Question re: Diss Track and Human Torch

Colinwhitworth69

In side quest, against Longshot, was placing 3-plus incincerates on him and doing no damage. Saw at least 5 on him at one point. (Sorry I did not record this.)

What am I missing? Sunspot worked fine, BTW.

Edeuink

Were you applying nova flames?

Edeuink

Gmail12345 said:

If you activate the flame on he will do 0 damage, don’t activate his flame on and your gtg.
Usual kabam f up

Nova flames are passive effects, not debuffs, so they don’t count as debuffs for diss track.

Mirage_Turtle

Gmail12345 said:

If you activate the flame on he will do 0 damage, don’t activate his flame on and your gtg.
Usual kabam f up

This one's not on Kabam.

Colinwhitworth69

Gmail12345 said:

If you activate the flame on he will do 0 damage, don’t activate his flame on and your gtg.
Usual kabam f up

That might have been it. Thanks!

I see it now in the description, under Nova Form. Sorry to waste everyone's time.

xNig

Gmail12345 said:

Edeuink said:

Gmail12345 said:

If you activate the flame on he will do 0 damage, don’t activate his flame on and your gtg.
Usual kabam f up

Nova flames are passive effects, not debuffs, so they don’t count as debuffs for diss track.

So buffs are active and passive but debuffs are only active ?
And if so what are they called? As I’ve not heard a name for a collection of “ things” that are passive that you put on the opponent.

.... passives....

Eb0ny-O-M4w

Gmail12345 said:

Edeuink said:

Gmail12345 said:

If you activate the flame on he will do 0 damage, don’t activate his flame on and your gtg.
Usual kabam f up

Nova flames are passive effects, not debuffs, so they don’t count as debuffs for diss track.

So buffs are active and passive but debuffs are only active ?

Buffs and debuffs are always ACTIVE abilities. Neither of them are passive abilities.

Eb0ny-O-M4w

Gmail12345 said:

will-o-wisp said:

Gmail12345 said:

Edeuink said:

Gmail12345 said:

If you activate the flame on he will do 0 damage, don’t activate his flame on and your gtg.
Usual kabam f up

Nova flames are passive effects, not debuffs, so they don’t count as debuffs for diss track.

So buffs are active and passive but debuffs are only active ?

Buffs and debuffs are always ACTIVE abilities. Neither of them are passive abilities.

Imiw has a passive armour

Yes, they are passives. Not buffs.

Thicco_Mode

Gmail12345 said:

will-o-wisp said:

Gmail12345 said:

Edeuink said:

Gmail12345 said:

If you activate the flame on he will do 0 damage, don’t activate his flame on and your gtg.
Usual kabam f up

Nova flames are passive effects, not debuffs, so they don’t count as debuffs for diss track.

So buffs are active and passive but debuffs are only active ?

Buffs and debuffs are always ACTIVE abilities. Neither of them are passive abilities.

Imiw has a passive armour

and? it's a passive armor, which is neither a buff or debuff

JueVioleGrace

Gmail12345 said:

will-o-wisp said:

Gmail12345 said:

Edeuink said:

Gmail12345 said:

If you activate the flame on he will do 0 damage, don’t activate his flame on and your gtg.
Usual kabam f up

Nova flames are passive effects, not debuffs, so they don’t count as debuffs for diss track.

So buffs are active and passive but debuffs are only active ?

Buffs and debuffs are always ACTIVE abilities. Neither of them are passive abilities.

Imiw has a passive armour

Your point?

Whether it's on you or the opponent, a passive is still a passive.

Panchulon21

Gotta know the differences before blaming kabam.

If you activate a passive on a debuff immune it will trigger (hence why torch is so good against debuff immune champs on war with flame on!).

If you bleed gladiator hulk with fury he will lose health and only regen from willpower. If you activate internal bleed (after 8 bleeds) then you will trigger face me because his internal bleed is a passive effect.

xNig

Gmail12345 said:

Ebony_Naw said:

Gmail12345 said:

If you activate the flame on he will do 0 damage, don’t activate his flame on and your gtg.
Usual kabam f up

I used Fury (among others) and you have to know not to activate internal bleeds. That's a passive and therefore would not count as a debuff. If you didn't realize, then now you know. But don't blame kabam, this distinction is important for many interactions throughout the game.

So where does it say all this? Looking for the bit to explain what a buff,Dubuff and passive is? What section of the game?

