I think with just a little buff of removing his Persistent Charges and having Frenzy always active from 65% Health and below or reducing the Charges to 3, Red Goblin would be one of the top Cosmic champs.
I agree, I think 3 would be much better than 5, especially given how if you lose a match, bye-bye persistent charge.
Just bring in Venom and you won't lose any charges.
That "Lose a Persistent Charge on KO" should really just be removed on Base, it adds nothing to the champion and he's not at the level to need a Limiter that annoying (not saying he's bad at all, just saying he isn't at Ægon or Colossus Ramp Up Level where it might be fair to have a punishment for losing a match)... What's worse is Originally it was 2 Charges lost on a KO, like how did they put So Many Limiters on this Champions and thought it was alright for Release?
I find it funny how the 1 Buff that Quickens his Ramp Up is the one that's currently Bugged 😂 like how did they manage to not bug the Fury or the Aptitude or the Debuffs or any other Ability but The One Buff that's kind of vital to his Ramp Up being fun and manageable is the one that breaks?
I am not saying he's rubbish, far from it. Just for my roster, he's near enough useless.
Just cosmic, I have 5/65 or 2/35 6*; hype, Medusa, annihilus, corvus (6*) and I have 2-3, 3-4 and 4-5 cosmic gem and CMM, Angela, cull as 5* to take up. I also have 5/65 torch, 2/35 6* meph for incinerate immune and a bunch of op God tier to 5/65 or 2/35; red mags, collosus, shulk, white mags (6*), guardian, doc oc, wolverine, domino, HB (6*), archangel, Morningstar (6*)... Plus others.
So, for my roster, no, he has no uses and for others with similar rosters, I would assume the same applies.
Where does he even make the C team in mine? I was being generous when I said he'd warm the bench in my team. Even if I 2/35 him, I'm not sure if he'd even warrant AW D for diversity..
So no, I don't think he holds a place in a moderately developed team, but agree he will have uses for new accounts or the really unlucky.
I’m looking at your roster ,
You could definitely use him on your roster. Where is your spidey evade counter ? Where is your power control champ? If you think he can’t serve a purpose in your roster , that is what is wrong with the game and expectations currently. If anything, he is one of the better options on your roster that can tackle everything , in fact he is one of your only decent counters to variant 6.
I will cut If you some slack because I see you have annulus ranked up as well as morning star, as far as I am concerned red goblin is better than Morningstar before 4 fights.
But I mean when you showed your roster I thought you were going to have everything covered, your roster is the roster that can benefit from him.
Evade; corvus with prox synergy, shulk, quake, torch, aegon ramped up. But genuinely, corvus, quake and shulk solve most evade challenges.
Power control, just 6*; g2099, HB, hawkeye and meph (to a degree). Plus doc oc, magik, dorm, voodoo at 4/55, waiting to take up. And of course, quake.
So again, what evade or power control scenario does he solve better than that lot? And what does he do in v6 that my other villans don't do better?
I'm not saying he's terrible, he's just middle of the road and not a top option for ranking up, for most people. He could hugely do with a tune up, as I would guess that most people who get him, will do what I do.
Leave him completely untouched.
Have you explored act 6 yet?
Your roster is nowhere near developed enough to say he doesn’t have a use in game , at your level.
I’ll give you the power control but do I see you really using hulk buster maybe . G99 definitely.
V6 you have annihilhus and omega from what I seen. He can definitely hold a spot in your roster and do very well. It’s crazy to me how you can say he is mid tier for a mid level player , when that is not true. I’m not saying he was a the top choice , but definitely not a bench warmer
I am not saying he's rubbish, far from it. Just for my roster, he's near enough useless.
Just cosmic, I have 5/65 or 2/35 6*; hype, Medusa, annihilus, corvus (6*) and I have 2-3, 3-4 and 4-5 cosmic gem and CMM, Angela, cull as 5* to take up. I also have 5/65 torch, 2/35 6* meph for incinerate immune and a bunch of op God tier to 5/65 or 2/35; red mags, collosus, shulk, white mags (6*), guardian, doc oc, wolverine, domino, HB (6*), archangel, Morningstar (6*)... Plus others.
