Is havok top 5 mutant?

A lot of people think he is, but many underrate him. He has high DPS, heal block with despair, insane burst, incinerate immunity.....
I personally think he is top 5 mutant. I want to know your opinion.

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Rockypantherx

In my opinion (remember that before you kill me), Havok is vastly overrated. Large parts of his utility are fairly niche.

His damage, while the big number looks good, has a slow buildup so most other good champions have already beaten the fight.

If I were to rank the mutants it would look something like this:

Omega Red
Archangel
Colossus
Emma Frost
Domino
Namor
Sunspot
Havok/Storm X

As you can see, I do not value Havok. I have at R4 as a 5*, was really excited to pull him, but he has collected dust for about 18 months now. I used him for two paths in Act 6 and was it. And if you’re wondering why I put him and Storm X at the same level, you, or the videos you’ve seen of her, are playing her wrong.

Also, anyone putting Sunspot or Havok above Emma is nuts.
That is so not true. As soon as you get to an s1 the dmg will start getting good. A good havok player can have their foe constantly ticking for around 2k.
Beating rol ws in 40ish hits and a time of around 1.20 which isnt the best but certainly not bad either. Hes energy resistent. Incinerate immune. His mediums and heavy dont make contact so hes my fav korg counter. Solo korg on node 23 in aw every war hes there usually with ez. Thats mix master. Ociliate and gain prowess buffs like its christmas.

To sum up Havoks awesome and just because you dont know how to use a champ to the fullest doesnt make them a bad champ
I do know how to use Havok. God knows I’ve watched every video I can to squeeze something somewhat impressive out of him. And I’m sorry, but I don’t see it. And he’s definitely not beating winter soldier in 40 hits. 1 min 20s is accurate though.

His energy resistance is the only use I’ve gotten out of him. His non contact mediums are nice, but honestly, outside of thorns and korg it doesn’t do much. If it was like Omega’s and negated passive damage like Magik’s limbo, then yeah, I would value him a lot higher. Incinerate immunity is nice, but it’s possibly the least useful immunity outside of coldsnap immunity. You didn’t even mention he can negate healing with Despair, which is a big portion of his utility. But there are a lot of better options for that and you need to trade it on for your damage on the SP3

I’m not saying Havok’s a bad champion, but god, I would take most mutants over him

And yeah, feedback damage is nice. But there are a lot of matchups where getting that off is going to be difficult. Any debuff immune matchup will shut it down, shrug off, energy resistance, hell, even stun immune or limber is going to make it more difficult.
you say you know how to but then you say stuff like " def not beating ws in 40 hits" like you didnt even bother to double check on YT beforehand, i know KT1 got one out with 42 hits since you cant take my word for it. like i said, a great havok player have them constantly ticking on the feedback
I say that because I’ve done WS playing Havok like KT1 plays him and it’s well above 40 hits. In fact I did it today to check and it was well over 40 hits. Mine is a R4, but it shouldn’t be as high as it actually is.

R4 unawakened. Unless he’s gaining 100% attack somewhere, he’s not doing that in 40 hits

The whole hit argument is trivial anyway, time is what matters. Aside from abyss, but Havok is not good for abyss. It’s time. And while he’s not slow, he is not near the top

SwarmOfRavens

In my opinion (remember that before you kill me), Havok is vastly overrated. Large parts of his utility are fairly niche.

His damage, while the big number looks good, has a slow buildup so most other good champions have already beaten the fight.

If I were to rank the mutants it would look something like this:

Omega Red
Archangel
Colossus
Emma Frost
Domino
Namor
Sunspot
Havok/Storm X

As you can see, I do not value Havok. I have at R4 as a 5*, was really excited to pull him, but he has collected dust for about 18 months now. I used him for two paths in Act 6 and was it. And if you’re wondering why I put him and Storm X at the same level, you, or the videos you’ve seen of her, are playing her wrong.

