Regarding upcoming changes

Enigma50

Hello everyone,
So I don't visit the forum much, and I understood from an alliance mate that Namor will be nerfed soon.
Came to the forums to see and there aren't any sticky threads that talk about rebalancing champions, nor could I find any threads made by an admin regarding Namor.

Is there anyone kind enough to leave a link to the thread that has the official announcement?

Treo

There is still no official announcement the only official reaction has been in the line of:

No nerf is planned
There is a planned change to some champs that all lie in the line of small adjustments an announcement will be made ahead of the changes if and when they will be implemented. Current plans are to do that around February

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Enigma50

Please bare with me for a bit and kindly answer this stupid question.
How did the players know that changes will be made to Namor then if no official announcement was made?

I knew about Cull because I read an announcement like 3 or 4 months ago, but now I can't find that thread too.
I wanted to check whether Namor's name was mentioned in it.

awesomesauce

Enigma50 said:

Please bare with me for a bit and kindly answer this stupid question.
How did the players know that changes will be made to Namor then if no official announcement was made?

I knew about Cull because I read an announcement like 3 or 4 months ago, but now I can't find that thread too.
I wanted to check whether Namor's name was mentioned in it.

The announcement was found on (i believe) one of kabam's foreign sites, that loosely translated to namor. should be able to search for the thread on here. This caused a lot of questions to come in ever since. I feel like it was probably a couple months ago at this point.

Demonzfyre

Enigma50 said:

Please bare with me for a bit and kindly answer this stupid question.
How did the players know that changes will be made to Namor then if no official announcement was made?

I knew about Cull because I read an announcement like 3 or 4 months ago, but now I can't find that thread too.
I wanted to check whether Namor's name was mentioned in it.

A screenshot was being sent around from a Chinese version of the MCOC forums saying Namor was part of the changes. No way to validate the picture or the information which most likely the picture was shopped. There wasn't any link or anything else to go with it. This is where people started saying Namor would be "nerfed". Now everyone thinks that Namor is going to be completely redone, people are freaking out, spreading fake news and generally over reacting. It's the equivalent of "seeing" bigfoot. Everyone saw it and has a story, none of it is true.

Enigma50

Thanks man.

Buttehrs

Demonzfyre said:

Enigma50 said:

Please bare with me for a bit and kindly answer this stupid question.
How did the players know that changes will be made to Namor then if no official announcement was made?

I knew about Cull because I read an announcement like 3 or 4 months ago, but now I can't find that thread too.
I wanted to check whether Namor's name was mentioned in it.

A screenshot was being sent around from a Chinese version of the MCOC forums saying Namor was part of the changes. No way to validate the picture or the information which most likely the picture was shopped. There wasn't any link or anything else to go with it. This is where people started saying Namor would be "nerfed". Now everyone thinks that Namor is going to be completely redone, people are freaking out, spreading fake news and generally over reacting. It's the equivalent of "seeing" bigfoot. Everyone saw it and has a story, none of it is true.

Except that miike actually said a person on the team still ranked 5 his 5* namor after the changes on their test server, so theres actually reason to wonder what's going on.

Gamer

Demonzfyre said:

Enigma50 said:

Please bare with me for a bit and kindly answer this stupid question.
How did the players know that changes will be made to Namor then if no official announcement was made?

I knew about Cull because I read an announcement like 3 or 4 months ago, but now I can't find that thread too.
I wanted to check whether Namor's name was mentioned in it.

A screenshot was being sent around from a Chinese version of the MCOC forums saying Namor was part of the changes. No way to validate the picture or the information which most likely the picture was shopped. There wasn't any link or anything else to go with it. This is where people started saying Namor would be "nerfed". Now everyone thinks that Namor is going to be completely redone, people are freaking out, spreading fake news and generally over reacting. It's the equivalent of "seeing" bigfoot. Everyone saw it and has a story, none of it is true.

And well I’m Hav prow from a edito the patch node to

Gamer

@Demonzfyre

Isn’t fake news just edited out because ther wasn’t the change in this Patch

Demonzfyre

Buttehrs said:

Demonzfyre said:

Enigma50 said:

Please bare with me for a bit and kindly answer this stupid question.
How did the players know that changes will be made to Namor then if no official announcement was made?

