Alliance quest Point mechanics

cartman_braa2

So apparently, lost a WAR it's ok to lose but what is not Ok is the fact that our opponent placed 35/50 defenders where we did full. And WE DIDNT GOT ANY POINTS FOR THAT ! why kabam how will people get encouraged to place if they cant get points for that and also the fact our opponents had a worsen diversity still we lost by a friction of points ,I REALLY FIND It unencouragement , this actually. Means nothing to place really cause on tier 15 u really dont have good nodes on defences

xNig

The points are gotten from you guys walking on the empty nodes.

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SiriusBreak

cartman_braa2 said:

So apparently, lost a WAR it's ok to lose but what is not Ok is the fact that our opponent placed 35/50 defenders where we did full. And WE DIDNT GOT ANY POINTS FOR THAT ! why kabam how will people get encouraged to place if they cant get points for that and also the fact our opponents had a worsen diversity still we lost by a friction of points ,I REALLY FIND It unencouragement , this actually. Means nothing to place really cause on tier 15 u really dont have good nodes on defences

@cartman_braa2 Every node where a champ COULD be placed gives you 3 Attack Bonuses for simply passing over it. So as long ss you 100% explored the Map, you got a BUNCH of free Attack Bonuses (45 to be exact). Unfortunately, it would seem your opponent simply did better in attack. Also, that's Alliance War for clarification. So no, it does mean something to place in AW, just not the core point provider.

What's more, they were missing 15 in diversity right off the swing. You did mention having higher diversity. At 30 points per unique defender, it's a nice buffer in close wars. However, when Attack Bonuses are 80 points each, it takes nearly 3 unique defenders to make up for each Attack Bonus lost. If you loose too many ABs, that's that unfortunately.

You also said that in tier 15 there's no real good nodes... well, apparently those nodes (or particular node/champ combos) were a bit too much for some in your Alliance considering you lost. So, am I correct in assuming you're only running 1 BG wars? (Judging by the 35/50 comment, I'm guessing yes) If that's the case, make sure you have the 10 best players in your Alliance running that BG or Attack Bonuses will inevitably slip through the cracks, and bogus defenders will make your opponent's job that much easier.

A loss in AW blows for sure. Wasted time and resources can be frustrating. So best to make sure your crew is up for the task. It only gets more difficult as you climb the tiers. Another pointer, provided you're only running 1 BG, try running 2 or 3 if 20 or all 30 are up for it. Opening 1 BG, and not having assigned players and lanes is risky business in my book. Results will be inconsistent, and players who don't have the right champs for a certain lane, may end up on that lane due to a lack of options if they come in late. Strategy is key to winning in AW IMHO. Best of luck in the future though and try reading up on AW strategies.

cartman_braa2

SiriusBreak said:

cartman_braa2 said:

So apparently, lost a WAR it's ok to lose but what is not Ok is the fact that our opponent placed 35/50 defenders where we did full. And WE DIDNT GOT ANY POINTS FOR THAT ! why kabam how will people get encouraged to place if they cant get points for that and also the fact our opponents had a worsen diversity still we lost by a friction of points ,I REALLY FIND It unencouragement , this actually. Means nothing to place really cause on tier 15 u really dont have good nodes on defences

@cartman_braa2 Every node where a champ COULD be placed gives you 3 Attack Bonuses for simply passing over it. So as long ss you 100% explored the Map, you got a BUNCH of free Attack Bonuses (45 to be exact). Unfortunately, it would seem your opponent simply did better in attack. Also, that's Alliance War for clarification. So no, it does mean something to place in AW, just not the core point provider.

What's more, they were missing 15 in diversity right off the swing. You did mention having higher diversity. At 30 points per unique defender, it's a nice buffer in close wars. However, when Attack Bonuses are 80 points each, it takes nearly 3 unique defenders to make up for each Attack Bonus lost. If you loose too many ABs, that's that unfortunately.

