I love the new war match making.

Spicyslicer

My alliance vs a different alliance. How the hell are they gold two. I knew match making was broke. But damn. We’re fight alliance that cannot even get into part two of our defense.

How many rewards did we miss all this time now?

Only reason we all stayed together was we like each other and have fun joking around. But now we see we all were getting screwed. Thanks for fixing aw for us. Teams half of our strength and ranked the same made no sense.

Bonzodavid

Your war rating is the same. So that's how ot should be. Aw matchmaking is now about your war eating and not your prestige or alliance rating as it should be.

SpideyFunko

it’s going to take a bit to sort itself out.

xNig

Mike439 said:

Gmonkey said:

Do you think they deserved the same rating as you?

Nah. Smaller alliances don’t deserve to be ranking the same as larger ones. At least with war being everyone vs everyone. Skill will get you far but roster depth will eventually be a roadblock, as it should be.

If they want to make separate brackets based on prestige/alliance rating then that’s a different discussion.

Then the lower brackets will complain and say that they’re “skilled” (I always laugh when I hear them say that) and should be allowed to compete for higher end rewards.

And also, where should the cutoffs be?

Set it at 10k? The 9.9ks will complain.

8.5k? The 8.4ks will complain.

7k? The 6.9ks will complain.

There’s no way ANY cutoff will make everyone happy.

Frosty

Spicyslicer said:

My alliance vs a different alliance. How the hell are they gold two. I knew match making was broke. But damn. We’re fight alliance that cannot even get into part two of our defense.

How many rewards did we miss all this time now?

Only reason we all stayed together was we like each other and have fun joking around. But now we see we all were getting screwed. Thanks for fixing aw for us. Teams half of our strength and ranked the same made no sense.

They're gold 2 from the broken system we used to have when they should have been higher. You're gold 2 from the same broken system when you should have been lower.

Things are gradually going to balance out

xNig

Frosty said:

Spicyslicer said:

My alliance vs a different alliance. How the hell are they gold two. I knew match making was broke. But damn. We’re fight alliance that cannot even get into part two of our defense.

How many rewards did we miss all this time now?

Only reason we all stayed together was we like each other and have fun joking around. But now we see we all were getting screwed. Thanks for fixing aw for us. Teams half of our strength and ranked the same made no sense.

They're gold 2 from the broken system we used to have when they should have been higher. You're gold 2 from the same broken system when you should have been lower.

Things are gradually going to balance out

Actually it’s quite the opposite. Lol. OP should have been higher and opponents lower. That’s why he loves the new system. 😂

Anonymous346

Feel sorry for the opponents


Funny thing is, we’re the same rating

Menkent

I'm enjoying it so far too. Keep fighting alliances that were multiple tiers above us last season but way smaller than us. Each war so far our opponent has been a little stronger. I'd give us one more before we catch someone bigger&better than we are and get clapped... as it should be! Compare this to last season where we lose three in a row to 35-40m alliances in gold3, then face a 43m alliance in our next war.

Frosty

xNig said:

Frosty said:

Spicyslicer said:

My alliance vs a different alliance. How the hell are they gold two. I knew match making was broke. But damn. We’re fight alliance that cannot even get into part two of our defense.

How many rewards did we miss all this time now?

Only reason we all stayed together was we like each other and have fun joking around. But now we see we all were getting screwed. Thanks for fixing aw for us. Teams half of our strength and ranked the same made no sense.

They're gold 2 from the broken system we used to have when they should have been higher. You're gold 2 from the same broken system when you should have been lower.

Things are gradually going to balance out

Actually it’s quite the opposite. Lol. OP should have been higher and opponents lower. That’s why he loves the new system. 😂

Fair enough. I assumed this was another complaint thread of the new matchmaking as opposed to a display at how bad the old one was.

Mr_Platypus

I’m enjoying it too, just beat some supposed plat 4 alliance 3 boss kills to none... them ranking above us when we can perform so much better (in our first Tier 5 war in a long while too) just shows the flaws of the old system.

GroundedWisdom

It's not completely fair. If it was, people wouldn't keep pointing out their Matches.

GroundedWisdom

Mike439 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

It's not completely fair. If it was, people wouldn't keep pointing out their Matches.

Depends on your definition of fair.
It IS FAIR to say that if you’re fighting the the same war rating then the size of the alliance doesn’t matter since you’re higher than you should be or they’re lower than they should be and one of you needs to move up or down.

People are just mad they can’t get easy matches and get top tier rewards. You want number 1? Fight number 1.

No. People are mad that they're not getting Matches they have a chance to win because between last Season and this Season, the system was flipped. Saying they just want big Rewards for less effort is ignoring the actual issue here. It's not about the Rewards. It's about the system that's placing them in these overly-biased Matches.

Jim0172

Some of the people complaining would lose to the alliance rated higher than them even if they switched rosters. It's more about experience with much harder content, skill, and alliance organization than it is the size of the alliance.

Monk1

War rating is war rating. Nothing else should matter so it is Great the finally fixed it - once everyone finds their natural position they the issue created for last few seasons will be gone

-sixate-

GroundedWisdom said:

Mike439 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Mike439 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Mike439 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

It's not completely fair. If it was, people wouldn't keep pointing out their Matches.

Depends on your definition of fair.
It IS FAIR to say that if you’re fighting the the same war rating then the size of the alliance doesn’t matter since you’re higher than you should be or they’re lower than they should be and one of you needs to move up or down.

