Personally I think y'all are underrating Darkhawk, if I'm completely honest.
- Far better power control-who needs power drain and lock when you just suppress instead
- The longest heal block in the game, if a bit difficult to get to
- Null Mode tripling his attack at max sig on top of burst shock damage
- Much more easily accessible regen at high sigs (L2 makes it much easier to get to L3, and L3 lasts long enough to get to L2)
- One of the best 'damage control' options in the game. When you mess up and get smacked by something, you go into shield mode, which makes you take WAY less damage, and grants free regen if you were in his mode cycle
- Not neutered by nullification nodes/champions
- Medium attacks and L2 ignore all resistances, allowing you to bypass nodes like Resistor and champions like Thing
Not saying he's guaranteed better than Buster and Sentinel, but he certainly deserves consideration....
Hmmm...interesting. I think why people don't consider him much is because he needs that investment of high sig and there are some much better characters around to invest in but he shouldn't be left out of people's rankings because of that.
Of the tech champs, who other than Guardian needs high sig? Ghost is fine at 20 or unduped, Warlock is fine unduped, G2099 doesn't need her dupe at all...Starky's fine at 20, Sentinel's fine at 20...
Idk. I personally wouldn't invest heavily invest into him since I personally dislike his animations, don't enjoy playing with him and have Warlock and Ghost already. However, I would invest sig 200 into Guardian and Ghost definitely since I like the extra power gain, Warlock since I use him fairly often for high regen and power gain matchups and the extra degen damage at sig 200 is nice, HB(if I got him) since he is fun to play and the regen is a really nice backup at high sigh. Maybe if I got a high sig Darkhawk and played around with him more, I would change my mind.
Guardian is #6, he just has utility, and a harder ramp up
He is neither a Utility champion (implication being paltry damage), nor a hard ramp up champion.
For the utility part: People usually focus on what his Signature brings (ability to counter Magik, Iceman, etc.), but I think his base utilities are highly underrated.
Well timed blocks against specials not only gives you power, but it also is a Perfect block (no damage). So essentially, you can take no damage from a special. This also works against unblockable specials.
He doesn't crit - perfect for Terminal Velocity, Mister Sinister, or other things that will punish the crit. Highly useful.
His crit's instead do shock damage - This bypasses some of the same damage prevention nodes like G2099 (caveat being that the energy damage doesn't scale upwards like G2099). It doesn't fully counter these nodes, but is definitely a nice perk. For example, on a Powershield node, as you are building up your charges, you can still do damage on your basic attacks on occasion (via the crit shocks) that chips away at the health.
He can parry non contact attacks - More of a quality of life utility, but it makes fighting Havok, Ebony Maw or other non-conact enemies (I have been noticing more recently, especially with Ebony Maw, that the AI seems try and avoid the reparry method by just doing one attack and dashing back instead of continuing the combo).
His sig adds on a lot more, but the best part is he doesn't have to sacrifice utility for damage (Except for when you are going to use your SP2, but the fight is over by then or you can counteract that by doubling up your armor buff).
For the ramp up part: In most path matchups, one SP1 and then one SP2 finishes many fights. That is the same 'ramp up' as any other champion.
In longer fights, sure you are banking a bunch of SP3's, until you are ready to unleash his SP2 to end the fight. But that is the same 'ramp up' as Red Magneto. They are definitely different (Magneto parry heavy; Guardian comboing), but it is not a hard ramp up.
In my opinion, a hard ramp up is when you have to play around with the timing, the enemy AI, or the fear of missing your window or losing your combo. Guardian has none of these problems, as you can mess up or the AI can behave erratically, and you won't miss a step.
___________________________________ You can still have Hulkbuster above Guardian on your personal list, as that is your personal preference, but I just wanted to make sure you aren't discounting Guardian too much.
A perfect example of a hard ramp-up is Phoenix. Has an absolute nuke for an L3 but you need to manage power, furies, armor breaks, AND enemy power to make it work.
Personally I think y'all are underrating Darkhawk, if I'm completely honest.
- Far better power control-who needs power drain and lock when you just suppress instead
- The longest heal block in the game, if a bit difficult to get to
- Null Mode tripling his attack at max sig on top of burst shock damage
- Much more easily accessible regen at high sigs (L2 makes it much easier to get to L3, and L3 lasts long enough to get to L2)
- One of the best 'damage control' options in the game. When you mess up and get smacked by something, you go into shield mode, which makes you take WAY less damage, and grants free regen if you were in his mode cycle
- Not neutered by nullification nodes/champions
- Medium attacks and L2 ignore all resistances, allowing you to bypass nodes like Resistor and champions like Thing
Not saying he's guaranteed better than Buster and Sentinel, but he certainly deserves consideration....
Hmmm...interesting. I think why people don't consider him much is because he needs that investment of high sig and there are some much better characters around to invest in but he shouldn't be left out of people's rankings because of that.