You also said that in tier 15 there's no real good nodes... well, apparently those nodes (or particular node/champ combos) were a bit too much for some in your Alliance considering you lost. So, am I correct in assuming you're only running 1 BG wars? (Judging by the 35/50 comment, I'm guessing yes) If that's the case, make sure you have the 10 best players in your Alliance running that BG or Attack Bonuses will inevitably slip through the cracks, and bogus defenders will make your opponent's job that much easier.

A loss in AW blows for sure. Wasted time and resources can be frustrating. So best to make sure your crew is up for the task. It only gets more difficult as you climb the tiers. Another pointer, provided you're only running 1 BG, try running 2 or 3 if 20 or all 30 are up for it. Opening 1 BG, and not having assigned players and lanes is risky business in my book. Results will be inconsistent, and players who don't have the right champs for a certain lane, may end up on that lane due to a lack of options if they come in late. Strategy is key to winning in AW IMHO. Best of luck in the future though and try reading up on AW strategies.

But it seems like our defender was doing nothing , we had only 4 kills can you believe that ? And if they are as an alliance is soo good where u can finish defenders of guys who are uncollected so what are you doing on Tier 15 ? Like we gave 12 kills I think it's normal

Lvernon15

By what you’re saying it looks like they played much better than you and you died more even though you didn’t face as many defenders, the scoring system does disadvantage you for not placing the full 50

Championcritic

I dunno man, sounds to me like you guys had an advantage in terms of having less defenders to deal with yet you didn't do well against the opponents you did fight against, while your opponents had more defenders to deal with but they were strong enough to get through with no difficulty. Sounds like a fair AW to me, your opponents simply did better.

Championcritic

cartman_braa2 said:

SiriusBreak said:

cartman_braa2 said:

So apparently, lost a WAR it's ok to lose but what is not Ok is the fact that our opponent placed 35/50 defenders where we did full. And WE DIDNT GOT ANY POINTS FOR THAT ! why kabam how will people get encouraged to place if they cant get points for that and also the fact our opponents had a worsen diversity still we lost by a friction of points ,I REALLY FIND It unencouragement , this actually. Means nothing to place really cause on tier 15 u really dont have good nodes on defences

@cartman_braa2 Every node where a champ COULD be placed gives you 3 Attack Bonuses for simply passing over it. So as long ss you 100% explored the Map, you got a BUNCH of free Attack Bonuses (45 to be exact). Unfortunately, it would seem your opponent simply did better in attack. Also, that's Alliance War for clarification. So no, it does mean something to place in AW, just not the core point provider.

What's more, they were missing 15 in diversity right off the swing. You did mention having higher diversity. At 30 points per unique defender, it's a nice buffer in close wars. However, when Attack Bonuses are 80 points each, it takes nearly 3 unique defenders to make up for each Attack Bonus lost. If you loose too many ABs, that's that unfortunately.

You also said that in tier 15 there's no real good nodes... well, apparently those nodes (or particular node/champ combos) were a bit too much for some in your Alliance considering you lost. So, am I correct in assuming you're only running 1 BG wars? (Judging by the 35/50 comment, I'm guessing yes) If that's the case, make sure you have the 10 best players in your Alliance running that BG or Attack Bonuses will inevitably slip through the cracks, and bogus defenders will make your opponent's job that much easier.

A loss in AW blows for sure. Wasted time and resources can be frustrating. So best to make sure your crew is up for the task. It only gets more difficult as you climb the tiers. Another pointer, provided you're only running 1 BG, try running 2 or 3 if 20 or all 30 are up for it. Opening 1 BG, and not having assigned players and lanes is risky business in my book. Results will be inconsistent, and players who don't have the right champs for a certain lane, may end up on that lane due to a lack of options if they come in late. Strategy is key to winning in AW IMHO. Best of luck in the future though and try reading up on AW strategies.

