@Lormif I am not asking any sympathy. But its one of the shortfalls that need to fixed in the game!
you need to find a way to fix it first. All you are doing is "they should find the cheating faster, we bear no responsibility for our alliance"
Officers aren't people with no lives to sit and watch 30 people doing their fights every war and then analyse it to see who cheated. Yes, cheaters should be punished, but there should be a proper way for us to identify them. Not in an alliance affected by the band btw since we're legit. But it's silly to ask folks to record each and every fight as well.
If you are in the top ranks like this then you should take reasonable precautions to make sure your team is not cheating. And no it is not silly when you are playing for those stakes. It is a reasonable ask to minimize your efforts. Then you can yourself report them. If you dont have the time to do it then dont be an officer. It is silly to ask kabam to know who all is cheating the moment they are cheating.
imagine u have good running alliance and u need 1 or 2 players..somebody sends u request and u discuss it with him..everything seems fine and he can play well..and no he doesnt die in map5 because u dont play map5 logically.
and he performs at the same level as normal and also doesnt really show any sign of hack..he just soloes fights as normal players do..wenn the whole alliance is strange like maide i understand that but when kabam explodes the whole alliance which did well and 2 assholes broke the fairplay..why do u think the rest should feel bad infront of u all? we have no instruments but suspect and its too subjective...of course some extreme cases are seen and reacted on but mostly a normal alliance vant detect that.
and u say now we are some kind of criminals who deserve asskick?!
Imagine a team hires a player, that player cheats and they win the superbowl. Should the team get to keep the title even though the team cheated? no, they should be stripped of the title, because when a teammate cheats it calls into question every single win that the team got with that teammate. There is no way to unwind that
Don’t get me wrong, I do feel for you. Perhaps there’s an element of naivety in your outlook which has probably got you the backlash. If you’re ignorant of the cheaters you are a victim too but sadly you’re far less of a victim than the alliances that the dishonest players in your alliance cheated against. There’s no easy obvious solution as it’s clearly challenging for Kabam to detect it from the outset otherwise it wouldn’t be an issue outside of the a few really dedicated cheaters. Until such a time as Kabam are able to manage it automatically through their bot/pilot detection systems - which is what you’re asking for as down to the bottom of P2 you’re talking about 3000 players doing ~5 fights per war - the policing has to be internal.
The real sad thing about this is the alliance I’m in (backseat driver this season), went from 3rd P3 to 35 P2. That’s a huge jump in places which means that almost 20% of the top 100 AW alliances got docked. There is clearly a massive culture of cheating and if it was easy, it’d have already been dealt with at source rather than retrospectively.
IMO it's not fair they should ban those who used cheats definetly and not touch anyone other in the alliance .
But if it presists that some alliance (Overall Speaking) had or has multiple cheating methods in Previous Season they should all get banned From "Alliance Seasons For an entire Season As a punishment"
Alot of the people getting banned will have been for piloting, which as an officer is impossible to work out if they have been piloting for a while, especially in p2/1 alliances where the is often a decent range of skill.
There’s no way for Kabam to figure out when it is a bad apple in the alliance or an alliance that encourages cheating. Cleaning up the game will have collateral damage for sure.
If a player is banned for modding/piloting I’d like them to just get an AW ban. 1st offence - no war for 2 seasons, comes with the title of ‘unlucky son’ 2nd offence - no war for 3 seasons, comes with the title of ‘Darwin award candidate’ 3rd offence - thanks but you’re not welcome.
The notation of ban waves is the real issue imo, if kabam are doing ban waves that surely mean they have know people have been cheating and have waited till the end of the season to ban them, thus meaning they had to dock the appropriate alliances, If kabam did weekly bans every Tuesday after war finishes this would be a fairer way and meaning less alliances would be docked at the end of the season, also giving leader a day to find replacements
@Lormif I am not asking any sympathy. But its one of the shortfalls that need to fixed in the game!
you need to find a way to fix it first. All you are doing is "they should find the cheating faster, we bear no responsibility for our alliance"
Officers aren't people with no lives to sit and watch 30 people doing their fights every war and then analyse it to see who cheated. Yes, cheaters should be punished, but there should be a proper way for us to identify them. Not in an alliance affected by the band btw since we're legit. But it's silly to ask folks to record each and every fight as well.
If you are in the top ranks like this then you should take reasonable precautions to make sure your team is not cheating. And no it is not silly when you are playing for those stakes. It is a reasonable ask to minimize your efforts. Then you can yourself report them. If you dont have the time to do it then dont be an officer. It is silly to ask kabam to know who all is cheating the moment they are cheating.