I knew about Cull because I read an announcement like 3 or 4 months ago, but now I can't find that thread too.
I wanted to check whether Namor's name was mentioned in it.

A screenshot was being sent around from a Chinese version of the MCOC forums saying Namor was part of the changes. No way to validate the picture or the information which most likely the picture was shopped. There wasn't any link or anything else to go with it. This is where people started saying Namor would be "nerfed". Now everyone thinks that Namor is going to be completely redone, people are freaking out, spreading fake news and generally over reacting. It's the equivalent of "seeing" bigfoot. Everyone saw it and has a story, none of it is true.

Except that miike actually said a person on the team still ranked 5 his 5* namor after the changes on their test server, so theres actually reason to wonder what's going on.

Because the "changes" aren't what people are making them out to be. I never said Namor wouldn't have any changes, im saying they aren't nerfing him into the ground like everyone keeps saying.

Rockypantherx

Demonzfyre said:

Enigma50 said:

Please bare with me for a bit and kindly answer this stupid question.
How did the players know that changes will be made to Namor then if no official announcement was made?

I knew about Cull because I read an announcement like 3 or 4 months ago, but now I can't find that thread too.
I wanted to check whether Namor's name was mentioned in it.

A screenshot was being sent around from a Chinese version of the MCOC forums saying Namor was part of the changes. No way to validate the picture or the information which most likely the picture was shopped. There wasn't any link or anything else to go with it. This is where people started saying Namor would be "nerfed". Now everyone thinks that Namor is going to be completely redone, people are freaking out, spreading fake news and generally over reacting. It's the equivalent of "seeing" bigfoot. Everyone saw it and has a story, none of it is true.

Miike indirectly confirmed it, said something along the lines of “ FWIW: I still took my Namor to 5/65 sig 200 after testing”. Although I do concur about the screenshot, that could definitely have been faked

Demonzfyre

Gamer said:

@Demonzfyre

Isn’t fake news just edited out because ther wasn’t the change in this Patch

@Gamer that's not what they are referring to. This was a supposed post on the chinese forums.

Buttehrs

Demonzfyre said:

Buttehrs said:

Demonzfyre said:

Enigma50 said:

Please bare with me for a bit and kindly answer this stupid question.
How did the players know that changes will be made to Namor then if no official announcement was made?

I knew about Cull because I read an announcement like 3 or 4 months ago, but now I can't find that thread too.
I wanted to check whether Namor's name was mentioned in it.

A screenshot was being sent around from a Chinese version of the MCOC forums saying Namor was part of the changes. No way to validate the picture or the information which most likely the picture was shopped. There wasn't any link or anything else to go with it. This is where people started saying Namor would be "nerfed". Now everyone thinks that Namor is going to be completely redone, people are freaking out, spreading fake news and generally over reacting. It's the equivalent of "seeing" bigfoot. Everyone saw it and has a story, none of it is true.

Except that miike actually said a person on the team still ranked 5 his 5* namor after the changes on their test server, so theres actually reason to wonder what's going on.

Because the "changes" aren't what people are making them out to be. I never said Namor wouldn't have any changes, im saying they aren't nerfing him into the ground like everyone keeps saying.

I agree but considering all the little things theyve said here and there about still ranking up after changes and then possible compensation packages etc just makes kabam seem really shady right now.

Gamer

Demonzfyre said:

Gamer said:

@Demonzfyre

Isn’t fake news just edited out because ther wasn’t the change in this Patch

@Gamer that's not what they are referring to. This was a supposed post on the chinese forums.

This one ist from Chinese either

Demonzfyre

Buttehrs said:

Demonzfyre said:

Buttehrs said:

Demonzfyre said:

Enigma50 said:

Please bare with me for a bit and kindly answer this stupid question.
How did the players know that changes will be made to Namor then if no official announcement was made?

I knew about Cull because I read an announcement like 3 or 4 months ago, but now I can't find that thread too.
I wanted to check whether Namor's name was mentioned in it.

A screenshot was being sent around from a Chinese version of the MCOC forums saying Namor was part of the changes. No way to validate the picture or the information which most likely the picture was shopped. There wasn't any link or anything else to go with it. This is where people started saying Namor would be "nerfed". Now everyone thinks that Namor is going to be completely redone, people are freaking out, spreading fake news and generally over reacting. It's the equivalent of "seeing" bigfoot. Everyone saw it and has a story, none of it is true.