Also, anyone putting Sunspot or Havok above Emma is nuts.
That is so not true. As soon as you get to an s1 the dmg will start getting good. A good havok player can have their foe constantly ticking for around 2k.
Beating rol ws in 40ish hits and a time of around 1.20 which isnt the best but certainly not bad either. Hes energy resistent. Incinerate immune. His mediums and heavy dont make contact so hes my fav korg counter. Solo korg on node 23 in aw every war hes there usually with ez. Thats mix master. Ociliate and gain prowess buffs like its christmas.

To sum up Havoks awesome and just because you dont know how to use a champ to the fullest doesnt make them a bad champ
I do know how to use Havok. God knows I’ve watched every video I can to squeeze something somewhat impressive out of him. And I’m sorry, but I don’t see it. And he’s definitely not beating winter soldier in 40 hits. 1 min 20s is accurate though.

His energy resistance is the only use I’ve gotten out of him. His non contact mediums are nice, but honestly, outside of thorns and korg it doesn’t do much. If it was like Omega’s and negated passive damage like Magik’s limbo, then yeah, I would value him a lot higher. Incinerate immunity is nice, but it’s possibly the least useful immunity outside of coldsnap immunity. You didn’t even mention he can negate healing with Despair, which is a big portion of his utility. But there are a lot of better options for that and you need to trade it on for your damage on the SP3

I’m not saying Havok’s a bad champion, but god, I would take most mutants over him

And yeah, feedback damage is nice. But there are a lot of matchups where getting that off is going to be difficult. Any debuff immune matchup will shut it down, shrug off, energy resistance, hell, even stun immune or limber is going to make it more difficult.
you say you know how to but then you say stuff like " def not beating ws in 40 hits" like you didnt even bother to double check on YT beforehand, i know KT1 got one out with 42 hits since you cant take my word for it. like i said, a great havok player have them constantly ticking on the feedback
I say that because I’ve done WS playing Havok like KT1 plays him and it’s well above 40 hits. In fact I did it today to check and it was well over 40 hits. Mine is a R4, but it shouldn’t be as high as it actually is.

R4 unawakened. Unless he’s gaining 100% attack somewhere, he’s not doing that in 40 hits

The whole hit argument is trivial anyway, time is what matters. Aside from abyss, but Havok is not good for abyss. It’s time. And while he’s not slow, he is not near the top

How are you going to use a r4 unawakened havok as your benchmark??
I can get him down in 51 hits with my r5 Sig 40 and I don't run suicides
Time does matter but he's not as slow as people make him out to be. Wasp synergy greatly cuts ramp up time

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Rockypantherx

In my opinion (remember that before you kill me), Havok is vastly overrated. Large parts of his utility are fairly niche.

His damage, while the big number looks good, has a slow buildup so most other good champions have already beaten the fight.

If I were to rank the mutants it would look something like this:

Omega Red
Archangel
Colossus
Emma Frost
Domino
Namor
Sunspot
Havok/Storm X

As you can see, I do not value Havok. I have at R4 as a 5*, was really excited to pull him, but he has collected dust for about 18 months now. I used him for two paths in Act 6 and was it. And if you’re wondering why I put him and Storm X at the same level, you, or the videos you’ve seen of her, are playing her wrong.

Also, anyone putting Sunspot or Havok above Emma is nuts.
That is so not true. As soon as you get to an s1 the dmg will start getting good. A good havok player can have their foe constantly ticking for around 2k.
Beating rol ws in 40ish hits and a time of around 1.20 which isnt the best but certainly not bad either. Hes energy resistent. Incinerate immune. His mediums and heavy dont make contact so hes my fav korg counter. Solo korg on node 23 in aw every war hes there usually with ez. Thats mix master. Ociliate and gain prowess buffs like its christmas.

To sum up Havoks awesome and just because you dont know how to use a champ to the fullest doesnt make them a bad champ
I do know how to use Havok. God knows I’ve watched every video I can to squeeze something somewhat impressive out of him. And I’m sorry, but I don’t see it. And he’s definitely not beating winter soldier in 40 hits. 1 min 20s is accurate though.