People are banned in Gold 1 also. Those are your so called Top Ranks. This isn't a high stakes poker game where we're playing for a massive cash prize that you're talking about stakes. Your version of reasonable is not reasonable at all. This. Is. A. Game. Officers are there to help the alliance. But they have their own REAL lives which maybe you don't know about. Sitting and spending time to watch 30 people fight in AQ/AW and figure out whether they are cheating isn't reasonable. It is flat out nuts. Plain and simple. You can give the same rubbish reasoning, but there are alliances being punished without knowing they have a cheater. And at the moment, yes they are collateral for the betterment of the game which sucks, but there should be an aim to find a system where it won't happen in the future.
Tbh, Kabam should just perm ban these cheaters and all the accounts that were accessed from the cheating device.
This. Kabam don't, actually, give a toss about the fairness of the game until they ban repeat offenders permanently. If someone is going to cheat, what deterrent is a temporary ban? The vast majority of ethically broken players are just going to try the next cheat mod that comes along, and reap the benefits for a time until it's discovered. Rinse, repeat. Meanwhile, the big spenders that do keep this game going for all of us have to be asking "WTF Kabam?"
Im sorry for you guys. I know it must feel horrible if you thought you have only legit players.
But these cheater helped you get to the spot where you end as well. Saying the other ppl wouldnt face consequences wouldnt work. Then alliances would just use throw away accs to get away with cheating.
You cant please everyone and I think this is the best of bad solutions.
Im an officer myself and I feel with you guys.
best reply i’ve seen on here. you didn’t act disrespectful and act like the OP was an idiot. you acknowledge how hard it must be, getting banned for someone else’s ignorance, and also acknowledge that they benefited off of those people.
so many people on these forums have become so toxic, getting mad because people have questions or make a thread that is slightly similar to another. i wish people would just be nice to each other here.
sorry for getting off of the topic of the thread, i just liked this reply.
@Seraphion these are all shortfalls of the company that are impacting Honest players. Ban the cheater day one! Then we kick em and recruit a new member. My point is why wait last day ban these guys and Dock the Alliance!! Its inability of the company to create a safe game.
I think my favorite excuse cheaters or people involved with cheaters use is when they blame the company for why they cheated or their members cheated
Tbh, Kabam should just perm ban these cheaters and all the accounts that were accessed from the cheating device.
This. Kabam don't, actually, give a toss about the fairness of the game until they ban repeat offenders permanently. If someone is going to cheat, what deterrent is a temporary ban? The vast majority of ethically broken players are just going to try the next cheat mod that comes along, and reap the benefits for a time until it's discovered. Rinse, repeat. Meanwhile, the big spenders that do keep this game going for all of us have to be asking "WTF Kabam?"
You will find that there is quite a large overlap between the two. Just looking at the amount of alliances that got dropped for us to get back into P2 this season you're looking at close to 1/5 alliances having at least one confirmed cheater in the ranks. P2+ is where a huge amount of the whales reside.
This sort of thing is what kills online games though and does need to be seriously addressed. At one point RS was roughly 60% bots and to get that number down the owners had to invest some serious money in coders to upgrade their detection systems and having active monitoring in game. With a mobile game it's probably a bit more challenging but it's something that needs serious consideration. ---- If there was a permanent title that could be given to players that would help with recruitment but ultimately I'd like to think that some players would change after being burnt the first time.
@Lormif I am not asking any sympathy. But its one of the shortfalls that need to fixed in the game!
you need to find a way to fix it first. All you are doing is "they should find the cheating faster, we bear no responsibility for our alliance"
Officers aren't people with no lives to sit and watch 30 people doing their fights every war and then analyse it to see who cheated. Yes, cheaters should be punished, but there should be a proper way for us to identify them. Not in an alliance affected by the band btw since we're legit. But it's silly to ask folks to record each and every fight as well.
If you are in the top ranks like this then you should take reasonable precautions to make sure your team is not cheating. And no it is not silly when you are playing for those stakes. It is a reasonable ask to minimize your efforts. Then you can yourself report them. If you dont have the time to do it then dont be an officer. It is silly to ask kabam to know who all is cheating the moment they are cheating.