Except that miike actually said a person on the team still ranked 5 his 5* namor after the changes on their test server, so theres actually reason to wonder what's going on.

Because the "changes" aren't what people are making them out to be. I never said Namor wouldn't have any changes, im saying they aren't nerfing him into the ground like everyone keeps saying.

I agree but considering all the little things theyve said here and there about still ranking up after changes and then possible compensation packages etc just makes kabam seem really shady right now.

Nah. Considering how people reacted to their first announcement, they are trying to be as transparent as possible. The last one was vague and no real info was given. The comp is because they know that no matter what they do or say, people will be upset regardless.

Demonzfyre

Gamer said:

Demonzfyre said:

Gamer said:

@Demonzfyre

Isn’t fake news just edited out because ther wasn’t the change in this Patch

@Gamer that's not what they are referring to. This was a supposed post on the chinese forums.

This one ist from Chinese either

I know, but the one that was supposedly put on the Chinese forums had "more" information regarding Namor.

Buttehrs

Demonzfyre said:

Buttehrs said:

Demonzfyre said:

Buttehrs said:

Demonzfyre said:

Enigma50 said:

Please bare with me for a bit and kindly answer this stupid question.
How did the players know that changes will be made to Namor then if no official announcement was made?

I knew about Cull because I read an announcement like 3 or 4 months ago, but now I can't find that thread too.
I wanted to check whether Namor's name was mentioned in it.

A screenshot was being sent around from a Chinese version of the MCOC forums saying Namor was part of the changes. No way to validate the picture or the information which most likely the picture was shopped. There wasn't any link or anything else to go with it. This is where people started saying Namor would be "nerfed". Now everyone thinks that Namor is going to be completely redone, people are freaking out, spreading fake news and generally over reacting. It's the equivalent of "seeing" bigfoot. Everyone saw it and has a story, none of it is true.

Except that miike actually said a person on the team still ranked 5 his 5* namor after the changes on their test server, so theres actually reason to wonder what's going on.

Because the "changes" aren't what people are making them out to be. I never said Namor wouldn't have any changes, im saying they aren't nerfing him into the ground like everyone keeps saying.

I agree but considering all the little things theyve said here and there about still ranking up after changes and then possible compensation packages etc just makes kabam seem really shady right now.

Nah. Considering how people reacted to their first announcement, they are trying to be as transparent as possible. The last one was vague and no real info was given. The comp is because they know that no matter what they do or say, people will be upset regardless.

Still tho, how hard is it to say in an official post all of these things so people can see until the actual announcement of specific changes being made? Why say it here or there in different threads? Just put what is known in one post for all to see. Make changes to that post if necessary.

Octoberstack

Demonzfyre said:

Enigma50 said:

Please bare with me for a bit and kindly answer this stupid question.
How did the players know that changes will be made to Namor then if no official announcement was made?

I knew about Cull because I read an announcement like 3 or 4 months ago, but now I can't find that thread too.
I wanted to check whether Namor's name was mentioned in it.

A screenshot was being sent around from a Chinese version of the MCOC forums saying Namor was part of the changes. No way to validate the picture or the information which most likely the picture was shopped. There wasn't any link or anything else to go with it. This is where people started saying Namor would be "nerfed". Now everyone thinks that Namor is going to be completely redone, people are freaking out, spreading fake news and generally over reacting. It's the equivalent of "seeing" bigfoot. Everyone saw it and has a story, none of it is true.

Just a couple things I thought I might add.

The info came from the official Chinese MCOC website, within their news/announcements section (http://mcoc.163.com/news/843), not a Chinese version of the forums as you suggested.

The original post which first identified this news page can be found here: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/175040/nerf-namor-and-cull-obsidian-in-jan-information-from-chinese-official-webpage/p1

The Chinese page now appears to have been modified to exclude the paragraph regarding the balance updates. At the time, I opened the page via Chrome and the automated translated feature gave me the following translation:



The translated paragraph (nor the page) was photoshopped, though I’m unsure if edited versions made the rounds in the community thereafter. But as you correctly stated, the current ‘Namor nerf’ outrage originated from this forum thread, arguably after Prof Hoff (quite predictably) made a video showcasing the thread in question, which only added fuel to the fear-mongering.

