part of the animation, anyone who has cleared 6.2.6 realizes this as it is part of the most popular strategy. If you stand there and dont do ANYTHING AT ALL you will get hit, but that is not the case here.

JosephPoerio

Yes

You really don’t understand what you’re talking about. It’s becoming more and more clear with each post. 6.2.6 Champion strategy requires a dash back (dexterity) or you will get hit. You also can’t dash in WHILE he’s attacking or you will get hit. If you actually cleared 6.2.6 you would understand how the timing works.

JosephPoerio

Yes

Maybe I could explain better. If Groot had dashed in, then dex’d out BEFORE Ghost’s hit would have made contact then the “bounce off” would work. But he does not. He is still standing within striking range when Ghost’s first hit should make contact. Since special attacks are uninterrupted, his attack would NOT negate hers. It’s really pretty simple.

Lormif

No

JosephPoerio said:

You really don’t understand what you’re talking about. It’s becoming more and more clear with each post. 6.2.6 Champion strategy requires a dash back (dexterity) or you will get hit. You also can’t dash in WHILE he’s attacking or you will get hit. If you actually cleared 6.2.6 you would understand how the timing works.

lol, I have not just cleared 6.2.6, I have 100%ed it. And what is the most common way in 6.2.6 to get those prowess charges? You bait an sp1, while he is in the animation YOU CHARGE IN, bounce of slightly, then you evade out of the head butt, but if yo are really good you evade out of the hand chop. Shoot if you are really good you evade the chop, charge back into the animation, and evade the head and get 2 charges.

Savio444

Yes

JosephPoerio said:

I’d love to know the reason for people voting “NO” on this lol. Could the answer be any more obvious?

You gave them the option, but it should be
Yes or yes

JosephPoerio

Yes

Lormif said:

JosephPoerio said:

You really don’t understand what you’re talking about. It’s becoming more and more clear with each post. 6.2.6 Champion strategy requires a dash back (dexterity) or you will get hit. You also can’t dash in WHILE he’s attacking or you will get hit. If you actually cleared 6.2.6 you would understand how the timing works.

lol, I have not just cleared 6.2.6, I have 100%ed it. And what is the most common way in 6.2.6 to get those prowess charges? You bait an sp1, while he is in the animation YOU CHARGE IN, bounce of slightly, then you evade out of the head butt, but if yo are really good you evade out of the hand chop.

Prowess charges? Ok buddy. I’m pretty sure you should be removing indestructible charges but what do I know, you’re obviously the expert lol

Lormif

No

JosephPoerio said:

Lormif said:

JosephPoerio said:

You really don’t understand what you’re talking about. It’s becoming more and more clear with each post. 6.2.6 Champion strategy requires a dash back (dexterity) or you will get hit. You also can’t dash in WHILE he’s attacking or you will get hit. If you actually cleared 6.2.6 you would understand how the timing works.

lol, I have not just cleared 6.2.6, I have 100%ed it. And what is the most common way in 6.2.6 to get those prowess charges? You bait an sp1, while he is in the animation YOU CHARGE IN, bounce of slightly, then you evade out of the head butt, but if yo are really good you evade out of the hand chop.

Prowess charges? Ok buddy. I’m pretty sure you should be removing indestructible charges but what do I know, you’re obviously the expert lol

HAHAH, HAHAHAHA, HAHAAHAHAHHAAH

You talk about people not knowing what they are talking about, and in the same thing prove you dont know what you are talking about. Every time you evade a special you both remove an indestructible charge AND gain a prowess charge. The powess is what helps you kill him with a special once all his charges are removed....

JosephPoerio

Yes

Lormif said:

JosephPoerio said:

Lormif said:

JosephPoerio said:

You really don’t understand what you’re talking about. It’s becoming more and more clear with each post. 6.2.6 Champion strategy requires a dash back (dexterity) or you will get hit. You also can’t dash in WHILE he’s attacking or you will get hit. If you actually cleared 6.2.6 you would understand how the timing works.

lol, I have not just cleared 6.2.6, I have 100%ed it. And what is the most common way in 6.2.6 to get those prowess charges? You bait an sp1, while he is in the animation YOU CHARGE IN, bounce of slightly, then you evade out of the head butt, but if yo are really good you evade out of the hand chop.

