Cavalier difficulty breakdown, the Good, the Bad and the Ugly - TEXT WALL incoming

MauledMauled Posts: 2,644 ★★★★★
edited September 2020 in General Discussion
I'll preface this with the comment that I'm approaching this from two perspectives. Firstly as a pretty endgame account and I'd like to think I'm pretty good at the game now. Between my 5/6*s I'm only really missing Quake and Magik (that I really want) and I'm sitting around 27 R5/R2 - so I can cover 99% of what the game throws at me with my roster, except that 6.3 Mysterio. The second perspective is from my 4* Roster which is truly pathetic as I was gifted with fantastic 5* from my very first so I never bothered investing or ranking them up - I have 10 R5 4*, so in terms of utility I have a pretty limited roster, I figure that factoring in my experience, this probably equates to new Cavaliers getting through with a limited R4 5* roster. For the 4* challenge I didn't want to rank up any champions so that it would be as 'authentic' as possible, so there was a lot of shoehorning with my teams, they weren't optimal, I had a bit of luck in having NF, Medusa, CapIW and G2099 ranked up already or I think I really would have struggled.

This is my 4* roster:


THE GOOD
I think Kabam are going in the right direction with the node design - the positive nodes to encourage certain play styles was brilliant and should be feature more elsewhere in the future, with the exception of the Tech and Mutant one, they were red herrings and I just ignored them. For the most part the class nodes synergised fairly well with the path nodes and the boss encounters didn't require anything completely counter to the team that you needed for the path. The attack values were reasonable, and the champion/node placement was quite intuitive for the most part - there weren't really many placements of champions that just didn't make sense.
I really liked the idea of the special objective, it adds a level of spice to players who are at the endgame and the final reward at the end is equally spicy. I would have liked a selector but that's probably me being greedy. I'm not sure what direction they're going to go with these next month but honestly I would be up for more 4* challenges though 4* are a touch expensive to rank for what you use them for. I'd do a 3* challenge for a fully formed T5CC *wink wink*.
There were four exceptions to this in my eyes: the Medusa and Magik quests and the Warlock and Scarlet Witch bosses. Some of this is picky - namely the two bosses, but the others isn't.

THE BAD

1.1 - Warlock
The first quest I thought was fun, I don't mind polka dot power and most skill champs cause DoT and it was easy enough to bring a meh champion up to a good power level with the expired debuffs (I explored a lane with classic BP for fun later and he was doing good damage). My only problem was with the Warlock boss. Now I'm not a fan of fighting him in general to be honest, I just don't enjoy degen. I found him/it? to be the hardest fight outside of Apocalypse because you really do need someone like Medusa, Vision Aarkus or I guess Magneto (yay!) to turn him off. I got about 60% off on my first try with Medusa, ultimately degenerated killed me when my armour shatters failed to reapply.

1.2 - Medusa
Diss track is annoying at the best of times, it limits the pool of champions that you can use massively. The likes of a high sig Cap, Nick Fury, Human Torch or Void are probably the best options, I suppose you could shoe horn someone like Black Panther into the mix but let's be honest, a lot of the other high-debuff applying champions are pretty meh. I breezed through this with a combination of my NF and CapIW, though parry-heavy for close to 1.2m hit points with a 4* was pretty tedious. If there had been something attached to the science node that let you debuff on intercepts or parries or something like that, or even a player version of close encounters for example (keep close and apply debuffs over time), I think it would have been a far more enjoyable experience. Also, shifting immunities and diss track should never been present at the same time. Frankly shifting immunities is just a bleh node. I used NF and Cap for Medusa, she was easy enough to deal with without having parry active.

2.1 - Scarlet Witch
Scarlet Witch was on the tech quest - no problem with that, poison immunity can be important for her and a lot of techs are double immune, makes sense. What didn't make sense about this fight to me was putting footloose in combination with the nullify node. All of the best counters to footloose and SW together aren't tech, realistically the best counter is either CapIW, She hulk or power locking. If this had been on the science path, I'd have said great, spot on. She wasn't a particularly hard fight, just slow with the crit resistance. I used Magik for her as I don't have her as a 5* and this was a chance to play with different toys. It took me over 300 hits but I did get the one shot. It's not a bad fight, I just don't think it meshed very well with the theme of the quest.