Couple weeks following that, Kabam Miike posted the following on a different forum thread regarding the same matter:



Seemingly this confirms that there are indeed upcoming changes planned for Namor.

BUT

There is no official info out there details what these changes are, most of the stuff you hear about his ‘major upcoming nerf’ is pure speculation. But it does seem to be the case that Namor will indeed be receiving some changes to his kit.

The Kabam team here have insisted that these changes will not affect the champ’s performance or desirability, and frankly I’m happy to wait and see for myself before jumping to conclusions.

Hope this helps elucidate the situation OP @Enigma50

Enigma50

So he is definitely on that list haha.
I really had no clue Namor was going to be changed. If I knew I would have waited to see what these changes are.

Demonzfyre

Buttehrs said:

Demonzfyre said:

Buttehrs said:

Demonzfyre said:

Buttehrs said:

Demonzfyre said:

Enigma50 said:

Please bare with me for a bit and kindly answer this stupid question.
How did the players know that changes will be made to Namor then if no official announcement was made?

I knew about Cull because I read an announcement like 3 or 4 months ago, but now I can't find that thread too.
I wanted to check whether Namor's name was mentioned in it.

A screenshot was being sent around from a Chinese version of the MCOC forums saying Namor was part of the changes. No way to validate the picture or the information which most likely the picture was shopped. There wasn't any link or anything else to go with it. This is where people started saying Namor would be "nerfed". Now everyone thinks that Namor is going to be completely redone, people are freaking out, spreading fake news and generally over reacting. It's the equivalent of "seeing" bigfoot. Everyone saw it and has a story, none of it is true.

Except that miike actually said a person on the team still ranked 5 his 5* namor after the changes on their test server, so theres actually reason to wonder what's going on.

Because the "changes" aren't what people are making them out to be. I never said Namor wouldn't have any changes, im saying they aren't nerfing him into the ground like everyone keeps saying.

I agree but considering all the little things theyve said here and there about still ranking up after changes and then possible compensation packages etc just makes kabam seem really shady right now.

Nah. Considering how people reacted to their first announcement, they are trying to be as transparent as possible. The last one was vague and no real info was given. The comp is because they know that no matter what they do or say, people will be upset regardless.

Still tho, how hard is it to say in an official post all of these things so people can see until the actual announcement of specific changes being made? Why say it here or there in different threads? Just put what is known in one post for all to see. Make changes to that post if necessary.

The official post is coming but people can't seem to wait so instead of waiting, they continue to make threads with "information" they think they know or speculate what will happen. The communities speculation tends to be on the far end of the spectrum of worst case scenario mostly due to 12.0 but we haven't had a 12.0 since 12.0 but the tag line is always "typical Kabam".

I'd really like to know the changes as well. I have a R5 Cull which i love using. I've also pulled Namor and Ebony Maw. I'd rather see the official announcement before speculating what might happen.

Gamer

Demonzfyre said:

Gamer said:

Demonzfyre said:

Gamer said:

@Demonzfyre

Isn’t fake news just edited out because ther wasn’t the change in this Patch

@Gamer that's not what they are referring to. This was a supposed post on the chinese forums.

This one ist from Chinese either

I know, but the one that was supposedly put on the Chinese forums had "more" information regarding Namor.

No cheiines didn’t hav much much that I’m posting at all. But Agerd we need to be more claimed and don’t espies it a hug rebalancing

Demonzfyre

Octoberstack said:

Demonzfyre said:

Enigma50 said:

Please bare with me for a bit and kindly answer this stupid question.
How did the players know that changes will be made to Namor then if no official announcement was made?

I knew about Cull because I read an announcement like 3 or 4 months ago, but now I can't find that thread too.
I wanted to check whether Namor's name was mentioned in it.

A screenshot was being sent around from a Chinese version of the MCOC forums saying Namor was part of the changes. No way to validate the picture or the information which most likely the picture was shopped. There wasn't any link or anything else to go with it. This is where people started saying Namor would be "nerfed". Now everyone thinks that Namor is going to be completely redone, people are freaking out, spreading fake news and generally over reacting. It's the equivalent of "seeing" bigfoot. Everyone saw it and has a story, none of it is true.

Just a couple things I thought I might add.