So, for my roster, no, he has no uses and for others with similar rosters, I would assume the same applies.
Where does he even make the C team in mine? I was being generous when I said he'd warm the bench in my team. Even if I 2/35 him, I'm not sure if he'd even warrant AW D for diversity..
So no, I don't think he holds a place in a moderately developed team, but agree he will have uses for new accounts or the really unlucky.
I’m looking at your roster ,
You could definitely use him on your roster. Where is your spidey evade counter ? Where is your power control champ? If you think he can’t serve a purpose in your roster , that is what is wrong with the game and expectations currently. If anything, he is one of the better options on your roster that can tackle everything , in fact he is one of your only decent counters to variant 6.
I will cut If you some slack because I see you have annulus ranked up as well as morning star, as far as I am concerned red goblin is better than Morningstar before 4 fights.
But I mean when you showed your roster I thought you were going to have everything covered, your roster is the roster that can benefit from him.
Evade; corvus with prox synergy, shulk, quake, torch, aegon ramped up. But genuinely, corvus, quake and shulk solve most evade challenges.
Power control, just 6*; g2099, HB, hawkeye and meph (to a degree). Plus doc oc, magik, dorm, voodoo at 4/55, waiting to take up. And of course, quake.
So again, what evade or power control scenario does he solve better than that lot? And what does he do in v6 that my other villans don't do better?
I'm not saying he's terrible, he's just middle of the road and not a top option for ranking up, for most people. He could hugely do with a tune up, as I would guess that most people who get him, will do what I do.
Leave him completely untouched.
Exactly what I was thinking.
For variant 6 you got annihilus for the easiest armor break/unstoppable cheese and omega red, morningstar and sentinel to handle everything else.
I'm in the same boat as you man (with a slightly bigger roster but no 6r3 yet). Red goblin is definitely not terrible, but once you have a developped roster with a ton of high ranked good champs he just doesn't make the cut. Even if I get him as a 6star duped I don't know if I'd take him to r2. I just got Cull out of the 6 star featured and I don't think I'm going to r2 him, if that gives any context.
When you love his playstyle and/or animations and/or character, the he's a solid option. When you don't he's just mediocre in my opinion.
But don't let my opinion withold you from ranking, playing and enjoying him!
I think with just a little buff of removing his Persistent Charges and having Frenzy always active from 65% Health and below or reducing the Charges to 3, Red Goblin would be one of the top Cosmic champs.
I agree, I think 3 would be much better than 5, especially given how if you lose a match, bye-bye persistent charge.
Just bring in Venom and you won't lose any charges.
That "Lose a Persistent Charge on KO" should really just be removed on Base, it adds nothing to the champion and he's not at the level to need a Limiter that annoying (not saying he's bad at all, just saying he isn't at Ægon or Colossus Ramp Up Level where it might be fair to have a punishment for losing a match)... What's worse is Originally it was 2 Charges lost on a KO, like how did they put So Many Limiters on this Champions and thought it was alright for Release?
I don't think it's fair to rate a champ based on how unique the abilities are. Yes he probably won't bring anything new to the table for endgame rosters other than some extremely niche uses or just how fun he is , but then again Endgame rosters will have the majority of good champs ranked up so, it's likely that most champs won't bring much to the table for them. By that logic, most champs will reduce their value significantly.
Majority of players don't have endgame rosters and for them, Red Goblin will be very useful since his kit does pack a lot under it- good damage and good utility. Yes his ramp-up can be a bit annoying and he might require the Venom synergy.
I am not saying he's rubbish, far from it. Just for my roster, he's near enough useless.
Just cosmic, I have 5/65 or 2/35 6*; hype, Medusa, annihilus, corvus (6*) and I have 2-3, 3-4 and 4-5 cosmic gem and CMM, Angela, cull as 5* to take up. I also have 5/65 torch, 2/35 6* meph for incinerate immune and a bunch of op God tier to 5/65 or 2/35; red mags, collosus, shulk, white mags (6*), guardian, doc oc, wolverine, domino, HB (6*), archangel, Morningstar (6*)... Plus others.
So, for my roster, no, he has no uses and for others with similar rosters, I would assume the same applies.