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/176360/frequently-asked-questions-about-combat-and-combat-mechanics#latest

xNig

Gmail12345 said:

UmbertoDelRio said:

Gmail12345 said:

So passive means “ can be actively doing something but at the same time passive”
And there is no such thing as a “ passive buff/Dubuff” ?

What...? Passive effects are those that aren't active, or in other words effects that don't interact with abilities that strictly target active effects buffs/debuffs, like tenacity, buffet, nullify, etc.

To get this as wrong as you do one really needs to actively not inform themselves about the game they're playing.

So you can’t have a passive effect that interacts with a buff/ deduff?

How are you Cavalier?

JueVioleGrace

Gmail12345 said:

UmbertoDelRio said:

Gmail12345 said:

So passive means “ can be actively doing something but at the same time passive”
And there is no such thing as a “ passive buff/Dubuff” ?

What...? Passive effects are those that aren't active, or in other words effects that don't interact with abilities that strictly target active effects buffs/debuffs, like tenacity, buffet, nullify, etc.

To get this as wrong as you do one really needs to actively not inform themselves about the game they're playing.

So you can’t have a passive effect that interacts with a buff/ deduff?

A passive effect can't be altered in the way buffs can get nullified and debuffs shrugged off.

xNig

Gmail12345 said:

xNig said:

Gmail12345 said:

UmbertoDelRio said:

Gmail12345 said:

So passive means “ can be actively doing something but at the same time passive”
And there is no such thing as a “ passive buff/Dubuff” ?

What...? Passive effects are those that aren't active, or in other words effects that don't interact with abilities that strictly target active effects buffs/debuffs, like tenacity, buffet, nullify, etc.

To get this as wrong as you do one really needs to actively not inform themselves about the game they're playing.

So you can’t have a passive effect that interacts with a buff/ deduff?

How are you Cavalier?

Could ask the same of you

Oh. Very simple. Like this.

JueVioleGrace

xNig said:

Gmail12345 said:

xNig said:

Gmail12345 said:

UmbertoDelRio said:

Gmail12345 said:

So passive means “ can be actively doing something but at the same time passive”
And there is no such thing as a “ passive buff/Dubuff” ?

What...? Passive effects are those that aren't active, or in other words effects that don't interact with abilities that strictly target active effects buffs/debuffs, like tenacity, buffet, nullify, etc.

To get this as wrong as you do one really needs to actively not inform themselves about the game they're playing.

So you can’t have a passive effect that interacts with a buff/ deduff?

How are you Cavalier?

Could ask the same of you

Oh. Very simple. I was one of the first 100 guys to explore 6.1 for the Cavalier title.

You actually dont need to explore 6.1 to get cavalier, just need the initial completion.

xNig

Ebony_Naw said:

xNig said:

Gmail12345 said:

UmbertoDelRio said:

Gmail12345 said:

So passive means “ can be actively doing something but at the same time passive”
And there is no such thing as a “ passive buff/Dubuff” ?

What...? Passive effects are those that aren't active, or in other words effects that don't interact with abilities that strictly target active effects buffs/debuffs, like tenacity, buffet, nullify, etc.

To get this as wrong as you do one really needs to actively not inform themselves about the game they're playing.

So you can’t have a passive effect that interacts with a buff/ deduff?

How are you Cavalier?

How do you manage to see us commonfolk from your high horse?

I have good eyesight. Lol

xNig

Unknown_Traveler said:

xNig said:

Gmail12345 said:

xNig said:

Gmail12345 said:

UmbertoDelRio said:

Gmail12345 said:

So passive means “ can be actively doing something but at the same time passive”
And there is no such thing as a “ passive buff/Dubuff” ?

What...? Passive effects are those that aren't active, or in other words effects that don't interact with abilities that strictly target active effects buffs/debuffs, like tenacity, buffet, nullify, etc.

To get this as wrong as you do one really needs to actively not inform themselves about the game they're playing.

So you can’t have a passive effect that interacts with a buff/ deduff?

How are you Cavalier?

Could ask the same of you

Oh. Very simple. I was one of the first 100 guys to explore 6.1 for the Cavalier title.

You actually dont need to explore 6.1 to get cavalier, just need the initial completion.

Yeah. Which is a problem because there are really really new inexperienced players getting the title, then crapping on Kabam for their own lack of knowledge.