Prowess charges? Ok buddy. I’m pretty sure you should be removing indestructible charges but what do I know, you’re obviously the expert lol

HAHAH, HAHAHAHA, HAHAAHAHAHHAAH

You talk about people not knowing what they are talking about, and in the same thing prove you dont know what you are talking about. Every time you evade a special you both remove an indestructible charge AND gain a prowess charge. The powess is what helps you kill him with a special once all his charges are removed....

Yes, but the prowess is not the intent of the strategy. The intent of the strategy is to remove the indestructible charges. You really don’t understand much huh? Lol

Lormif

No

JosephPoerio said:

Lormif said:

JosephPoerio said:

Lormif said:

JosephPoerio said:

You really don’t understand what you’re talking about. It’s becoming more and more clear with each post. 6.2.6 Champion strategy requires a dash back (dexterity) or you will get hit. You also can’t dash in WHILE he’s attacking or you will get hit. If you actually cleared 6.2.6 you would understand how the timing works.

lol, I have not just cleared 6.2.6, I have 100%ed it. And what is the most common way in 6.2.6 to get those prowess charges? You bait an sp1, while he is in the animation YOU CHARGE IN, bounce of slightly, then you evade out of the head butt, but if yo are really good you evade out of the hand chop.

Prowess charges? Ok buddy. I’m pretty sure you should be removing indestructible charges but what do I know, you’re obviously the expert lol

HAHAH, HAHAHAHA, HAHAAHAHAHHAAH

You talk about people not knowing what they are talking about, and in the same thing prove you dont know what you are talking about. Every time you evade a special you both remove an indestructible charge AND gain a prowess charge. The powess is what helps you kill him with a special once all his charges are removed....

Yes, but the prowess is not the intent of the strategy. The intent of the strategy is to remove the indestructible charges. You really don’t understand much huh? Lol

Intent? Both are the intent of the strategy... Without the indestructible charges you cannot do damage to him, without the prowess you cannot kill him in one shot allowing him to heal back up with his specials abilities... Wait to move the goal posts when proven wrong.

JosephPoerio

Yes

Lormif said:

JosephPoerio said:

Lormif said:

JosephPoerio said:

Lormif said:

JosephPoerio said:

You really don’t understand what you’re talking about. It’s becoming more and more clear with each post. 6.2.6 Champion strategy requires a dash back (dexterity) or you will get hit. You also can’t dash in WHILE he’s attacking or you will get hit. If you actually cleared 6.2.6 you would understand how the timing works.

lol, I have not just cleared 6.2.6, I have 100%ed it. And what is the most common way in 6.2.6 to get those prowess charges? You bait an sp1, while he is in the animation YOU CHARGE IN, bounce of slightly, then you evade out of the head butt, but if yo are really good you evade out of the hand chop.

Prowess charges? Ok buddy. I’m pretty sure you should be removing indestructible charges but what do I know, you’re obviously the expert lol

HAHAH, HAHAHAHA, HAHAAHAHAHHAAH

You talk about people not knowing what they are talking about, and in the same thing prove you dont know what you are talking about. Every time you evade a special you both remove an indestructible charge AND gain a prowess charge. The powess is what helps you kill him with a special once all his charges are removed....

Yes, but the prowess is not the intent of the strategy. The intent of the strategy is to remove the indestructible charges. You really don’t understand much huh? Lol

Intent? Both are the intent of the strategy... Without the indestructible charges you cannot do damage to him, without the prowess you cannot kill him in one shot allowing him to heal back up with his specials abilities... Wait to move the goal posts when proven wrong.

The prowess charges are NOT necessary to kill him with a special attack. Just FYI.

