Isn’t Blackpanther supposed to be #metal?

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  • LibertyPrimeV1LibertyPrimeV1 Member Posts: 4,179 ★★★★★

    Iryse said:

    Kabam Logic
    Wolverine’s adamantium is metal
    BP’s vibranium is non metal

    Me: Bruh

    It's not Kabam logic, it's Marvel Universe logic actually ( not that Marvel's is well known for it consistency either though...)

    Anyway, according to Marvel lore Vibranium is not a metal in the same way Adamantium, Carbonadium, Steel, etc are. Magneto cant control it. That is why he has no effect over BP.

    And regarding Capt's shield, it is true that he should control it cuz although the shell is mostly Vibranium, it is not entirely. In MCU Iron Man 2 I think it appears as a sorta Vibranium skeleton. So yeah, that is why in the comic he can control it.

    However why then on the game Mags can't control Capt's shield? Where I guess they went with the " Well, it MOSTLY Vibranium..." Logic... and I am sorry to burst your bubble but I have to agree with this logic. Why u ask? Well it's very simple: because if they dont create their own artificial set of rules to balance the game then the game wouldnt be fun. Just imagine: any champ in the game that has a belt buckle, or a metal button, or a sword, or a gun, etc. will automatically need to be considered #metal . Can you imagine if Magneto could magnetize like 98% of the champs of the game? What would be the point of anyone ever even wanting to use a team other than Magnetos for everything???

    This arbitrary logic also does more good to the game that you have probably realized. Have you ever sat down to think through why, a skill champ like Hawkeye ( or DD or whomever) could ever think of having an advantage or standing a chance against Hulk? Under any circumstance in the MCU or comics Hulk would just squash him like a bug. DD would just be able to tickle him, if he's lucky. On the game though? Makes sense for balance purposes.

    So just be thankful that there is an arbitrary logic trying to keep things in check and stop just whining already.

    Sure , their logic doesn't always hit the mark on keeping things in balance, but still it's better to have it than just obsessively following Marvel Lore. If they did all you would need to win the game is to have ONE champ like Sentry, or Phoenix for example, that according to Marvel can literally just obliterate anything in existence if they wanted to.
    Cap's shield used to be adamantium, but Marvel retconned it to pure vibranium. So while in older comics Magneto could control it, he no longer does in newer comics.
    Also the reason he could control it in *Some* Older Comics was due to Simple Human Error, there were inconsistencies between different writers where in one Old Story he manipulated the Shield with no second thought but then in another Old Story he would specifically mention "Darn if only I could Manipulate Captain America's Shield..."
    Usually people followed the example of the Main Writer of X-Men at the time for the "canon" answer, who in his story wrote Magneto couldn't Manipulate the Shield.
  • LibertyPrimeV1LibertyPrimeV1 Member Posts: 4,179 ★★★★★
    Ace_03 said:

    Zura_1 said:

    3.5 -4 gm of iron in human body...😁😁




    To be fair he did fatally wound Jean Grey with an electromagnetic pulse that induced a massive stroke. Magneto can control the traces of iron within organic matter and can manipulate the iron-enriched blood-flow to one's brain to potentially induce very limited effects; such as the aforementioned stroke.

    Not that everyone should be #metal, just an interesting aspect of his abilities.
    That's like how Quake in the Comics could cause Mini Earthquakes in a Person's Brain, causing them to Hemorrhage usually ending Fatally...

    Love how Marvel always takes these seemingly One Note Characters then are like "No they can use their Powers in this hyper small way to just Absolutely Dominate You."
  • LibertyPrimeV1LibertyPrimeV1 Member Posts: 4,179 ★★★★★

    Ace_03 said:

    Zura_1 said:

    3.5 -4 gm of iron in human body...😁😁




    To be fair he did fatally wound Jean Grey with an electromagnetic pulse that induced a massive stroke. Magneto can control the traces of iron within organic matter and can manipulate the iron-enriched blood-flow to one's brain to potentially induce very limited effects; such as the aforementioned stroke.

    Not that everyone should be #metal, just an interesting aspect of his abilities.
    That's like how Quake in the Comics could cause Mini Earthquakes in a Person's Brain, causing them to Hemorrhage usually ending Fatally...

    Love how Marvel always takes these seemingly One Note Characters then are like "No they can use their Powers in this hyper small way to just Absolutely Dominate You."
    Another example is Iceman "Oh the guy can create Ice, no actually he Stops the Movement of Molecules which means there's No Friction to Create Heat and therefore causes Cold."
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 20,042 Guardian

    ItsDamien said:


    Vision AoU is a Vibranium Alloy. Meaning there's other metals mixed in.

    BP and KM are using pure Vibranium. No other metals mixed in.


    Well yeah, but not all of his body is made from vibranium as far as I know, parts of his body is made from regular metals, whereas with Black Panther, his whole suit is from vibranium

    where did you get these infos? i've watched the movie al least twenty times, and i don't remember a scene in which it was revealed that it wasn't pure ^^"
    My recollection is it was implied that Vision's body was an amalgam of Vibranium and synthetic tissue, because the body was created with the same technology used to repair Hawkeye when he was injured early in the movie.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 20,042 Guardian
    Zura_1 said:

    3.5 -4 gm of iron in human body...😁😁

    Actually, the iron in human bodies isn't magnetic (in the sense people usually think of magnetism).

    Magnetism, or specifically ferromagnetism, is not a property of iron atoms. It is a property of iron crystals. A chunk of iron can become ferromagnetic and respond strongly to an external magnetic field. Iron atoms scattered in large molecules like the iron in hemoglobin are not ferromagnetic and would not respond strongly to an external magnetic field because the iron is not all in one spot to self-align.

    If Magneto tried to apply a magnetic field and lift someone using the iron in their blood, before the magnetic field strength was high enough to do that it would be high enough to strip the electrons from their body and cause it to spontaneously explode. The comics got this one wrong. The movie X2 did better: they had Mystique inject tiny metal particles into the guard, and it was those particles that Magneto could manipulate magnetically. They were small enough and widely dispersed in the guard's body to not trip the metal detector, but would still respond to Magneto.

    Magnetic metals have a property (or one of several related properties) where the atoms in the metal will align themselves with an external magnetic field. Each atom acts like an extremely tiny weak magnet but when those magnetic fields are randomly jumbled up there's basically no net magnetism. When they align, they form their own strong (relatively) magnetic field that can then interact with other magnetic fields, attracting or repelling other magnets. Some metals don't respond this way, or don't do so except under extremely strong magnetic fields. Presumably, that's the property of Vibranium that makes it immune to Magneto. Vibranium atoms are probably locked so tightly in the Vibranium metal's structure that no amount of outside magnetic force will cause them to align themselves. Without that happening, Magneto's magnetic powers have nothing to "push" against to manipulate Vibranium.
  • SpideyFunkoSpideyFunko Member Posts: 21,961 ★★★★★

    ItsDamien said:


    Vision AoU is a Vibranium Alloy. Meaning there's other metals mixed in.

    BP and KM are using pure Vibranium. No other metals mixed in.


    Well yeah, but not all of his body is made from vibranium as far as I know, parts of his body is made from regular metals, whereas with Black Panther, his whole suit is from vibranium

    where did you get these infos? i've watched the movie al least twenty times, and i don't remember a scene in which it was revealed that it wasn't pure ^^"

    i also want to add that in the AoU film the vibranium was found and managed into particular contaniers, probably because the vibranium was still at his raw state (in the BP movie it was said that vibranium in his raw state is too instable to be transported without precautions), so i still think that vision wouldn't be detected nor stopped by magneto ^^
    He also has synthetic tissue as well
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