But it seems like our defender was doing nothing , we had only 4 kills can you believe that ? And if they are as an alliance is soo good where u can finish defenders of guys who are uncollected so what are you doing on Tier 15 ? Like we gave 12 kills I think it's normal

As you said, Tier 15 doesn't have really good nodes on defense, so shouldn't you guys be dominating your opponents defenders just as they are dominating yours? haha

SummonerNR

1 BG War Alliance’s typically won’t be up in high Tier wars, even if they might be a 15m ally with full 5* r4 and r5 top profiles.
And they typically won’t generate much defensive kills in those lower tiers.
They gave you free max Bonus points from those nodes they didn’t place defenders on, not only because of no risk of having a KO on them, and because that gave you the ability to have had up to an extra 15 champ Diversity difference in them, but also by saving your attackers health to be able to use (and maybe die less) against nodes they actually did have defenders on.

Or maybe they just “baited” your ally into totally skipping some of the paths that didn’t have any defenders on them (that would have been a HUGE lack of points for your side).

And keep in mind even though they only had 7 ppl place on Defense, more might have joined in just during the Attack phase to fight thru all of your own defenders and clear 100%

SiriusBreak

cartman_braa2 said:

SiriusBreak said:

cartman_braa2 said:

So apparently, lost a WAR it's ok to lose but what is not Ok is the fact that our opponent placed 35/50 defenders where we did full. And WE DIDNT GOT ANY POINTS FOR THAT ! why kabam how will people get encouraged to place if they cant get points for that and also the fact our opponents had a worsen diversity still we lost by a friction of points ,I REALLY FIND It unencouragement , this actually. Means nothing to place really cause on tier 15 u really dont have good nodes on defences

@cartman_braa2 Every node where a champ COULD be placed gives you 3 Attack Bonuses for simply passing over it. So as long ss you 100% explored the Map, you got a BUNCH of free Attack Bonuses (45 to be exact). Unfortunately, it would seem your opponent simply did better in attack. Also, that's Alliance War for clarification. So no, it does mean something to place in AW, just not the core point provider.

What's more, they were missing 15 in diversity right off the swing. You did mention having higher diversity. At 30 points per unique defender, it's a nice buffer in close wars. However, when Attack Bonuses are 80 points each, it takes nearly 3 unique defenders to make up for each Attack Bonus lost. If you loose too many ABs, that's that unfortunately.

You also said that in tier 15 there's no real good nodes... well, apparently those nodes (or particular node/champ combos) were a bit too much for some in your Alliance considering you lost. So, am I correct in assuming you're only running 1 BG wars? (Judging by the 35/50 comment, I'm guessing yes) If that's the case, make sure you have the 10 best players in your Alliance running that BG or Attack Bonuses will inevitably slip through the cracks, and bogus defenders will make your opponent's job that much easier.

A loss in AW blows for sure. Wasted time and resources can be frustrating. So best to make sure your crew is up for the task. It only gets more difficult as you climb the tiers. Another pointer, provided you're only running 1 BG, try running 2 or 3 if 20 or all 30 are up for it. Opening 1 BG, and not having assigned players and lanes is risky business in my book. Results will be inconsistent, and players who don't have the right champs for a certain lane, may end up on that lane due to a lack of options if they come in late. Strategy is key to winning in AW IMHO. Best of luck in the future though and try reading up on AW strategies.

But it seems like our defender was doing nothing , we had only 4 kills can you believe that ? And if they are as an alliance is soo good where u can finish defenders of guys who are uncollected so what are you doing on Tier 15 ? Like we gave 12 kills I think it's normal

Seems to me, that Alliance did all the right things to get the win. 4 kills is low, yeah, but certainly not unheard of. They could be a group that has assigned lanes, that has a plan. Or they're just a bunch of experienced players running in a lower tier to relax. I cannot say for sure. Just sounds like they had it together, and your crew needs to take some notes. Fact remains, the scoring system isn't to blame here.

EDIT - Question @cartman_braa2 , do you guys utilize an outside communication app? Let me know. 1, it makes a difference, and 2, I'll post a bunch of AW Strategy Tips here that you can C&P to the notes section of the app for all your Alliance mates to see.