3.1 - Magik
I think that putting Biohazard over an entire map was a bit much, especially with the mutant global being virtually pointless as it didn't seem to actually work with OR, who's pretty much the only mutant who can survive it. Ultimately I did it with my 4* G2099 - my only bleed immune - and it took me a couple of attempts to do that line. I approached Magik knowing that I didn't have a proper counter to her and that it was likely that a single cycle of her limbo damage would probably kill me. I used Magik for her, I pushed her to 90% of a bar of power and basically parried to two bars of power (RIP my health bar), then SP2 intercepted her and did stand up intercepts and backdrafts once she was cornered. She took me 4 revives total I think.

THE UGLY
This paragraph could also be in good to be honest, as divisive as it is. I didn't mind how the rewards are now spread out across the chapters, I can see the logic behind it too - I think the idea is that the player completes and explores ch1, then ch2, then ch3 rather than getting completion then exploring ch1/2. My biggest problem with this is that outside of Professor X and Apocalypse there was very little differentiation in difficulty between ch1 and ch2 in terms of the bosses then it jumped through the roof with Magik. I think that there's a reward balance between a player doing 7 runs through ch1 and 1 run through the whole MEQ that needs to be adjusted in favour of completion because let's face it, we all want to complete the quest.

To clarify, I like the new structure, but not the balance. If I'm honest, the rewards could be buffed a little bit to make it more enticing, I explored it for the T5CC, not the shards. I think a more generous sprinkling of 6* shards and 5* sig stones would have been good. I think that a good balance between the two reward structures could be to give the harder paths a hefty path reward, so you can balance easy and hard completion with immediate rewards or taking the easy route to get the measure of the boss and coming back later for extra loot.



My final marks - 7/10, rewards could be spicier, I think it's a good start and we should remember that this is only their first iteration, I fully expect that there will be tweaks next month.

Comments

  • BulmktBulmkt Posts: 654 ★★★
    Nice write up, Mauled.

    Personally for me, I would have just used the same nodes in uncollected and just made an appropriate bump up in HP/Attack for the A.I. Opponents.

    The loot should be twice what uncollected pays out. Easy, simple fix

    They need to remove the niche aspects to the monthly Cav EQ
  • Ebony_NawEbony_Naw Posts: 1,790 ★★★★★
    Bulmkt said:

    Nice write up, Mauled.

    Personally for me, I would have just used the same nodes in uncollected and just made an appropriate bump up in HP/Attack for the A.I. Opponents.

    The loot should be twice what uncollected pays out. Easy, simple fix

    They need to remove the niche aspects to the monthly Cav EQ

    Really? That's so boring. Niche imo is when there are fewer than a handful of characters who can ideally do the fight. Ignoring the buffs, there are always a whole slew of champs that can do a fight. There's nothing unique about biohazard, and I could list a dozen champs that could counter diss track and buffed up.

    If you're a newly minted cavalier player, then you set your expectations too high thinking you could explore it easily. But I can definitely understand the frustration given the change to completion rewards.
  • MauledMauled Posts: 2,644 ★★★★★
    edited September 2020
    Ebony_Naw said:

    Bulmkt said:

    Nice write up, Mauled.

    Personally for me, I would have just used the same nodes in uncollected and just made an appropriate bump up in HP/Attack for the A.I. Opponents.

    The loot should be twice what uncollected pays out. Easy, simple fix

    They need to remove the niche aspects to the monthly Cav EQ

    Really? That's so boring. Niche imo is when there are fewer than a handful of characters who can ideally do the fight. Ignoring the buffs, there are always a whole slew of champs that can do a fight. There's nothing unique about biohazard, and I could list a dozen champs that could counter diss track and buffed up.

    If you're a newly minted cavalier player, then you set your expectations too high thinking you could explore it easily. But I can definitely understand the frustration given the change to completion rewards.
    To use biohazard as an example, I don’t mind biohazard in and of itself - there’s plenty of champions that synergise very well with it. I think the issue is that there’s 6 quest lines that are pretty stacked that you have to complete on biohazard. On top of that the boss doesn’t make sense with the biohazard roster requirements - in my exploration runs I took OR/Colossus/Ghost/Blade/Torch. Blade and torch were for Magik. If the mutant node has worked as I think they intended - ie you’re getting constant bleeds but they’re not doing too much damage to you, if anything boosting your health from willpower and providing a fury in the process it would have been no sweat at all. I went in with Domino to test it and I was on about 20% by the time I finished the first fight and the furies didn’t really seem to do much.