People are just mad they can’t get easy matches and get top tier rewards. You want number 1? Fight number 1.

No. People are mad that they're not getting Matches they have a chance to win because between last Season and this Season, the system was flipped. Saying they just want big Rewards for less effort is ignoring the actual issue here. It's not about the Rewards. It's about the system that's placing them in these overly-biased Matches.

You can’t honestly say a 20M alliance should get the same rewards as a 40M alliance just because they had easier matches the whole way. It’s just ridiculous “everyone’s a winner” type thinking.

Did I say anything about the Rewards? I'm talking about the Matches. Not the Rewards. Yes, there should absolutely be something preventing Matches that are vastly outnumbered.

Stop covering up rewards with the matches. It’s nonsense. You don’t care about winning unless you care about rewards.

You want easier matches, that means you’ll get better rewards than the larger alliances facing other large alliances.

If you keep winning you face progressively harder alliances under this new system. IT IS FAIR. Once you start losing 2-3 times in a row then all it means is you started punching higher than you really could.

Obviously it’s a new system so it isn’t as balanced yet but it will be.

That's not a cover up. That's the one-sided view of the opposition. You don't see them complaining about wanting Rewards. You see them complaining that the system they grew to trust would place them in appropriate Matches is now setting them up to lose. The only ones obsessed with the Rewards are the ones saying everything is okay.

But it didn't place them in appropriate matches. It placed them in weak matches that allowed them to climb past alliances they never should have. You can't expect better rewards than a 40m alliance if you can't punch at their level. My alliance finished S3 last season. We easily beat a P3 alliance last war. So I clearly wasn't getting appropriate matches for a long time. Our opponents were way stronger than us, it was ridiculous to be honest. It will level out.

DNA3000

GroundedWisdom said:

Mike439 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

It's not completely fair. If it was, people wouldn't keep pointing out their Matches.

Depends on your definition of fair.
It IS FAIR to say that if you’re fighting the the same war rating then the size of the alliance doesn’t matter since you’re higher than you should be or they’re lower than they should be and one of you needs to move up or down.

People are just mad they can’t get easy matches and get top tier rewards. You want number 1? Fight number 1.

No. People are mad that they're not getting Matches they have a chance to win because between last Season and this Season, the system was flipped. Saying they just want big Rewards for less effort is ignoring the actual issue here. It's not about the Rewards. It's about the system that's placing them in these overly-biased Matches.

One of the best properties of the current system is that it automatically eliminates mismatches over time, and with it all the complaints about mismatches. I'm sure there are a lot of people who currently value the meta benefit almost as high as the direct one.

little_known

New matchmaking is amazing. We started gold one and have been last few seasons.

Now we are top of platinum 4. One more war we will be platinum 3 - and we haven’t even come to close to a fair matchup yet.

So many missed rewards due to smaller alliances facing off amongst themselves. Really glad this is fixed.

I had no idea how unfair and unbalanced the previous system was.

little_known

Spicyslicer said:

DNA3000 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Mike439 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

It's not completely fair. If it was, people wouldn't keep pointing out their Matches.

Depends on your definition of fair.
It IS FAIR to say that if you’re fighting the the same war rating then the size of the alliance doesn’t matter since you’re higher than you should be or they’re lower than they should be and one of you needs to move up or down.

People are just mad they can’t get easy matches and get top tier rewards. You want number 1? Fight number 1.

No. People are mad that they're not getting Matches they have a chance to win because between last Season and this Season, the system was flipped. Saying they just want big Rewards for less effort is ignoring the actual issue here. It's not about the Rewards. It's about the system that's placing them in these overly-biased Matches.

One of the best properties of the current system is that it automatically eliminates mismatches over time, and with it all the complaints about mismatches. I'm sure there are a lot of people who currently value the meta benefit almost as high as the direct one.

Our opponent in this war until this season didn’t know how much bigger alliances and more powerful ones were getting screwed. I wish I took a pic of our chats. They were surprised we had r3 6*s, and every defender was at least a 6* or 5* r5.

While They had some 4*s and 5* r3s. They were nice about it and even fought as hard as they could. They didn’t just give up in the end. They didn’t use units but took it as an opportunity for improvement in themselves.

Well the one person I chatted with. When I told them I was making this thread, but asked to black out names

That’s a nice story - I hope your opponents that lost do well this season once they find their natural place.

So many really great alliances playing this game. It’s the good people that make this game.

TheTalents

I'm honestly starting to believe that the real reason most of hated war as much as we did is because we been stuck getting the wrong rewards for 10 plus seasons lol.

Little_Crocodili29

OP touched on a very good point! Not only the matches in war will finally be fair, and therefore the standings, but it will be a reality check to so many ppl.

How many times while recruiting I either saw, or chatted to folks with 4* or 5* R3 profiles looking for a G1 or even a Plat alli... and very self assured too.

I know some ppl can do some fights with 3*, the whole spiel over "skill" and so forth. But reality is they were deluded and I knew they didn't have the defenders, let alone the attackers, to tackle our 35-37 mil war opponents in our humble G2 bubble.

Not to mention the occasional recruits who actually had a nice profile, and talked the big talk of having T4/5 experience, just to be totally trashed by diversity opponents in nothing nodes in section 1, playing T8 with us -_- Used to blow my mind. Now I understand better what went on.