The info came from the official Chinese MCOC website, within their news/announcements section (http://mcoc.163.com/news/843), not a Chinese version of the forums as you suggested.

The original post which first identified this news page can be found here: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/175040/nerf-namor-and-cull-obsidian-in-jan-information-from-chinese-official-webpage/p1

The Chinese page now appears to have been modified to exclude the paragraph regarding the balance updates. At the time, I opened the page via Chrome and the automated translated feature gave me the following translation:



The translated paragraph (nor the page) was photoshopped, though I’m unsure if edited versions made the rounds in the community thereafter. But as you correctly stated, the current ‘Namor nerf’ outrage originated from this forum thread, arguably after Prof Hoff (quite predictably) made a video showcasing the thread in question, which only added fuel to the fear-mongering.

Couple weeks following that, Kabam Miike posted the following on a different forum thread regarding the same matter:



Seemingly this confirms that there are indeed upcoming changes planned for Namor.

BUT

There is no official info out there details what these changes are, most of the stuff you hear about his ‘major upcoming nerf’ is pure speculation. But it does seem to be the case that Namor will indeed be receiving some changes to his kit.

The Kabam team here have insisted that these changes will not affect the champ’s performance or desirability, and frankly I’m happy to wait and see for myself before jumping to conclusions.

Hope this helps elucidate the situation OP @Enigma50

Sorry, I should clarify that when I say 'Chinese version" I meant their official MCOC page. Not a mock page or anything.

Octoberstack

Enigma50 said:

So he is definitely on that list haha.
I really had no clue Namor was going to be changed. If I knew I would have waited to see what these changes are.

@Enigma50

In fairness, I had a feeling he’d be tuned down some day but took the plunge anyway and took him to R5 sig200 with a Variant 4-5 gem, because I knew exactly what kind of content I was going to attempt next and I knew he could get me through it cheaply.

He almost single-handedly completed Variant 2 100% with barely any revives spent, and was invaluable in certain paths in my exploration of 6.1 and 6.2. He also gave my prestige a sizeable bump, and since I ranked him up last month my alliance has gone from top 800 AQ to breaking top 350 (a great group effort). He’s admittedly seen less use in 6.3, but I have yet to start exploring it properly.

At the end of day - in my eyes anyway - he’s served the main purpose for which I ranked him, and that’s good enough for me. I’m fairly certain the upcoming changes will still leave him a very useable champ, so I’m not too concerned.

Octoberstack

Demonzfyre said:

Octoberstack said:

Demonzfyre said:

Enigma50 said:

Please bare with me for a bit and kindly answer this stupid question.
How did the players know that changes will be made to Namor then if no official announcement was made?

I knew about Cull because I read an announcement like 3 or 4 months ago, but now I can't find that thread too.
I wanted to check whether Namor's name was mentioned in it.

A screenshot was being sent around from a Chinese version of the MCOC forums saying Namor was part of the changes. No way to validate the picture or the information which most likely the picture was shopped. There wasn't any link or anything else to go with it. This is where people started saying Namor would be "nerfed". Now everyone thinks that Namor is going to be completely redone, people are freaking out, spreading fake news and generally over reacting. It's the equivalent of "seeing" bigfoot. Everyone saw it and has a story, none of it is true.

Just a couple things I thought I might add.

The info came from the official Chinese MCOC website, within their news/announcements section (http://mcoc.163.com/news/843), not a Chinese version of the forums as you suggested.

The original post which first identified this news page can be found here: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/175040/nerf-namor-and-cull-obsidian-in-jan-information-from-chinese-official-webpage/p1

The Chinese page now appears to have been modified to exclude the paragraph regarding the balance updates. At the time, I opened the page via Chrome and the automated translated feature gave me the following translation:



The translated paragraph (nor the page) was photoshopped, though I’m unsure if edited versions made the rounds in the community thereafter. But as you correctly stated, the current ‘Namor nerf’ outrage originated from this forum thread, arguably after Prof Hoff (quite predictably) made a video showcasing the thread in question, which only added fuel to the fear-mongering.

Couple weeks following that, Kabam Miike posted the following on a different forum thread regarding the same matter:



Seemingly this confirms that there are indeed upcoming changes planned for Namor.

BUT

There is no official info out there details what these changes are, most of the stuff you hear about his ‘major upcoming nerf’ is pure speculation. But it does seem to be the case that Namor will indeed be receiving some changes to his kit.

