Apocalypse sp1/2 (Someone plz help me clarify) Projectiles.... or physical contact hits??

Newlinstheory

Ok So I just got to the cavalier Apocalypse fight, and I brought in Tigra to have some fun, because I figured I could use her to my advantage for the miss mechanic......
But his sp1 completely WRECKED me!!!
I mean i still finished it but now it just had me curious about it



Sooooo am I to understand correctly that his sp1/sp2 are contact hits rather than projectiles???
@Kabam Miike

Grootman1294

The blue beams are the only ones that are projectiles.... Either that or apocalypse has some way of countering miss....

Newlinstheory

@Grootman1294 yeah, i Looked t his regular abilities, and nothing stated there.
Maybe a node? But didn’t see any.

Mr_Platypus

Hmm and there was me thinking tigra would work well for apocalypse, guess not if her phasing doesn’t work

Gamer

Hasn’t he a abtily wher he buypass mis I’m sure I’m read it one the spotlights. One forums

Gamer

Nop me just overthinking stuff

ccrider474

Every time you evade (not dex) he reduces your chance to automatically evade by 10%. If I recall his beam alone is 3 hits so if you auto evade all of that he dropped future evades by 30%. Your lower ability gets a red icon over you showing stacks. Rng makes 10% for ai seem like 100% at times.

Gamer

ccrider474 said:

Every time you evade (not dex) he reduces your chance to automatically evade by 10%. If I recall his beam alone is 3 hits so if you auto evade all of that he dropped future evades by 30%. Your lower ability gets a red icon over you showing stacks. Rng makes 10% for ai seem like 100% at times.

He doesn’t evade. It missed with isn’t the same as evade

Newlinstheory

@Gamer yeah didn’t see anything thats lets him bypass phase, just really caught me off guard haha

Newlinstheory

@ccrider474 yeah like @Gamer said tigra wasnt evading, was holding the heavy so i would phase through his sp1

Thebombsquad1

Newlinstheory said:

Ok So I just got to the cavalier Apocalypse fight, and I brought in Tigra to have some fun, because I figured I could use her to my advantage for the miss mechanic......
But his sp1 completely WRECKED me!!!
I mean i still finished it but now it just had me curious about it



Sooooo am I to understand correctly that his sp1/sp2 are contact hits rather than projectiles???
@Kabam Miike

I remember playing ghost and for some reason I was gaining his ignore evade charges for some reason, though they didn’t work

Gamer

Newlinstheory said:

@Gamer yeah didn’t see anything thats lets him bypass phase, just really caught me off guard haha

Understood I’m even when back to read it all

Thebombsquad1

Weird bug

Lormif

could it have something to do with this?

If affected by Weakness, Slow, or Exhaustion Debuffs, prevent the activation of Tigra’s personal miss and Unblockable effects.

apocalypse inflicts weakness on sp1 if his last thrown attack is a light attack.

ItsDamien

Lormif said:

could it have something to do with this?

If affected by Weakness, Slow, or Exhaustion Debuffs, prevent the activation of Tigra’s personal miss and Unblockable effects.

apocalypse inflicts weakness on sp1 if his last thrown attack is a light attack.

Only if you're already under a debuff though. If you've not got a debuff then it shouldn't apply the Weakness debuff.

That being said, if the OP is using suicides, then yes the weakness debuff from SP1 will apply immediately when he starts the attack.

Lormif

ItsDamien said:

Lormif said:

could it have something to do with this?

If affected by Weakness, Slow, or Exhaustion Debuffs, prevent the activation of Tigra’s personal miss and Unblockable effects.

apocalypse inflicts weakness on sp1 if his last thrown attack is a light attack.

Only if you're already under a debuff though. If you've not got a debuff then it shouldn't apply the Weakness debuff.

That being said, if the OP is using suicides, then yes the weakness debuff from SP1 will apply immediately when he starts the attack.

At this point I think we need to see a video, also the debuff has to be a DOT ,like suicides.

Newlinstheory

He applied a poison on me, no weakness, ik with the weakness it wont work for tigra @Lormif

Lormif

Newlinstheory said:

He applied a poison on me, no weakness, ik with the weakness it wont work for tigra @Lormif

like I said I think a video at this point would be in order to see what is happening.

LordBaldyBald

If you had a poison on you then he is applying additional debuffs that end up stopping your miss mechanic. I used Tigra to fight him too and as long as you haven’t gotten hit at all, you still cause his sp1 to miss. Just don’t do it to his sp2 lmao

Colonaut123

Lormif said:

could it have something to do with this?

If affected by Weakness, Slow, or Exhaustion Debuffs, prevent the activation of Tigra’s personal miss and Unblockable effects.

apocalypse inflicts weakness on sp1 if his last thrown attack is a light attack.

That's good to know, finally a Tigra that doesn't suck (?)

ccrider474

Newlinstheory said:

@ccrider474 yeah like @Gamer said tigra wasnt evading, was holding the heavy so i would phase through his sp1

Makes sense did you dex the contact bits? His sp1 is contact till the beam which is non contact.

If you had poison potential that he triggered weakness with sp1 "Additionally, fighting Apocalypse with the suicide Masteries turned on is probably not the best idea since he will trigger his Special Attack Debuffs without needing to land a hit." Might not have shown up before death?

Kinda need a video for real info just reaching at mechanics.