His energy resistance is the only use I’ve gotten out of him. His non contact mediums are nice, but honestly, outside of thorns and korg it doesn’t do much. If it was like Omega’s and negated passive damage like Magik’s limbo, then yeah, I would value him a lot higher. Incinerate immunity is nice, but it’s possibly the least useful immunity outside of coldsnap immunity. You didn’t even mention he can negate healing with Despair, which is a big portion of his utility. But there are a lot of better options for that and you need to trade it on for your damage on the SP3

I’m not saying Havok’s a bad champion, but god, I would take most mutants over him

And yeah, feedback damage is nice. But there are a lot of matchups where getting that off is going to be difficult. Any debuff immune matchup will shut it down, shrug off, energy resistance, hell, even stun immune or limber is going to make it more difficult.
you say you know how to but then you say stuff like " def not beating ws in 40 hits" like you didnt even bother to double check on YT beforehand, i know KT1 got one out with 42 hits since you cant take my word for it. like i said, a great havok player have them constantly ticking on the feedback
I say that because I’ve done WS playing Havok like KT1 plays him and it’s well above 40 hits. In fact I did it today to check and it was well over 40 hits. Mine is a R4, but it shouldn’t be as high as it actually is.

R4 unawakened. Unless he’s gaining 100% attack somewhere, he’s not doing that in 40 hits

The whole hit argument is trivial anyway, time is what matters. Aside from abyss, but Havok is not good for abyss. It’s time. And while he’s not slow, he is not near the top

@Rockypantherx why do you keep saying that? I literally gave you the link of him doing it in 42 hits.

Fine. He can do it in 42 hits. Congratulations.

It’s a shame time is what matters though, especially in a champ that uses damage over time that doesn’t affect the hit count.

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SpideyFunko

what are these lists?

1. Deadpool X-Force
2. Cyclops Blue
3. Cyclops Red
4. Magento
5. Magento Marvel Now
6. Gambit
7. Storm
8. Cable
9. Beast
10. Nightcrawler

Havok doesn’t come close
U miss psylocke

In all seriousness, Psylocke is actually good. Just ask @MegaSkater67

SpideyFunko

Also, you guys need to stop arguing.

i’m running out of popcorn

Rockypantherx

In my opinion (remember that before you kill me), Havok is vastly overrated. Large parts of his utility are fairly niche.

His damage, while the big number looks good, has a slow buildup so most other good champions have already beaten the fight.

If I were to rank the mutants it would look something like this:

Omega Red
Archangel
Colossus
Emma Frost
Domino
Namor
Sunspot
Havok/Storm X

As you can see, I do not value Havok. I have at R4 as a 5*, was really excited to pull him, but he has collected dust for about 18 months now. I used him for two paths in Act 6 and was it. And if you’re wondering why I put him and Storm X at the same level, you, or the videos you’ve seen of her, are playing her wrong.

Also, anyone putting Sunspot or Havok above Emma is nuts.
That is so not true. As soon as you get to an s1 the dmg will start getting good. A good havok player can have their foe constantly ticking for around 2k.
Beating rol ws in 40ish hits and a time of around 1.20 which isnt the best but certainly not bad either. Hes energy resistent. Incinerate immune. His mediums and heavy dont make contact so hes my fav korg counter. Solo korg on node 23 in aw every war hes there usually with ez. Thats mix master. Ociliate and gain prowess buffs like its christmas.

To sum up Havoks awesome and just because you dont know how to use a champ to the fullest doesnt make them a bad champ
I do know how to use Havok. God knows I’ve watched every video I can to squeeze something somewhat impressive out of him. And I’m sorry, but I don’t see it. And he’s definitely not beating winter soldier in 40 hits. 1 min 20s is accurate though.