Lormif

No

JosephPoerio said:

Lormif said:

JosephPoerio said:

Lormif said:

JosephPoerio said:

Lormif said:

JosephPoerio said:

You really don’t understand what you’re talking about. It’s becoming more and more clear with each post. 6.2.6 Champion strategy requires a dash back (dexterity) or you will get hit. You also can’t dash in WHILE he’s attacking or you will get hit. If you actually cleared 6.2.6 you would understand how the timing works.

lol, I have not just cleared 6.2.6, I have 100%ed it. And what is the most common way in 6.2.6 to get those prowess charges? You bait an sp1, while he is in the animation YOU CHARGE IN, bounce of slightly, then you evade out of the head butt, but if yo are really good you evade out of the hand chop.

Prowess charges? Ok buddy. I’m pretty sure you should be removing indestructible charges but what do I know, you’re obviously the expert lol

HAHAH, HAHAHAHA, HAHAAHAHAHHAAH

You talk about people not knowing what they are talking about, and in the same thing prove you dont know what you are talking about. Every time you evade a special you both remove an indestructible charge AND gain a prowess charge. The powess is what helps you kill him with a special once all his charges are removed....

Yes, but the prowess is not the intent of the strategy. The intent of the strategy is to remove the indestructible charges. You really don’t understand much huh? Lol

Intent? Both are the intent of the strategy... Without the indestructible charges you cannot do damage to him, without the prowess you cannot kill him in one shot allowing him to heal back up with his specials abilities... Wait to move the goal posts when proven wrong.

The prowess charges are NOT necessary to kill him with a special attack. Just FYI.

"needed" is a very strong word, I never said you needed, I said it HELPS. If you can do over 50k damage with a special without prowess then you can one shot him with a special, if you cannot then need the prowess, it just so happens that the vast majority of the chamopions used to counter him cannot do anywhere near 50k with a special.

JosephPoerio

Yes

Lormif said:

JosephPoerio said:

Lormif said:

JosephPoerio said:

Lormif said:

JosephPoerio said:

Lormif said:

JosephPoerio said:

You really don’t understand what you’re talking about. It’s becoming more and more clear with each post. 6.2.6 Champion strategy requires a dash back (dexterity) or you will get hit. You also can’t dash in WHILE he’s attacking or you will get hit. If you actually cleared 6.2.6 you would understand how the timing works.

lol, I have not just cleared 6.2.6, I have 100%ed it. And what is the most common way in 6.2.6 to get those prowess charges? You bait an sp1, while he is in the animation YOU CHARGE IN, bounce of slightly, then you evade out of the head butt, but if yo are really good you evade out of the hand chop.

Prowess charges? Ok buddy. I’m pretty sure you should be removing indestructible charges but what do I know, you’re obviously the expert lol

HAHAH, HAHAHAHA, HAHAAHAHAHHAAH

You talk about people not knowing what they are talking about, and in the same thing prove you dont know what you are talking about. Every time you evade a special you both remove an indestructible charge AND gain a prowess charge. The powess is what helps you kill him with a special once all his charges are removed....

Yes, but the prowess is not the intent of the strategy. The intent of the strategy is to remove the indestructible charges. You really don’t understand much huh? Lol

Intent? Both are the intent of the strategy... Without the indestructible charges you cannot do damage to him, without the prowess you cannot kill him in one shot allowing him to heal back up with his specials abilities... Wait to move the goal posts when proven wrong.

The prowess charges are NOT necessary to kill him with a special attack. Just FYI.

"needed" is a very strong word, I never said you needed, I said it HELPS. If you can do over 50k damage with a special without prowess then you can one shot him with a special, if you cannot then need the prowess, it just so happens that the vast majority of the chamopions used to counter him cannot do anywhere near 50k with a special.

Really? Im pretty sure one of the most common counters is CapIW which can deal well over 50k damage. What “common counters” are you thinking of? Anyways you’re off on a tangent now just derailing the thread. The Champion fight is all about TIMING, you cannot dash in while he is attacking and negate any of his special attack hits with a basic attack, even if the hits happen simultaneously. It just doesn’t work that way.