    Re completion vs exploration, I think that a fat path reward might be the answer to some of the exploration/completion issues. In terms of my own MEQ progression, I think my first UC I managed to complete ch2 and explore ch1. Next month I managed to complete the event and exploration of Ch1+2. I think it actually took me 3 months to be at a stage where I could consistently explore the event. I think my progression path favoured the new layout
  • qartweliqartweli Posts: 518 ★★★
    edited September 2020
    Scarlet boss was actually nerfed with crit resistance on her
    She never ever poisons u

    Good design and i liked every right
    But for a monthly quest 10 hours for one difficulty is extreme
  • Ebony_NawEbony_Naw Posts: 1,790 ★★★★★
    Mauled said:

    Ebony_Naw said:

    Bulmkt said:

    Nice write up, Mauled.

    Personally for me, I would have just used the same nodes in uncollected and just made an appropriate bump up in HP/Attack for the A.I. Opponents.

    The loot should be twice what uncollected pays out. Easy, simple fix

    They need to remove the niche aspects to the monthly Cav EQ

    Really? That's so boring. Niche imo is when there are fewer than a handful of characters who can ideally do the fight. Ignoring the buffs, there are always a whole slew of champs that can do a fight. There's nothing unique about biohazard, and I could list a dozen champs that could counter diss track and buffed up.

    If you're a newly minted cavalier player, then you set your expectations too high thinking you could explore it easily. But I can definitely understand the frustration given the change to completion rewards.
    To use biohazard as an example, I don’t mind biohazard in and of itself - there’s plenty of champions that synergise very well with it. I think the issue is that there’s 6 quest lines that are pretty stacked that you have to complete on biohazard. On top of that the boss doesn’t make sense with the biohazard roster requirements - in my exploration runs I took OR/Colossus/Ghost/Blade/Torch. Blade and torch were for Magik. If the mutant node has worked as I think they intended - ie you’re getting constant bleeds but they’re not doing too much damage to you, if anything boosting your health from willpower and providing a fury in the process it would have been no sweat at all. I went in with Domino to test it and I was on about 20% by the time I finished the first fight and the furies didn’t really seem to do much.

    Re completion vs exploration, I think that a fat path reward might be the answer to some of the exploration/completion issues. In terms of my own MEQ progression, I think my first UC I managed to complete ch2 and explore ch1. Next month I managed to complete the event and exploration of Ch1+2. I think it actually took me 3 months to be at a stage where I could consistently explore the event. I think my progression path favoured the new layout
    Yeah I agree that EVERY path having biohazard was annoying, and the node design didn't do enough for most mutants. But I'd prefer them to err on the side of cautious creativity than the boring old boost attack and health, add a random node, and call it a day.

    And none of the global buffs really fit with the boss at the end (warlock with bleed especially). I think you have a very well-reasoned post. I was directing my comment at that specific response to you. I think there could be some improvements, but I'm really happy to see the promising design. If this is a small taste of what we're in for in Book 2, I think Kabam has headed that ship back in the right direction.
  • ThedancingkidThedancingkid Posts: 274 ★★
    Mauled said:

    Ebony_Naw said:

    Bulmkt said:

    Nice write up, Mauled.

    Personally for me, I would have just used the same nodes in uncollected and just made an appropriate bump up in HP/Attack for the A.I. Opponents.

    The loot should be twice what uncollected pays out. Easy, simple fix

    They need to remove the niche aspects to the monthly Cav EQ

    Really? That's so boring. Niche imo is when there are fewer than a handful of characters who can ideally do the fight. Ignoring the buffs, there are always a whole slew of champs that can do a fight. There's nothing unique about biohazard, and I could list a dozen champs that could counter diss track and buffed up.

    If you're a newly minted cavalier player, then you set your expectations too high thinking you could explore it easily. But I can definitely understand the frustration given the change to completion rewards.
    To use biohazard as an example, I don’t mind biohazard in and of itself - there’s plenty of champions that synergise very well with it. I think the issue is that there’s 6 quest lines that are pretty stacked that you have to complete on biohazard. On top of that the boss doesn’t make sense with the biohazard requirements
    You don’t have her but Quake is the perfect choice if you want one champ for both paths and boss. Otherwise I don’t see the issue with having a boss that can’t be countered by the champs you use for the paths, we have enough spots to cover both. Similarly you could just bring She-Hulk in the SWitch quest for an easy time. Though with the attack values being really manageable I found that just parrying to wait for the unstoppable and evade to disappear worked perfectly.
  • Thicco_ModeThicco_Mode Posts: 8,836 ★★★★★
    I think it would be cool if they stuck with the class theme and tried to really push the idea of using that class, like in your example with the footloose switch. nice write up!
  • GhostboytjieGhostboytjie Posts: 1,387 ★★★★
    havent read anything. Just checked the roster :)
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