The Kabam team here have insisted that these changes will not affect the champ’s performance or desirability, and frankly I’m happy to wait and see for myself before jumping to conclusions.

Hope this helps elucidate the situation OP @Enigma50

Sorry, I should clarify that when I say 'Chinese version" I meant their official MCOC page. Not a mock page or anything.

All good, I figured as much, but I thought I’d clarify for others following the thread 👍

Darksun987

The comp is because they know that no matter what they do or say, people will be upset regardless.

You can't or at least shouldn't nerf any heroes in a game where people (not me) pay a huge amount of real world money to get a champion and rank them. You can only do straight buffs. Test heroes more before release. If it wasn't like $100 for some catalysts and if it didn't require 20 hours of grind or tons of money spent to get a champion then sure but it's a huge commitment some people make to their rosters so Kabam need tread lightly.

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Enigma50

Thanks guys, the situation is clearer now.
Although I just want to add that they should have made an announcement.
What they did was acknowledge the changes only after someone found out about it on a Chinese site.

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Demonzfyre

Darksun987 said:

The comp is because they know that no matter what they do or say, people will be upset regardless.

You can't or at least shouldn't nerf any heroes in a game where people (not me) pay a huge amount of real world money to get a champion and rank them. You can only do straight buffs. Test heroes more before release. If it wasn't like $100 for some catalysts and if it didn't require 20 hours of grind or tons of money spent to get a champion then sure but it's a huge commitment some people make to their rosters so Kabam need tread lightly.


Stop using the word nerf. They aren't nerfing anyone. If they can't "nerf" anyone, they shouldn't "buff" anyone either. Also it doesn't matter if you paid money or not, you don't own any champ on your roster, you don't even own your profile. If the game shuts down tomorrow, what amount of money you used would matter?

How would you like them to test heroes more? For how long? No amount of the Dev's testing a champ can replace the amount of data gained from the player base.

Demonzfyre

zeezee57 said:

Demonzfyre said:

Buttehrs said:

Demonzfyre said:

Buttehrs said:

Demonzfyre said:

Enigma50 said:

Please bare with me for a bit and kindly answer this stupid question.
How did the players know that changes will be made to Namor then if no official announcement was made?

I knew about Cull because I read an announcement like 3 or 4 months ago, but now I can't find that thread too.
I wanted to check whether Namor's name was mentioned in it.

A screenshot was being sent around from a Chinese version of the MCOC forums saying Namor was part of the changes. No way to validate the picture or the information which most likely the picture was shopped. There wasn't any link or anything else to go with it. This is where people started saying Namor would be "nerfed". Now everyone thinks that Namor is going to be completely redone, people are freaking out, spreading fake news and generally over reacting. It's the equivalent of "seeing" bigfoot. Everyone saw it and has a story, none of it is true.

Except that miike actually said a person on the team still ranked 5 his 5* namor after the changes on their test server, so theres actually reason to wonder what's going on.

Because the "changes" aren't what people are making them out to be. I never said Namor wouldn't have any changes, im saying they aren't nerfing him into the ground like everyone keeps saying.

I agree but considering all the little things theyve said here and there about still ranking up after changes and then possible compensation packages etc just makes kabam seem really shady right now.

Nah. Considering how people reacted to their first announcement, they are trying to be as transparent as possible. The last one was vague and no real info was given. The comp is because they know that no matter what they do or say, people will be upset regardless.

That's just silly, how are they trying to be transparent at all? In their announcement they said any champ up for rebalance would be announced prior to entering the basic pool, but Namor was never even announced, mike making little comments in threads isn't an announcement. As I've said before, how can a change be so minor as to not impact a champs performance or desirability yet still be necessary for all this nonsense? It doesn't make sense

Their first thread wasn't transparent if I am being honest, it was a little to ambitious for the time frame they gave themselves. The community is making this into a bigger issue than it actually is. With youtubers like Prof Hoff who misconstrues every detail to many, many people on here who tried to read between the lines and form a narrative that wasn't ever there. The first announcement bred the "nonsense" you are seeing now. I 100% agree that their first announcement of the changes should have been better. Maybe we wouldn't be having this conversation right now but since the community thinks they know everything or know better, here we are.