People are banned in Gold 1 also. Those are your so called Top Ranks. This isn't a high stakes poker game where we're playing for a massive cash prize that you're talking about stakes. Your version of reasonable is not reasonable at all. This. Is. A. Game. Officers are there to help the alliance. But they have their own REAL lives which maybe you don't know about. Sitting and spending time to watch 30 people fight in AQ/AW and figure out whether they are cheating isn't reasonable. It is flat out nuts. Plain and simple. You can give the same rubbish reasoning, but there are alliances being punished without knowing they have a cheater. And at the moment, yes they are collateral for the betterment of the game which sucks, but there should be an aim to find a system where it won't happen in the future.
i dont agree because u have no idea how the difference is aw planning in T1 is 4 hour work per war
in gold 1 people have constant assigned paths and done
I'm not telling that they are the same lol. But I'm telling that cheating has been done all across the board. Not only in Masters or in Plat 1. Even Gold alliances are affected by it. He said that if you 'want to stay at the Top'. Gold alliances aren't Top. Yet they're also affected by this and may not have known if they had a member cheating. So while the action taken currently is unfortunate and needed, there should be some method in the future that doesn't penalize everyone in the alliance. Or the person cheating gets flagged earlier so that the alliance knows they're getting screwed in the final rankings.
If your “boss killers” are dying in AQ map 5/6, it’ll be very suspicious
I doubt it is that easy. I'm a leader, and i dont think i can, neither can my officers afford to watch every war's worth of footage from 30 members. You may have a lot of time on your hands ( which is why your 330k arena wins is so "easy"), but asking folks to watch hundreds of minutes of footage every war is unreasonable. Kabam can do this banwave mid season and help out.
PS I wasnt affected by this, but had to call out stupid suggestions when I see it.
Yes. It's fair to punish the entire team. You got Wins you didn't deserve which includes Shards and War Victory Crystals.
Those resources are not being taken back which you should be LUCKY Kabam isn't doing that - it would probably be a nightmare to track anyway.
Lick your wounds, replace the bad apples, move on and find ways suggested here by many as ways to check on people you newly recruit to ensure they are not shady. All you can do for now.
On one hand it isn't fair towards other alliances. They lost their rewards because of your members cheating, and you got up using partially unfair methods (because the cheaters pushed alliance up)
On the other hand this is "just" a game, not a full time job, so it must be hard for leaders to manage even placement and battlegroups, and watching&checking 150+ fights each war is time consuming (even for more people), and it feels like you just can't expect 30 players to record every fight of every war and then analyze it.
So this is kind of a moral struggle, but the probably best solution is really to drag you all down equally. It is surely the simplest one
If you do not penalize the entire alliance for one person (or a group) modding, then there will be no one to stop someone from buying a separate phone, download a mod on that phone, run 9 mod accounts in the same alliance to take out 9 paths + all minis + bosses, and getting undeserved rewards for his/her main account.
If you do not penalize the entire alliance for one person (or a group) modding, then there will be no one to stop someone from buying a separate phone, download a mod on that phone, run 9 mod accounts in the same alliance to take out 9 paths + all minis + bosses, and getting undeserved rewards for his/her main account.
Flag the accounts mid season. Let the officers have a chance to kick those members out. Get a deduction in points mid season and then they have to start gaining points again to reach where they were. Or if not mid season, atleast when they find out. End of season deduction is messy if the alliance has no idea.
If your “boss killers” are dying in AQ map 5/6, it’ll be very suspicious
I doubt it is that easy. I'm a leader, and i dont think i can, neither can my officers afford to watch every war's worth of footage from 30 members. You may have a lot of time on your hands ( which is why your 330k arena wins is so "easy"), but asking folks to watch hundreds of minutes of footage every war is unreasonable. Kabam can do this banwave mid season and help out.
PS I wasnt affected by this, but had to call out stupid suggestions when I see it.
I’m leading 2 alliances, 1 in P2, 1 in P4. I don’t do that, neither do my officers.
I just make sure I have a video of that guy’s play when recruiting him. And we will wanna see screenshots of hits etc in the fight end screen. It’s as simple as that. Also, if that person is dying too frequently in AQ or has diverse performances in different aspects of the game, it has to be a red flag.
Once that red flag is raised, then ask for video footage of that guy’s play in war, no excuses.
Also, my 330k arena fights were culminated across 4-5 years (at the very least). No issue grinding while watching television at night.
Dear Game Team, If certain individuals are cheating please ban them it a fair game. But don’t punish the entire Alliance! We as leaders and officers have absolutely no tool to identify who is cheating and who is not. So cannot control this aspect of Alliance management. After Playing skillfully the entire team is stripped of two full brackets in AW. Platinum-1 to Plat2. Just not fair. Thanks for your consideration! GSB
Being an officer of an alliance I can totally understand that Its not possible for us to tell weather the guy we recruit is a cheat or not It's fine if u ban the cheaters account rather than punishing whole alliance cause it's unintentional
I remember a while back (like 10-15 seasons ago) my alliance received a point deduction but nobody was banned, so we had no way to track down what had caused it.