Of the tech champs, who other than Guardian needs high sig? Ghost is fine at 20 or unduped, Warlock is fine unduped, G2099 doesn't need her dupe at all...Starky's fine at 20, Sentinel's fine at 20...
Idk. I personally wouldn't invest heavily invest into him since I personally dislike his animations, don't enjoy playing with him and have Warlock and Ghost already. However, I would invest sig 200 into Guardian and Ghost definitely since I like the extra power gain, Warlock since I use him fairly often for high regen and power gain matchups and the extra degen damage at sig 200 is nice, HB(if I got him) since he is fun to play and the regen is a really nice backup at high sigh. Maybe if I got a high sig Darkhawk and played around with him more, I would change my mind.
*laughs in R3 Guardian, R3 Darkhawk, and R3 Ghost that I never use*
Personally I think y'all are underrating Darkhawk, if I'm completely honest.
- Far better power control-who needs power drain and lock when you just suppress instead
- The longest heal block in the game, if a bit difficult to get to
- Null Mode tripling his attack at max sig on top of burst shock damage
- Much more easily accessible regen at high sigs (L2 makes it much easier to get to L3, and L3 lasts long enough to get to L2)
- One of the best 'damage control' options in the game. When you mess up and get smacked by something, you go into shield mode, which makes you take WAY less damage, and grants free regen if you were in his mode cycle
- Not neutered by nullification nodes/champions
- Medium attacks and L2 ignore all resistances, allowing you to bypass nodes like Resistor and champions like Thing
Not saying he's guaranteed better than Buster and Sentinel, but he certainly deserves consideration....
Hmmm...interesting. I think why people don't consider him much is because he needs that investment of high sig and there are some much better characters around to invest in but he shouldn't be left out of people's rankings because of that.
Of the tech champs, who other than Guardian needs high sig? Ghost is fine at 20 or unduped, Warlock is fine unduped, G2099 doesn't need her dupe at all...Starky's fine at 20, Sentinel's fine at 20...
Idk. I personally wouldn't invest heavily invest into him since I personally dislike his animations, don't enjoy playing with him and have Warlock and Ghost already. However, I would invest sig 200 into Guardian and Ghost definitely since I like the extra power gain, Warlock since I use him fairly often for high regen and power gain matchups and the extra degen damage at sig 200 is nice, HB(if I got him) since he is fun to play and the regen is a really nice backup at high sigh. Maybe if I got a high sig Darkhawk and played around with him more, I would change my mind.
*laughs in R3 Guardian, R3 Darkhawk, and R3 Ghost that I never use*
I'm having 5* max hulkbuster ( sig 80 ) he suits my playstyle n I like his damage , unblockable special , power lock , power burn , increase attack rate during regen .
Yall are seriously underrating P99. That mans a monster.
I could never manage to squeeze even average damage out of my rank 2, do you have any tips for that? I love his power control but the fights take so long.
Yall are seriously underrating P99. That mans a monster.
I could never manage to squeeze even average damage out of my rank 2, do you have any tips for that? I love his power control but the fights take so long.
So, if you want bonkers damage you have to bring Red Skull. Fire an Sp2 right before going into overdrive and then rush to another sp2. Red Skull makes the armor breaks last long enough to stack 2. My r2 no suicides does 14k mediums with 2 armor breaks. Personally, the 1 sp2 armor break i think is enough so i usually do sp2 spam sp1 until armor break expires and then spam sp1. He has some really awesome utility as well. His disintegration debuff makes him an even more incredible power controller with another 90% combat powerrate reduction.
1.Ghost (with synergies) 2.Warlock (needs no synergy) 3. Guardian sig 200 (it synergy him self for every champ at your team) 4. G99 5. Btw sentinel - hulkbuster.
If hulkbuster had better reach at his heavy we would speak for a different champ. But now is inconsistent.
The list is for tottaly endgame level (tier2/1 AW , map 7 AQ).
If you are mid level player sentinel & warlock are swiss army.
Yall are seriously underrating P99. That mans a monster.
He's probably top 8-9. He's in an underrated category as I see many call him mediocre
I place him equal to HB 😳.
Dont hurt me.
It's all good. HB has more solid utility imo, like the shocks, armor break, armor ups, good energy resistance (Similar to Havok's) the power control is probably not as sweet as P99, but it's there so, I still give him around a similar score to P99
ofc, HB has more damage
P99 has some of the most amazing power control in the game in my opinion. He has some really solid damage, a stun on heavy that if you play it right can lock them for a long time. Especially in overdrive. He has armor break, a unique debuff, and some regen like Hb. And with CGR on the team(not a big sacrifice) you get a huge fury for every heavy you throw. He has about Hulkbuster damage with that synergy.
Guardian is #6, he just has utility, and a harder ramp up
He is neither a Utility champion (implication being paltry damage), nor a hard ramp up champion.
