The physics of the battlerealm: what applies and what doesn’t?

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  • DjinDjin Member Posts: 1,962 ★★★★★
    Is the Battlerealm flat?
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  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Member Posts: 2,817 ★★★★★
    TP33 said:

    @SummonerNR have you not seen X-Men apocalypse where Magneto uses the earths core to create a pyramid and destroy the camp where his parents were killed? Also good point. I think Hyperions flight comes from the way he uses wind and energy underneath him, it would be good to see an animation of leaves blowing under him etc.

    Or it might be like Superman's flight, since Hyperion was a copy of Superman. Superman comes from a planet with a stronger gravitational field, which is what powers his flight. But, some also theorize that Superman can create and alter his own gravimetric field, meaning that he could lower his own field to a negative value of gravity, allowing him to be repulsed by the earth, making him levitate. Hyperion's powers are similar to those of Superman, so he may also have the power to alter his own gravimetric fields and the influence of Earth's gravitational field's effects on himself.
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  • Jh_DezJh_Dez Member Posts: 1,310 ★★★
    OP the physics you're referring is indeed the physics of our world because the game engine used to develop mcoc most definitely has a system that applies it
    But what you're trying to make reference to is the design models of champions. This boils down to the champion designers. Whether they want X champ to have Y immunity or Z ability.
    And yes in comics some characters have their immunities which aren't included in the game.
  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Member Posts: 2,817 ★★★★★
    Also, kind of unrelated to physics, what exactly is Isotope-8?

    It enhances an individual's strength and vitality. This means that it influences the transcription of proteins somehow. Is it radioactive, and therefore causes mutations within one's genome, enhancing one's abilities through a direct change? Not only does it enhance an individual's powers, but it can also decrease the potency of their powers, shown by "ISO-8 corruption".

    Or is it a kind of expression inducer, which allows for a certain gene to be activated? If this is true, then every individual in the contest would have to possess a gene that would "enhance" and "diminish" one's powers.

    Or is it something else?
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  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Member Posts: 2,817 ★★★★★

    Also, kind of unrelated to physics, what exactly is Isotope-8?

    It enhances an individual's strength and vitality. This means that it influences the transcription of proteins somehow. Is it radioactive, and therefore causes mutations within one's genome, enhancing one's abilities through a direct change? Not only does it enhance an individual's powers, but it can also decrease the potency of their powers, shown by "ISO-8 corruption".

    Or is it a kind of expression inducer, which allows for a certain gene to be activated? If this is true, then every individual in the contest would have to possess a gene that would "enhance" and "diminish" one's powers.

    Or is it something else?

    I'd guess it's something else entirely. Otherwise our explanation would create a load of other problems, which most of the time means that explanation isn't too good.

    I think it's safe to say that it isn't related to genetics, considering how humans, aliens and robots alike can benefit from it.
    Oh shoot, I didn't think about robots. Hmmm, that would mean Iso-8 doesn't influence anything on a biological spectrum. Maybe something with physics? (IDK much about physics)
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  • SummonerNRSummonerNR Member, Guardian Posts: 13,440 Guardian


    If we now also consider how hyperion, superman, etc. are also fully capable of flying through space, we can't really just look at gravity anymore. Gravity by itself seems to have little to do with it.

    There needs to be a force or energy that repels them from spacetime itself, similar to how dark energy appears to repel spacetime from itself.

    Since Gravity is essentially just a curvature of space-time, those champs WOULD still be able to mimic gravity by manipulating space-time to travel thru the vacuum of space, even without the gravity of a planet or sun around them. (if that’s the thought behind their ability to fly).
    Similar to theorizing about how Warp Speed of the Enterprise works (ok, now pulling yet another fictional genre into this). In that they condense space-time in front of them, letting them move thru space at tremendous speed, without really moving very far at all.
  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Member Posts: 2,817 ★★★★★

    Also, kind of unrelated to physics, what exactly is Isotope-8?

    It enhances an individual's strength and vitality. This means that it influences the transcription of proteins somehow. Is it radioactive, and therefore causes mutations within one's genome, enhancing one's abilities through a direct change? Not only does it enhance an individual's powers, but it can also decrease the potency of their powers, shown by "ISO-8 corruption".

    Or is it a kind of expression inducer, which allows for a certain gene to be activated? If this is true, then every individual in the contest would have to possess a gene that would "enhance" and "diminish" one's powers.

    Or is it something else?

    I'd guess it's something else entirely. Otherwise our explanation would create a load of other problems, which most of the time means that explanation isn't too good.

    I think it's safe to say that it isn't related to genetics, considering how humans, aliens and robots alike can benefit from it.
    Oh shoot, I didn't think about robots. Hmmm, that would mean Iso-8 doesn't influence anything on a biological spectrum. Maybe something with physics? (IDK much about physics)
    I think we have way too little conclusive observations to answer that.