At least this way you can tell who it was, and you know the 28 you have left were playing cleanly. Replace the two bad seeds and move on.
at the very least, kick them. It’s kinda easy to tell how they’re cheating.
Ohk tell me how do u identify the cheater who is hiding in ur Alliance without ur notice
Top tier AW is cutthroat. A single death/DC can screw your war. You’ll find players record for personal insurance - look I won the fight it’s not my fault that the server screwed me. We also like to flex, I record my fights and if I do a sweet takedown of a fight I often post it in chat, as do most of our alliance. This is why I know are clean. We had a guy who got a lot better across a season and we just watched his gameplay back across a few wars and in Act 6 and you could see a steady improvement and we felt that was reasonable. If he refused to share footage we’d have got rid to be safe.
Ok let's put it this way - What if you score no. 1 place in AW but know who the cheaters are in your ally ( in this case you're "PRETENDING" you don't know) . Will you inform Kabam about cheaters or keep the juicy rewards?
Since you posted here i'd assume you're in a high prestige Platinum or Master ally and maybe an officer. You guys wanna keep your prestige high without compromising on rewards that comes from cheating.? Really? An officer can't be that blind that he has no clue what's going in in his ally( that coming from an officer himself).
If your “boss killers” are dying in AQ map 5/6, it’ll be very suspicious
I doubt it is that easy. I'm a leader, and i dont think i can, neither can my officers afford to watch every war's worth of footage from 30 members. You may have a lot of time on your hands ( which is why your 330k arena wins is so "easy"), but asking folks to watch hundreds of minutes of footage every war is unreasonable. Kabam can do this banwave mid season and help out.
PS I wasnt affected by this, but had to call out stupid suggestions when I see it.
I’m leading 2 alliances, 1 in P2, 1 in P4. I don’t do that, neither do my officers.
I just make sure I have a video of that guy’s play when recruiting him. And we will wanna see screenshots of hits etc in the fight end screen. It’s as simple as that. Also, if that person is dying too frequently in AQ or has diverse performances in different aspects of the game, it has to be a red flag.
Once that red flag is raised, then ask for video footage of that guy’s play in war, no excuses.
Also, my 330k arena fights were culminated across 4-5 years (at the very least). No issue grinding while watching television at night.
Well tat does show you do have a lot of time on your hands, or you dont really" lead". I do the same, see fights once in a while. But your suggestion to watch recordings of fights every war, as have said a few others, is kind of stupid, when we see how much stuff has to be done in game, and other leader/officer responsibilities. It is a game, not work. Watching recordings is not a solution. You recruit based on their word, and recordings you can see, nothing more. My suggestion would be to do this banwave midseason so alliances can kick and re recruit. This ensures they know they do not have to burn as many items for a ranking they may not be able to possess due to docking.
If your “boss killers” are dying in AQ map 5/6, it’ll be very suspicious
I doubt it is that easy. I'm a leader, and i dont think i can, neither can my officers afford to watch every war's worth of footage from 30 members. You may have a lot of time on your hands ( which is why your 330k arena wins is so "easy"), but asking folks to watch hundreds of minutes of footage every war is unreasonable. Kabam can do this banwave mid season and help out.
PS I wasnt affected by this, but had to call out stupid suggestions when I see it.
I just make sure I have a video of that guy’s play when recruiting him. And we will wanna see screenshots of hits etc in the fight end screen. It’s as simple as that. Also, if that person is dying too frequently in AQ or has diverse performances in different aspects of the game, it has to be a red flag.
Once that red flag is raised, then ask for video footage of that guy’s play in war, no excuses. .
People can cheat while being good at the game too. In order to get better AW rewards. AQ isn't too hard as such. It's repetitive motions that you get so used to that it's not too hard to get through without dying. So if none of the 'red flags' are raised and there is still a player who is using mods, how are officers supposed to identify?
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There’s no easy obvious solution as it’s clearly challenging for Kabam to detect it from the outset otherwise it wouldn’t be an issue outside of the a few really dedicated cheaters.
Until such a time as Kabam are able to manage it automatically through their bot/pilot detection systems - which is what you’re asking for as down to the bottom of P2 you’re talking about 3000 players doing ~5 fights per war - the policing has to be internal.
The real sad thing about this is the alliance I’m in (backseat driver this season), went from 3rd P3 to 35 P2. That’s a huge jump in places which means that almost 20% of the top 100 AW alliances got docked. There is clearly a massive culture of cheating and if it was easy, it’d have already been dealt with at source rather than retrospectively.