For the utility part: People usually focus on what his Signature brings (ability to counter Magik, Iceman, etc.), but I think his base utilities are highly underrated.
Well timed blocks against specials not only gives you power, but it also is a Perfect block (no damage). So essentially, you can take no damage from a special. This also works against unblockable specials.
He doesn't crit - perfect for Terminal Velocity, Mister Sinister, or other things that will punish the crit. Highly useful.
His crit's instead do shock damage - This bypasses some of the same damage prevention nodes like G2099 (caveat being that the energy damage doesn't scale upwards like G2099). It doesn't fully counter these nodes, but is definitely a nice perk. For example, on a Powershield node, as you are building up your charges, you can still do damage on your basic attacks on occasion (via the crit shocks) that chips away at the health.
He can parry non contact attacks - More of a quality of life utility, but it makes fighting Havok, Ebony Maw or other non-conact enemies (I have been noticing more recently, especially with Ebony Maw, that the AI seems try and avoid the reparry method by just doing one attack and dashing back instead of continuing the combo).
His sig adds on a lot more, but the best part is he doesn't have to sacrifice utility for damage (Except for when you are going to use your SP2, but the fight is over by then or you can counteract that by doubling up your armor buff).
For the ramp up part: In most path matchups, one SP1 and then one SP2 finishes many fights. That is the same 'ramp up' as any other champion.
In longer fights, sure you are banking a bunch of SP3's, until you are ready to unleash his SP2 to end the fight. But that is the same 'ramp up' as Red Magneto. They are definitely different (Magneto parry heavy; Guardian comboing), but it is not a hard ramp up.
In my opinion, a hard ramp up is when you have to play around with the timing, the enemy AI, or the fear of missing your window or losing your combo. Guardian has none of these problems, as you can mess up or the AI can behave erratically, and you won't miss a step.
___________________________________ You can still have Hulkbuster above Guardian on your personal list, as that is your personal preference, but I just wanted to make sure you aren't discounting Guardian too much.
Just wanted to say I had no idea what Guardian was before this post. It was made a few months ago and let’s say I wasn’t the sharpest tool in the shed lol
He’s above HB, and above G99 as well for the 3rd best tech
Yall are seriously underrating P99. That mans a monster.
He's probably top 8-9. He's in an underrated category as I see many call him mediocre
I place him equal to HB 😳.
Dont hurt me.
It's all good. HB has more solid utility imo, like the shocks, armor break, armor ups, good energy resistance (Similar to Havok's) the power control is probably not as sweet as P99, but it's there so, I still give him around a similar score to P99
ofc, HB has more damage
P99 has some of the most amazing power control in the game in my opinion. He has some really solid damage, a stun on heavy that if you play it right can lock them for a long time. Especially in overdrive. He has armor break, a unique debuff, and some regen like Hb. And with CGR on the team(not a big sacrifice) you get a huge fury for every heavy you throw. He has about Hulkbuster damage with that synergy.
Interesting, Any vid?
Also, I think HB is a bit more suicide friendly
A damage vid is on my channel. And P99 is trash with suicides. He spams special 1s.
Yall are seriously underrating P99. That mans a monster.
He's probably top 8-9. He's in an underrated category as I see many call him mediocre
I place him equal to HB 😳.
Dont hurt me.
It's all good. HB has more solid utility imo, like the shocks, armor break, armor ups, good energy resistance (Similar to Havok's) the power control is probably not as sweet as P99, but it's there so, I still give him around a similar score to P99
ofc, HB has more damage
P99 has some of the most amazing power control in the game in my opinion. He has some really solid damage, a stun on heavy that if you play it right can lock them for a long time. Especially in overdrive. He has armor break, a unique debuff, and some regen like Hb. And with CGR on the team(not a big sacrifice) you get a huge fury for every heavy you throw. He has about Hulkbuster damage with that synergy.
Interesting, Any vid?
Also, I think HB is a bit more suicide friendly
A damage vid is on my channel. And P99 is trash with suicides. He spams special 1s.
With the CGR synergy? Anyways, that was impressive. A solid 320K in 50 seconds isn't bad. Although HB w/ synergies as well can do more, That's very very close
I didnt have the CGR synergy in that video. Because i didnt have him at the time .
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Oh, and an R3 Doc Ock, who I use even LESS!
...I have too many tech catalysts.
But Guardian is clearly 4th and a hard contender for 3rd if max sig
Dont hurt me.
2.Warlock (needs no synergy)
3. Guardian sig 200 (it synergy him self for every champ at your team)
4. G99
5. Btw sentinel - hulkbuster.
If hulkbuster had better reach at his heavy we would speak for a different champ. But now is inconsistent.
The list is for tottaly endgame level (tier2/1 AW , map 7 AQ).
If you are mid level player sentinel & warlock are swiss army.