Lormif

No

JosephPoerio said:

Lormif said:

JosephPoerio said:

Lormif said:

JosephPoerio said:

Lormif said:

JosephPoerio said:

Lormif said:

JosephPoerio said:

You really don’t understand what you’re talking about. It’s becoming more and more clear with each post. 6.2.6 Champion strategy requires a dash back (dexterity) or you will get hit. You also can’t dash in WHILE he’s attacking or you will get hit. If you actually cleared 6.2.6 you would understand how the timing works.

lol, I have not just cleared 6.2.6, I have 100%ed it. And what is the most common way in 6.2.6 to get those prowess charges? You bait an sp1, while he is in the animation YOU CHARGE IN, bounce of slightly, then you evade out of the head butt, but if yo are really good you evade out of the hand chop.

Prowess charges? Ok buddy. I’m pretty sure you should be removing indestructible charges but what do I know, you’re obviously the expert lol

HAHAH, HAHAHAHA, HAHAAHAHAHHAAH

You talk about people not knowing what they are talking about, and in the same thing prove you dont know what you are talking about. Every time you evade a special you both remove an indestructible charge AND gain a prowess charge. The powess is what helps you kill him with a special once all his charges are removed....

Yes, but the prowess is not the intent of the strategy. The intent of the strategy is to remove the indestructible charges. You really don’t understand much huh? Lol

Intent? Both are the intent of the strategy... Without the indestructible charges you cannot do damage to him, without the prowess you cannot kill him in one shot allowing him to heal back up with his specials abilities... Wait to move the goal posts when proven wrong.

The prowess charges are NOT necessary to kill him with a special attack. Just FYI.

"needed" is a very strong word, I never said you needed, I said it HELPS. If you can do over 50k damage with a special without prowess then you can one shot him with a special, if you cannot then need the prowess, it just so happens that the vast majority of the chamopions used to counter him cannot do anywhere near 50k with a special.

Really? Im pretty sure one of the most common counters is CapIW which can deal well over 50k damage. What “common counters” are you thinking of? Anyways you’re off on a tangent now just derailing the thread. The Champion fight is all about TIMING, you cannot dash in while he is attacking and negate any of his special attack hits with a basic attack, even if the hits happen simultaneously. It just doesn’t work that way.

ONE of the most used, yes, but he alone does not fit into the majority of those used. The is also the hood and SS, 66% is the vast majority, but you dont like to attack points directly, just have to adjust them to be able to win, creating strawmen arguments. And yes, if you charge in and hit the champion you wont take any damage unless you miss time it, and land it where you are not hitting him when he hits you. I am starting to think you have not even done that fight.

JosephPoerio

Yes

If you REALLY understood the timing you would understand that Groot should have been hit by Ghost’s special in the above photos. But clearly you don’t and that’s ok.

Lormif

No

JosephPoerio said:

If you REALLY understood the timing you would understand that Groot should have been hit by Ghost’s special in the above photos. But clearly you don’t and that’s ok.

That does not show anything, you know right?

JosephPoerio

Yes

Lormif said:

JosephPoerio said:

If you REALLY understood the timing you would understand that Groot should have been hit by Ghost’s special in the above photos. But clearly you don’t and that’s ok.

That does not show anything, you know right?

I was just showing you that I obviously completed the Champion fight since you seem to have doubts.

Lormif

No

Like this does



Besides after all the bogus bug reports over common knowledge you bought your account

Lormif

No

JosephPoerio said:

Lormif said:

JosephPoerio said:

If you REALLY understood the timing you would understand that Groot should have been hit by Ghost’s special in the above photos. But clearly you don’t and that’s ok.

That does not show anything, you know right?

I was just showing you that I obviously completed the Champion fight since you seem to have doubts.

How does that show you did the champion? All it shows is you have 17% done in 6.2, unless I am missing something.

JosephPoerio

Yes

Lormif said:

Like this does



Besides after all the bogus bug reports over common knowledge you bought your account

You should know the Chapter doesn’t turn green unless it’s complete. Which means that photo obviously does show something lol. And now you’re just making claims you can’t prove lol. You can’t compete in AW at my level just by spending money bud. But you wouldn’t know since you’re only plat 4.

JosephPoerio

Yes

First, you claim Quake doesn’t evade unless the opponent has a concussion debuff in another thread which is incorrect. Then you claim that photo doesn’t prove completion of the chapter which is also incorrect. Just stop bro.