Where does he even make the C team in mine? I was being generous when I said he'd warm the bench in my team. Even if I 2/35 him, I'm not sure if he'd even warrant AW D for diversity..
So no, I don't think he holds a place in a moderately developed team, but agree he will have uses for new accounts or the really unlucky.
I’m looking at your roster ,
You could definitely use him on your roster. Where is your spidey evade counter ? Where is your power control champ? If you think he can’t serve a purpose in your roster , that is what is wrong with the game and expectations currently. If anything, he is one of the better options on your roster that can tackle everything , in fact he is one of your only decent counters to variant 6.
I will cut If you some slack because I see you have annulus ranked up as well as morning star, as far as I am concerned red goblin is better than Morningstar before 4 fights.
But I mean when you showed your roster I thought you were going to have everything covered, your roster is the roster that can benefit from him.
Evade; corvus with prox synergy, shulk, quake, torch, aegon ramped up. But genuinely, corvus, quake and shulk solve most evade challenges.
Power control, just 6*; g2099, HB, hawkeye and meph (to a degree). Plus doc oc, magik, dorm, voodoo at 4/55, waiting to take up. And of course, quake.
So again, what evade or power control scenario does he solve better than that lot? And what does he do in v6 that my other villans don't do better?
I'm not saying he's terrible, he's just middle of the road and not a top option for ranking up, for most people. He could hugely do with a tune up, as I would guess that most people who get him, will do what I do.
Leave him completely untouched.
Exactly what I was thinking.
For variant 6 you got annihilus for the easiest armor break/unstoppable cheese and omega red, morningstar and sentinel to handle everything else.
I'm in the same boat as you man (with a slightly bigger roster but no 6r3 yet). Red goblin is definitely not terrible, but once you have a developped roster with a ton of high ranked good champs he just doesn't make the cut. Even if I get him as a 6star duped I don't know if I'd take him to r2. I just got Cull out of the 6 star featured and I don't think I'm going to r2 him, if that gives any context.
When you love his playstyle and/or animations and/or character, the he's a solid option. When you don't he's just mediocre in my opinion.
But don't let my opinion withold you from ranking, playing and enjoying him!
He makes the cut , you just sleeping on him.
Allright I'll do the same as Moose, here's my roster. Also I have 7 t5b and 15 t2a just waiting on a little bit of glory to get the last t4b to r5 quake.
I will rank him up if he has a use for my roster or if I enjoy playing the champion. That's about the only reason I rank up a champ at this moment.
@IvarTheBoneless glad someone agrees. You're right, for v6, I have Omega, Morningstar, mephisto, sentinel, mojo, annihilus at 5/65 or 2/35 and doc oc, even vulture, red mags and a bunch of others at 4/55 or 1/25 that I can use for v6 issues that are better than him. Also sitting on a generic rank 1 to 2 6* gem, 6t5b and 18 t2a and he's not even remotely in consideration.
6*; hulkbuster is better and Morningstar (although already have her 5/65), white mags, even Heimdall I'd take up first. Let alone the 5* I want to max; red mags, collosus, wolverine, AA, voodoo, CMM.
Again, it's not that he's terrible, just that there are much better options for most cavaliers, let alone TBs.
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Your roster is nowhere near developed enough to say he doesn’t have a use in game , at your level.
I’ll give you the power control but do I see you really using hulk buster maybe . G99 definitely.
V6 you have annihilhus and omega from what I seen. He can definitely hold a spot in your roster and do very well. It’s crazy to me how you can say he is mid tier for a mid level player , when that is not true. I’m not saying he was a the top choice , but definitely not a bench warmer
Majority of players don't have endgame rosters and for them, Red Goblin will be very useful since his kit does pack a lot under it- good damage and good utility. Yes his ramp-up can be a bit annoying and he might require the Venom synergy.
I will rank him up if he has a use for my roster or if I enjoy playing the champion. That's about the only reason I rank up a champ at this moment.
6*; hulkbuster is better and Morningstar (although already have her 5/65), white mags, even Heimdall I'd take up first. Let alone the 5* I want to max; red mags, collosus, wolverine, AA, voodoo, CMM.
Again, it's not that he's terrible, just that there are much better options for most cavaliers, let alone TBs.