His energy resistance is the only use I’ve gotten out of him. His non contact mediums are nice, but honestly, outside of thorns and korg it doesn’t do much. If it was like Omega’s and negated passive damage like Magik’s limbo, then yeah, I would value him a lot higher. Incinerate immunity is nice, but it’s possibly the least useful immunity outside of coldsnap immunity. You didn’t even mention he can negate healing with Despair, which is a big portion of his utility. But there are a lot of better options for that and you need to trade it on for your damage on the SP3

I’m not saying Havok’s a bad champion, but god, I would take most mutants over him

And yeah, feedback damage is nice. But there are a lot of matchups where getting that off is going to be difficult. Any debuff immune matchup will shut it down, shrug off, energy resistance, hell, even stun immune or limber is going to make it more difficult.
you say you know how to but then you say stuff like " def not beating ws in 40 hits" like you didnt even bother to double check on YT beforehand, i know KT1 got one out with 42 hits since you cant take my word for it. like i said, a great havok player have them constantly ticking on the feedback
I say that because I’ve done WS playing Havok like KT1 plays him and it’s well above 40 hits. In fact I did it today to check and it was well over 40 hits. Mine is a R4, but it shouldn’t be as high as it actually is.

R4 unawakened. Unless he’s gaining 100% attack somewhere, he’s not doing that in 40 hits

The whole hit argument is trivial anyway, time is what matters. Aside from abyss, but Havok is not good for abyss. It’s time. And while he’s not slow, he is not near the top

@Rockypantherx why do you keep saying that? I literally gave you the link of him doing it in 42 hits.
Fine. He can do it in 42 hits. Congratulations.

It’s a shame time is what matters though, especially in a champ that uses damage over time that doesn’t affect the hit count.
I agree that time matters aswell. But its not like 1.20 is a bad time and thats the time from my unduped r2. But then again i was never using his dmg or dps as his biggest selling points. Hes got a lot going for him and again you dont have to personally like using him to see hes s great champ. We all have different views on who we like to play which is a good thing. It used to be sw and then everyone else and im glad we are beyond that

He is a great champ, and his damage isn’t too shabby, I wouldn’t take that away from him. I just think his utility is somewhat situational and there are a lot better options within the mutant class. And I actually don’t mind using Havok, I just don’t find myself using him at all.

I’ll conclude with this. Havok isn’t a bad champ, I’m not saying that at all. But I don’t think he’s top 5 mutant. Not because he’s a bad champ but I just think a lot of of the other top mutants hold much more value in general than he does.

But I suppose that comes down to your individual roster, and what you take in AW/AQ. I should have made that clearer to begin with.

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Lunae

It’s hard to classify mutants like Archangel, Sunspot and Havok honesty. When they have their perfect match ups theyre unmatched in their abilities, but otherwise heavily neutered, but an argument could be made Havok less so then the other 2.

Against champions with full immunities AAs a dud, against stun immune champs SS isn’t at his best. Havok while hampered by stun immune fights is still less so then SS so this could put him ahead, but again going back to the beginning, when they’re at their best they’re the best at what they do and in this scenario I’d probably put SS above Havok in non stun immune fights and even then it’s not by much.

Ultimately regardless of this Havok does have more utility then SS which while he may have a bit longer build up time, I think maybe, that sacrifice in time none the less still doesn’t put SS ahead of Havok in my opinion. Basically Havok is less niche then AA or Sunspot in that he has less limitations and a greater variety of fights he can do while maintaining his high damage and utility. I’d argue AA isn’t that amazing against stun immune fights just due to block damage, compound that with b&p immunity and he falls under Havok.

Now just within the mutant class Bishop, Havok, Namor, maybe Domino, maybe Archangel could take a champion like Magik, depending of how thicc she is. Against Electro this list shrinks to Omega Red, Namor, Bishop, Havok, maybe Archangel, again depending all on that electric booty. Against bleed and poison the list shrinks even more to Omega Red, Namor, maybe Archangel, maybe Domino and here Havok is finally bumped off. This would lead me to put Omega Red and Namor above most of the mutants, but regardless of this Colsusus just in raw damage holds his own in places like labyrinth and apparently abyss which is nothing to write off especially combined with his immunities. Throw in a Mephisto fight and Omega Red falls to the two. I’ve always questioned Dominos beyond god tier status honestly, but I wouldn’t put her above Colossus, against champions like Namor and Omega her high burst damage is her saving grace in that she could potential end a fight before being taken down by any bleeds, poisons and Magiks, but I can’t say I’d still put her above either.

With all this in mind my top 5, in no particular order, Omega Red, Namor, Colossus, Domino with Havok and Archangel fighting for the last spot.

Tldr Bishop is king