    If we knew what exactly iso 8 does, then it would be easier to try to conclude the mechanism of how it does that.

    Let's start here:

    The narrative purpose of iso 8 is a macguffin that appears to enhance the physical strength, durability, speed, powers, etc. of everyone alike, be it human, plant, alien, or robot.

    So from that iso 8 apparently needs to have either a multitude of effects, allowing it to enhance both mechanical and biological life, or, what I'd assume to be the case, to simply enhance matter.

    Massively enhancing the matter someone like black widow for example consists of would probably allow her to survive a punch from hulk.
    Maybe the different classes of ISO-8 have different effects on different individuals. That may be why tech ISO is less effective on a Skill character.

    For example, maybe Skill ISO expresses genes that regulate homeostasis mechanisms and enhances sensory perception, while Tech ISO enhances an individual's own gravitational field, allowing Robots and Cyborgs to hit harder since they weigh more.

    Of course, there are still many holes in this, but it's just fun to theorize LOL.
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  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,797 ★★★★★
    Very amusing conversation. Personally I just find the scientific exploration of this game a bit like chocolate chicken. Doesn't go. Lol.
    Still fun to read.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,797 ★★★★★
    Although I will say this. One of the best attributes a game can have, or Comics for that matter, is the perfect balance of scientific accuracy and things that defy science. It's that point between logic and fantasy that immerses you into something and engages your imagination.
  • GinjabredMonstaGinjabredMonsta Member, Guardian Posts: 6,488 Guardian
    Man, quarantine is getting people in all sorts of ways
  • spiderknight616spiderknight616 Member Posts: 671 ★★★
    Qacob said:

    Can you not just accept this is a mobile video game that doesn't need scientific analysis and move on with your life? Sheeesh

    But where's the fun in that
  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Member Posts: 2,817 ★★★★★

    Man, quarantine is getting people in all sorts of ways

    Since school was canceled, I have to exercise my brain in some way LOL.
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  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,797 ★★★★★

    Although I will say this. One of the best attributes a game can have, or Comics for that matter, is the perfect balance of scientific accuracy and things that defy science. It's that point between logic and fantasy that immerses you into something and engages your imagination.

    That's certainly fair enough. To me personally there needs to be consistency, not nessecarily consistency with how our reality works, but with how a given fictional reality works.

    If there's for example a fictional world where some kind of magic is an actual established thing, then that idea of magic needs to be consistent with itself and the world it is set in. Otherwise the given story already lost me.

    Anything that would actually defy science in our reality is still nessecarily a part of the world it is set in. So considering how science is merely a method used to describe and learn about our reality, nothing can really defy science in the world/realm/dimension/etc. it is set in.
    I feel the same way about recasting in Films, or consistency in general. Don't get me started on X-Men.
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  • TP33TP33 Member Posts: 1,714 ★★★★★
    @UmbertoDelRio @Notsavage19 to just backtrack and talk about Hyperion flight. If, as @UmbertoDelRio suggested, Hyperion flight comes from dark energy what is to say that he cannot bend dark matter around him in order to influence gravitational fields. If these black holes exist in the battle realm then dark matter/energy should exist. If Hyperion could influence dark energy it’s not too much of a leap to dark matter. If so then we could add dark energy/matter to our list of physics.
  • TP33TP33 Member Posts: 1,714 ★★★★★
    I do love how much discussion this has sparked when it comes to unknown science.
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  • TP33TP33 Member Posts: 1,714 ★★★★★
    @UmbertoDelRio dont ion thrusters emit light?
  • Pancake_FacePancake_Face Member Posts: 1,390 ★★★★
    Qacob said:

    Can you not just accept this is a mobile video game that doesn't need scientific analysis and move on with your life? Sheeesh

    why u bashing him. This is a place to put your thoughts out. U didn't have to click on this.
  • Pancake_FacePancake_Face Member Posts: 1,390 ★★★★
    @TP33 I love your posts
  • TP33TP33 Member Posts: 1,714 ★★★★★

    @TP33 I love your posts

    Why thank you
  • AleorAleor Member Posts: 3,124 ★★★★★
    You're wrong.
    The fact they stand on the ground doesn't mean it's because of gravity
    As for Newton’s 3rd law - unstoppable champs show it doesn't have it's place
  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Member Posts: 2,817 ★★★★★
    edited June 2020
    Aleor said:

    You're wrong.
    The fact they stand on the ground doesn't mean it's because of gravity
    As for Newton’s 3rd law - unstoppable champs show it doesn't have it's place

    You're forgetting that they're Unstoppable, which means that they have the ability to either absorb the force that is a result of Newton's 3rd law (and distribute it into the surroundings) or reflect it back to their opponents or even something else.
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