But if it presists that some alliance (Overall Speaking) had or has multiple cheating methods in Previous Season they should all get banned From "Alliance Seasons For an entire Season As a punishment"
1st offence - no war for 2 seasons, comes with the title of ‘unlucky son’
2nd offence - no war for 3 seasons, comes with the title of ‘Darwin award candidate’
3rd offence - thanks but you’re not welcome.
You can give the same rubbish reasoning, but there are alliances being punished without knowing they have a cheater. And at the moment, yes they are collateral for the betterment of the game which sucks, but there should be an aim to find a system where it won't happen in the future.
Kabam don't, actually, give a toss about the fairness of the game until they ban repeat offenders permanently. If someone is going to cheat, what deterrent is a temporary ban? The vast majority of ethically broken players are just going to try the next cheat mod that comes along, and reap the benefits for a time until it's discovered. Rinse, repeat.
Meanwhile, the big spenders that do keep this game going for all of us have to be asking "WTF Kabam?"
so many people on these forums have become so toxic, getting mad because people have questions or make a thread that is slightly similar to another. i wish people would just be nice to each other here.
sorry for getting off of the topic of the thread, i just liked this reply.
This sort of thing is what kills online games though and does need to be seriously addressed. At one point RS was roughly 60% bots and to get that number down the owners had to invest some serious money in coders to upgrade their detection systems and having active monitoring in game. With a mobile game it's probably a bit more challenging but it's something that needs serious consideration.
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If there was a permanent title that could be given to players that would help with recruitment but ultimately I'd like to think that some players would change after being burnt the first time.
Kabam can do this banwave mid season and help out.
PS I wasnt affected by this, but had to call out stupid suggestions when I see it.
Yes. It's fair to punish the entire team. You got Wins you didn't deserve which includes Shards and War Victory Crystals.
Those resources are not being taken back which you should be LUCKY Kabam isn't doing that - it would probably be a nightmare to track anyway.
Lick your wounds, replace the bad apples, move on and find ways suggested here by many as ways to check on people you newly recruit to ensure they are not shady. All you can do for now.
On one hand it isn't fair towards other alliances. They lost their rewards because of your members cheating, and you got up using partially unfair methods (because the cheaters pushed alliance up)
On the other hand this is "just" a game, not a full time job, so it must be hard for leaders to manage even placement and battlegroups, and watching&checking 150+ fights each war is time consuming (even for more people), and it feels like you just can't expect 30 players to record every fight of every war and then analyze it.
So this is kind of a moral struggle, but the probably best solution is really to drag you all down equally. It is surely the simplest one
First offense: flag the account for a month
Second offense: flag account for six months
Third offense: perm ban
Or even better
First offense: flag account for 3 months
Second offense: perm ban
If you do not penalize the entire alliance for one person (or a group) modding, then there will be no one to stop someone from buying a separate phone, download a mod on that phone, run 9 mod accounts in the same alliance to take out 9 paths + all minis + bosses, and getting undeserved rewards for his/her main account.
I just make sure I have a video of that guy’s play when recruiting him. And we will wanna see screenshots of hits etc in the fight end screen. It’s as simple as that. Also, if that person is dying too frequently in AQ or has diverse performances in different aspects of the game, it has to be a red flag.
Once that red flag is raised, then ask for video footage of that guy’s play in war, no excuses.
Also, my 330k arena fights were culminated across 4-5 years (at the very least). No issue grinding while watching television at night.
Its not possible for us to tell weather the guy we recruit is a cheat or not
It's fine if u ban the cheaters account rather than punishing whole alliance cause it's unintentional
I remember a while back (like 10-15 seasons ago) my alliance received a point deduction but nobody was banned, so we had no way to track down what had caused it.
At least this way you can tell who it was, and you know the 28 you have left were playing cleanly. Replace the two bad seeds and move on.
Since you posted here i'd assume you're in a high prestige Platinum or Master ally and maybe an officer. You guys wanna keep your prestige high without compromising on rewards that comes from cheating.? Really? An officer can't be that blind that he has no clue what's going in in his ally( that coming from an officer himself).
But your suggestion to watch recordings of fights every war, as have said a few others, is kind of stupid, when we see how much stuff has to be done in game, and other leader/officer responsibilities. It is a game, not work. Watching recordings is not a solution. You recruit based on their word, and recordings you can see, nothing more.
My suggestion would be to do this banwave midseason so alliances can kick and re recruit. This ensures they know they do not have to burn as many items for a ranking they may not be able to possess due to docking.